19 year old HS player declaring for NBA draft..

[fishwater99]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15127862/five-star-f-thon-maker-plans-declare-draft

I don't see why they would allow him to enter. Is he planing to sue if he isn't allowed to enter the draft?

The NBA needs to have the same rules as MLB for the draft. Out of HS or 3 years..

 

[57stratdawg]

I don't think the NBA will ever go for HS/3 years. That works well in baseball because they can stick a kid in the minors to develop him for several years.

The NBA doesn't have that. Also, this rule is design to protect NBA teams. They want another year for players to prove themselves. I think our best bet is to make it 2 years out of HS.

 

[patdog]

Yeah. I think 2 years is the best we could hope for. Really, I'd be fine with either 2 years or go back to letting kids go pro right out of high school. One and done is ******** and terrible for college basketball.

 

[aTotal360]

I disagree. Let the market dictate who can and cannot go. IMO, the 1 and done rule is a mockery of college athletics. It's not like those guys are student athletes. If you want to go out of HS, then you should be able to go. If you want to go after your sophomore season, then go. Same with football and baseball.

Unfortunately this argument hinges on whether you like college or pro sports the most. I'll openly admit that I like pro sports more than college ones.

 

[futaba.79]

Thomas Jefferson says..........

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed bytheir Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuitof Happiness"

 

[57stratdawg]

I think I'd be fine with 2 years too. That's at least 3 semesters of keeping your head above water from an academic standpoint. Maybe more depending on summer school.

Right now, with one and done, there's basically no way for a kid to end up academically ineligible. Most of them don't care about class after Christmas anyway.

 

[codeDawg]

He's got a decent argument (depending on the particulars), but the NBA risks a slippery slope of opening up edge cases and loop holes by allowing it.

 

[aTotal360]

Why should anyone have to keep their "head above water" for 3 semesters to go to the NBA? Is this some sort of right of passage? Seems pointless.

 

[57stratdawg]

Youre confusing the issues. The NCAA isn't the one deciding when a player is eligible for the NBA draft.

 

[aTotal360]

I get that. Heck , the one and done was a compromise by the NBA to the NCAA and themselves. The NBA thinks it doing teams a favor by making kids supposedly attend class for a semester and a half. I just think it's pointless. To me, the discussion behind kids staying in school vs success is it's just a politically correct excuse with little basis. A HS knucklehead will be a one and done knucklehead or a 4 year knucklehead. Talking heads want to elevate Tim Duncan and Steph Curry because they did it. Those guys are successful because they are good at what they do and are capable of making sound decisions.

 

[121Josey]

I disagree. Let the market dictate who can and cannot go.

Absolutely. Let's get rid of the collective bargaining agreement and let the market decide everything in the NBA. Maybe the Knicks could finally buy a championship.**

 

[johnson86-1]

I get that. Heck , the one and done was a compromise by the NBA to the NCAA and themselves. The NBA thinks it doing teams a favor by making kids supposedly attend class for a semester and a half. I just think it's pointless. To me, the discussion behind kids staying in school vs success is it's just a politically correct excuse with little basis. A HS knucklehead will be a one and done knucklehead or a 4 year knucklehead. Talking heads want to elevate Tim Duncan and Steph Curry because they did it. Those guys are successful because they are good at what they do and are capable of making sound decisions.

The NBA (correctly) thinks that they are protecting their teams from bad investments by ensuring that, barring injury, GMs get to see each prospect play against good competition for at least one year. Not sure if the NBA really cares beyond that. If kids stay in school longer, that helps develop a following for the NBA. But they probably don't want people like Lebron James or Kevin Durant playing college for 3 years when they can be a star for the NBA immediately.

 

[57stratdawg]

I don't think the NBA is too concerned with attending class, they're just wanting potential draftees to prove themselves on the against the highest level of competion possible. Quite frankly, Malik Newman comes to mind.

I'm just saying two years helps preserve a little bit of the "student athlete" functionality much more than just one year. Seems like a little bit of a win-win to me.

 

[patdog]

The NBA (correctly) thinks that they are protecting their teams from bad investments by ensuring that, barring injury, GMs get to see each prospect play against good competition for at least one year. Not sure if the NBA really cares beyond that.

They don't. The one-and-done rule is all about the NBA finding a way to actually see prospects play at a higher level than HS or AAU ball so they don't shell out millions for a complete bust as often. Sure, it would be great for the colleges if players had to stay for 2 or 3 years, but there's not benefit to the NBA in a 2 or 3 year rule, and that's why we have the rule we have.

 

[mstateglfr]

Why should anyone have to keep their "head above water" for 3 semesters to go to the NBA? Is this some sort of right of passage? Seems pointless.

They dont have to keep their head above water for 3 semesters. They need to keep their head above water for 2. And thats only those who CHOOSE to attend college. They could instead play in the DLeague right out of high school if they want.
Starkville's own Latavious Williams did this very thing a few years ago. Went from a prep school straight to the DLeague. Played 1 season in the DLeague and was then drafted.

 

[mstateglfr]

Interesting issue and strategy for fighting the rule.

Maker has been a known product for 4+ years now and it was very well documented that he was considering going to college last season. But he didnt. Had he, then he would have graduated and been good to go.
Instead, he continued to take classes which meant he was not 1 year removed from high school.
Seems pretty clear.

Even if he can show that he could have graduated earlier, he chose to not.

 

[fishwater99]

Interesting issue and strategy for fighting the rule.

Maker has been a known product for 4+ years now and it was very well documented that he was considering going to college last season. But he didnt. Had he, then he would have graduated and been good to go.
Instead, he continued to take classes which meant he was not 1 year removed from high school.
Seems pretty clear.

Even if he can show that he could have graduated earlier, he chose to not.

This.

 

[patdog]

Looks to me like he's afraid of the competition he'd see in college. NBA should make a pretty quick ruling on this. Like you say, maybe he could have graduated last year. But he didn't.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

Perhaps he and his handlers are smart enough to look at where he projects now vs where he might project if he underperforms in his one year of college. It happens.

 

[patdog]

Of course that's what they're trying to do. If I were an NBA GM, that fact by itself would move him down at least a little on my draft board.

 

[mstateglfr]

Looks to me like he's afraid of the competition he'd see in college. NBA should make a pretty quick ruling on this. Like you say, maybe he could have graduated last year. But he didn't.

I guess thats possible. He is a well traveled talent who has consistently gone up against the best in his class(and others) over the last 4 years while improving his strength and expanding his skill set. He hasnt shown to be afraid up to now though.

 

[patdog]

Playing AAU against HS kids is not the same as playing college ball. Some kids look great against the best AAU has to offer, but not so great when they take that step up to major college basketball.

 

[shotgunDawg]

The discussion really boils down to two things:

1. The NBA doesn't want to shell out millions to complete busts

2. There are only so many roster spots available on NBA rosters. Those final few spots can either go to an 18 year old or to a 35 year old vet. Which do you think the NBA would rather have in those spots? Which one is less likely to embarrass the league? NBA coaches don't want to be baby sitters

 

[mstateglfr]

Playing AAU against HS kids is not the same as playing college ball. Some kids look great against the best AAU has to offer, but not so great when they take that step up to major college basketball.

No disagreement.
Skal Labissiere comes to mind since he just declared and he was, for all intents and purposes, worth less than a replacement player for UK this year.


Again though, Maker has consistently played against top talent. And thats not just in AAU games. The odds are, in my mind, much better that he wouldnt be a bust in college. Though with how overly critical fans and writers are, an elite recruit can average 12ppg and 8rpg and be called a disappointment and overrated. So who knows.

 

[patdog]

I'm not saying he would be a bust. I don't have a clue if he would be or not. But I do think he's a little scared he would hurt his draft stock if he played at that level of competition. And, if I were an NBA GM, that fact alone would drop my evaluation of him a little. That's all I'm saying.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

Skal and Diallo, and Simmons to some extent, are examples A, B and C if the stupidity of one and done. Skal and Diallo couldn't even secure consistent spots in the rotation, yet they are likely first round picks.

 

[olblue.sixpack]

Looks to me like he's afraid of the competition he'd see in college.

Yeah. I'm sure that's it.

 

[olblue.sixpack]

Perhaps he and his handlers are smart enough to look at where he projects now vs where he might project if he underperforms in his one year of college. It happens.

It happens all of the time which is why a kid should almost always go as quickly as they possibly can. Scouts are more likely to find things they don't like about a player's game than things they do like the more they see him play. For every Buddy Hield, there are the three that you mentioned, the Malik Newmans, and the Harrison twins. Even if Simmons goes #1, does anybody believe he is as highly thought of now as he was this time last year?