1970 Vietnam Draft chart....

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I could write a book about that December '69 night. I was a SR. UK had a hoops game the night of the draft. Against whom? Beats me.

We did have portable radios then. Periodically, regardless of what was going on with the game, somebody would stand up & scream "MF SOB" at the top of their lungs. Also a few loud cheers & dancing. I was oblivious & watched the game & didn't find out my # - 298 - for a couple of hours. After game was walking past a dorm & there was broken glass with a TV in the middle of it. Looked up & there was a broken window.
 

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Graduated HS in 1970. Went to 2 yr community college that fall and remember I had a really high number but a guy in school there was number 1. Don't remember him there the next semester, always wondered if went to Vietnam or what happened to him.
 

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I could write a book about that December '69 night. I was a SR. UK had a hoops game the night of the draft. Against whom? Beats me.

We did have portable radios then. Periodically, regardless of what was going on with the game, somebody would stand up & scream "MF SOB" at the top of their lungs. Also a few loud cheers & dancing. I was oblivious & watched the game & didn't find out my # - 298 - for a couple of hours. After game was walking past a dorm & there was broken glass with a TV in the middle of it. Looked up & there was a broken window.
Great story. Would love to hear more when you have time. Same goes for all those who've shared stories about that era.

I got this from the main board and there were lots of stories about guys going out drinking and listening to the number draw and their buddies that got lower numbers getting trashed.
 
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Trivia for those draftees who may remember. When I received my letter from DoD stating 1-A go condition status (your *** is theirs) under the letters DoD letterhead it began with "Greetings" That stuck with me as being kinda funny and never forgotten it
 

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I turned 18 in in the fall of '72. I was still in HS, but knew I was gonna be drafted as soon as I graduated in '73 because my draft number was 023. The middle of January, I went down to the recruiting office and they told me I needed to enlist right then so I could get a better pick of jobs when I graduated in May. I told them I would take a couple of weeks to decide what I wanted to do. During that two weeks, Nixon stopped the draft. I went down to the recruiting office and asked what my options were. They informed that I had none because they weren't taking any recruits since the military would be downsizing. I had mixed emotions. My brothers was winding up his stint in the Army and I wanted to experience some things he had. On the other hand, I wanted to get a job and help my Mother and my younger siblings and that's what I did.

That's an incredible story. Nixon changed your life firsthand. Pretty crazy to think about it.

How do you view it now that you look back? Thankful or regret?
 
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I think you should have had to be in the military in order to be president of this country. That would crack down on elite puffs running us.

i know most kids at 18 don't have a clue what they want. but if this were true, it would make anyone who has true political aspirations to be forced to join and serve. that couldn't ever be a bad thing.
 
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This might have already been answered and I missed it. For those that were draft eligible at the time or listened to the drawing - did they announce it by date and then say the corresponding number or vice versa?
 

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Wesley Clark may have served honorably but his post-service record is not stellar in my opinion. Not a fan, but not a fan of Trump either. (Or Hillary.)

If you said McRaven, or Petreus, or several others they'd get the nod over Trump. But Clark ain't one of them.
 

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This might have already been answered and I missed it. For those that were draft eligible at the time or listened to the drawing - did they announce it by date and then say the corresponding number or vice versa?

I don't remember how it went exactly.

Following is from wikipedia: (I think the draft that applied to me was later -- early 1972.)

The days of the year (including February 29) were represented by the numbers 1 through 366 written on slips of paper. The slips were placed in separate plastic capsules that were mixed in a shoebox and then dumped into a deep glass jar. Capsules were drawn from the jar one at a time.

The first number drawn was 258 (September 14), so all registrants with that birthday were assigned lottery number 1. The second number drawn corresponded to April 24, and so forth. All men of draft age (born 1944 to 1950) who shared a birthdate would be called to serve at once. The first 195 birthdates drawn were later called to serve in the order they were drawn; the last of these was September 24.[1]

Also on December 1, 1969, a second lottery was held, with the 26 letters of the alphabet. Among men with the same birthdate, the order of induction was determined by the permutation ranks of the first letters of their last, first, and middle names.[2] Anyone with initials "JJJ" would have been first within the shared birthdate, followed by "JGJ", "JDJ", and "JXJ"; anyone with initials "VVV" would have been last.[3]

People soon noticed that the lottery numbers were not distributed uniformly over the year. In particular, November and December births, or dates 306 to 366, were assigned mainly to lower draft numbers representing earlier calls to serve (see figure). This led to complaints that the lottery was not random as the legislation required. Analysis of the procedure suggested that mixing 366 capsules in the shoe box did not mix them sufficiently before dumping them into the jar. ("The capsules were put in a box month by month, January through December, and subsequent mixing efforts were insufficient to overcome this sequencing.")[2] Only five days in December—Dec. 2, 12, 15, 17 and 19—were higher than the last call number of 195; had the days been evenly distributed, 14 days in December would have been expected to remain uncalled. From January to December, the rank of the average draft pick numbers were 5 4 1 3 2 6 8 9 10 7 11 12. A Monte Carlo simulation found that the probability of a random order of months being this close to the 1–12 sequence expected for unsorted slips was 0.09%.[4]

Draft lotteries were conducted again in 1971 (for those born in 1952) and 1972 to 1976 (for 1953 to 1956 births). The draft numbers issued in 1972 were never used to call for induction into service, because the last call was December 7 and authority to induct expired June 30, 1973.

The 1972 to 1975 lottery numbers were used to call some men born 1953 to 1956 for physical exams. The highest number called for a physical was 215 (for tables 1970 through 1976).[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_lottery_(1969)#cite_note-SSS-3
 

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Spooky stuff for sure. Looking at lotteries for the different years for me, my brothers and dad: some years a few of us would have been drafted, at least one year, all of us would have been drafted (not counting exemptions etc...).

Something I've always been curious about is that my dad never got drafted. He was born in 1944. He had an brother 2 yrs older and one two years younger. His younger brother eventually got drafted and sent to Germany. None of them attended college and were from a poor family. They all had their first child ~1966-1967. Is it possible that dad'd family got some kind of favor from the draft board?
 

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Interesting Vietnam War facts:

2/3 of soldiers were volunteers.

Vietnam Vets represent only 9.7% of their generation.

http://www.uswings.com/about-us-wings/vietnam-war-facts/

I find your inclusion of the word "only" to be remarkably disingenuous. Astonishing the things people are offended by in present day. You can't open a door for a lady in your workplace without risk of being charged for sexual harassment. So to verbalize that virtually 10% of a generation sent to war, any war, in a way to make that number appear minimal or insignificant is quite simply the most offensive thing I've ever read on this message board. The fact sheet you linked presented that statistic for it's remarkable value. Yet you consciously chose to re-craft it in a manner to tilt it in the direction of insignificance. Almost 3 million Americans served in SE Asia. Almost 60 thousand of them died - more than 1/2 of those never reached the age 21. An additional 75 thousand left severely disabled and in many of those cases left severely disfigured.

Another statistic that needs to be mentioned on behalf of this "only 9.7 percent," and perhaps there are persons reading with more knowledge on the matter, but to the best of my understanding, depending on what resource may be referenced, anywhere from between 1200 to as much as maybe 1700 servicemen remain missing in action in SE Asia.
 

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My father was enrolled at a small college.....played football and baseball. Wanted to be a meteorologist. But scholarships weren't like they are now.....and, of course, parents weren't as financially supportive. He had to dropout due to financial purposes and that's when he went to Vietnam. He was a ground pounder in the Army. Designated marksman who carried the M14. Was over there for several yrs. Finally decided to take a transfer. Came home for a 2 wk break, married my mom, sold everything off, then went to Panama to guard the canal and serve as an assistant to a low ranking officer....driving his jeep, stuff like that.

Mostly he won't talk about it. We think he's blocked a lot of it out. Occasionally we will get a story or two but most of the time it is about training, his time with momma in Panama, or coming home.

Coming home is a story that still infuriates him to this day. He flew into California, then to Texas, then took a train to Michigan. When the plane stopped in California the flight attendants held the soldiers back and said, "we will let you off in a minute. Please feel free to change out of your uniforms. We recommend you change out of your uniforms." Most of them didn't.....heck most of them didn't have anything else to wear. As they stepped off they were treated to a storm of eggs and cursing.

My father's words, "In Nam we huddled together to dodge bullets, explosives, and people who wanted us dead. When we got home we huddled together to dodge eggs, expletives, and people who wanted to shame us."

He went to the bathroom to change/wash his uniform. By the time he got to Texas.....and met up with momma's family things got better. They held a parade for him an 2 others that returned home. They also gave them 1 natural gas well each....presented from the town. Uncle Don bought him a suit so that he could travel to Michigan and marry my mom in.....but my dad wore his uniform on that train ride home. Wore it in the wedding as well. He's never been back to California.
 
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Mostly he won't talk about it. We think he's blocked a lot of it out. Occasionally we will get a story or two but most of the time it is about training, his time with momma in Panama, or coming home.

A different generation, but my father served in Korea. He would never talk about his time there with us, but if he came across someone who had also been there, it was time to pull up a chair. The flood gates would open.
 
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I find your inclusion of the word "only" to be remarkably disingenuous. Astonishing the things people are offended by in present day. You can't open a door for a lady in your workplace without risk of being charged for sexual harassment. So to verbalize that virtually 10% of a generation sent to war, any war, in a way to make that number appear minimal or insignificant is quite simply the most offensive thing I've ever read on this message board. The fact sheet you linked presented that statistic for it's remarkable value. Yet you consciously chose to re-craft it in a manner to tilt it in the direction of insignificance. Almost 3 million Americans served in SE Asia. Almost 60 thousand of them died - more than 1/2 of those never reached the age 21. An additional 75 thousand left severely disabled and in many of those cases left severely disfigured.

Another statistic that needs to be mentioned on behalf of this "only 9.7 percent," and perhaps there are persons reading with more knowledge on the matter, but to the best of my understanding, depending on what resource may be referenced, anywhere from between 1200 to as much as maybe 1700 servicemen remain missing in action in SE Asia.

Wow, you are reading an awful lot into one word. My father and many of his friends served in Vietnam. All I meant by "only" was that I would have expected the figure to be higher given the sample of men that I know who served and the long duration of the war. For you find that one word to be "the most offensive thing that you ever read on an message board" is just plain stupid and says more about you than me.
 
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People interested generally in the era of the early 1970s -- and it was a hell of a time, even for those of us a bit too young for Vietnam -- might enjoy the series Quarry on Cinemax.

Its about a guy who comes home from Vietnam into 1970s Memphis and ends up embroiled in contract killing. What they do well is capture the atmospherics of the time -- the music, the cars, the cultural iconography -- along with some decent T&A.

Great show so far..
 

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A different generation, but my father served in Korea. He would never talk about his time there with us, but if he came across someone who had also been there, it was time to pull up a chair. The flood gates would open.

I completely understand. About 20 yr's ago we (the family w/o dad) were talking about him. We were talking about how he never talks about his time in the war and what we could do "to help him." Momma called Uncle Pete. Uncle Pete was a member of our church.....not a family member.....everyone just calls him Uncle.....retired special forces. He wasn't afraid to talk about any of his experiences. Being career military he was about as rough around the edges as a man could get but also about as great of guy that you'd find. This is a guy who had seen some serious ****.....Korea, Nam, etc. As Pacino said in Scent of A Woman....."I've been around you know?!" In his retirement he spent time hanging out at the VA.

He asked, what's wrong with him? Momma mentioned about how he sometimes wakes up at night in a cold shivering sweat. And how one time he let momma drive on vacation (one of the only times)....he fell asleep.....while at a gas station a car near us backfired.....he awoke, ducked down in the seat, shivering, instant sweat. And how he won't talk to anyone about it......probably has blocked it out. Pete said, "is he violent? Is he a good father? Is he a good provider? Is he a good man? Does he do drugs or alcohol?" Momma said no. "Then it sounds like he's doing just fine coping with what he went through. Just leave it be."

So, we let it be.
 

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A cool story.

I was in my early 20s and my friends and I were really into paintball. We mostly just pick places to play around the farm. One day we got a bunch of us together. We had enough for 4 on 5. We had just made a switch from pump guns to semi-auto. So, we left our pump guns behind at the house. You can already see where this is going, can't you?

We were playing in a mess of mature maple trees (not a pine in sight). One team (team of 4) was hunkered down in a small ravine. The other was advancing on their position. Then all hell broke loose. All of the sudden 2 of the advancing team were shot out.....and 1 in the other team......this occurred before we realized who was doing the shooting. My mid 50 yr old dad snuck up on 9 20-something yr olds to about 15-20 yds without them knowing. Shot a total of 3 with a pump paintball gun before we saw him and lit him up.

I was one of the 2 on the advancing team that he eliminated. I joked and said, "Well hell, daddy, I'd thought a wiley veteran like you would get more than 3 of us?"

He joked back, "I'm ashamed that my son would be the first one shot on his home field."

We all talked a bit more (since he brought us out a mess of Gatorades) but then as my dad was walking away he said, "By the way. In that ditch up there where y'all were hiding lays a pine cone that I used as my grenade....."

He wasn't joking. This was a mess of maple trees and there weren't any pines around. He would've killed 2 more guys in the ditch.
 

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Trivia for those draftees who may remember. When I received my letter from DoD stating 1-A go condition status (your *** is theirs) under the letters DoD letterhead it began with "Greetings" That stuck with me as being kinda funny and never forgotten it


I remember that "greetings" header. I graduated in May 1969. I was 18 and they started not drafting till you turned 19. I turned 19 on January 6th and was in Louisville on January 10th being examined. Lol
 
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Yep. Bernie Sanders' free college crowd should have to serve/get drafted before cashing in on the free college education.

They can't emotionally handle the mention of certain trigger words. Don't think I want them on the front lines.

"OMG WHY DID THAT GUY JUST SHOOT AT ME? WHERE IS MY EMOTIONAL SAFE SPACE??"
 
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That's really when our presidential candidates turned to crap. Now we're stuck with special interest puppets who've done nothing their whole life besides run for the next office.
I think congress took a serious turn for the worse, too

It's much easier to be unproductive, histrionic drama queens when you weren't crawling thru the mud with the congressman seated across the aisle from you
 
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Wow, I would have been in the 001 as well.
Man, most of us were lucky to be born when we were. This really hits home for me because I would have been in group 001 based on a random draw. Read where most stopped in the 100's so if you got a high number then you got lucky. Would be interested to hear any stories from older folks here that might have gone through it. What number would you be?