1st and 10 on ESPN just had a debate about MSU.
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Outside of the SEC Tournament, there were maybe three or four times all year where I thought we could make a run in the NCAAs. Road win at UM which at the time looked good but turned out to be so-so, OT loss to UK because I knew once we were outside of the SEC some of the calls would even out, at South Carolina because we played a pretty complete game that night, and maybe at UCLA just because they are a marquee name and we pounded them. Seriously, there was not one other game those where we actually looked like anything more than an NIT team. Bottom line, we got what we deserved. Minnesota and Florida deserved the NIT too, but someone had to get lucky.
When the media is saying that your team was actually good. Its pretty confusing.<div>
</div><div>Ive seen fan bases rip the media for saying their team sucks, but the reverse is pretty rare.</div><div>
</div><div>I guess you could start boycotting 1st & 10 for saying MSU was good? Maybe put a petition together that bulldog fans could sign saying that until ESPN says MSU sucks in basketball, MSU fans won't be watching. </div><div>
</div><div>Maybe you could call the products that advertise on ESPN, let them know that MSU fans aren't thrilled with the way their team is being treated by ESPN, telling the country that MSU deserved an at large bid, and in fact could have made a tourney run. Those Yankee Bastards.</div><div>
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</div><div>Ive seen fan bases rip the media for saying their team sucks, but the reverse is pretty rare.</div><div>
</div><div>I guess you could start boycotting 1st & 10 for saying MSU was good? Maybe put a petition together that bulldog fans could sign saying that until ESPN says MSU sucks in basketball, MSU fans won't be watching. </div><div>
</div><div>Maybe you could call the products that advertise on ESPN, let them know that MSU fans aren't thrilled with the way their team is being treated by ESPN, telling the country that MSU deserved an at large bid, and in fact could have made a tourney run. Those Yankee Bastards.</div><div>
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We were very good all year. Coming from behind to nip UGA at home - that was incredible. The way we broke LSU's heart in Baton Rouge with that last second three just when they thought they were going to get their first win.....priceless. Teasing Auburn with that home overtime game - had 'em all the way. The highlight had to be those last two games of the regular season. Complete domination everywhere except the scoreboard. We'll get em next time!
Was a direct result of four coaches - Anthony Grant, Trent Johnson, John Pelphrey, and Andy Kennedy all coaching like crap this year.<div>
</div><div>If Bama could learn how to play with a lead, and if LSU could have learned how to recruit players in your first year on the job, and if Pelphrey could learn how to coach a damn talented UPIG team, and if AK could stop blaming the fans, players, and administration for one second, and design an offensive play that didn't resemble 5 guys trying to not step inside the 3 point line, then maybe MSU SOS wouldn't have been terrible.</div><div>
</div><div>Of course C34 has actually complemented all four of these coaches, and has insinuated that all four of these guys do a better job than Stans, if not come right out and say it.</div><div>
</div><div>If these guys could have coached a lick, MSU's SOS would have been higher. Unfortunately they were all terrible.</div>
</div><div>If Bama could learn how to play with a lead, and if LSU could have learned how to recruit players in your first year on the job, and if Pelphrey could learn how to coach a damn talented UPIG team, and if AK could stop blaming the fans, players, and administration for one second, and design an offensive play that didn't resemble 5 guys trying to not step inside the 3 point line, then maybe MSU SOS wouldn't have been terrible.</div><div>
</div><div>Of course C34 has actually complemented all four of these coaches, and has insinuated that all four of these guys do a better job than Stans, if not come right out and say it.</div><div>
</div><div>If these guys could have coached a lick, MSU's SOS would have been higher. Unfortunately they were all terrible.</div>
I think it was that MSU was more deserving than some at large teams, and I would have to agree with them.<div>
</div><div>I watched Minnesota this year, and they were not very good. They got hot at the right time, and then got thumped by OSU. </div><div>
</div><div>Saying that MSU could have made a run as an 11 or 12 seed is not really stretching it by any means. MSU has the kind of team that can hang with some 4-5 seeds. </div><div>
</div><div>MSU has talent and can get hot and be a handful for several teams in the tourney due to their athleticism and ability to shoot 3s. </div><div>
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</div><div>I watched Minnesota this year, and they were not very good. They got hot at the right time, and then got thumped by OSU. </div><div>
</div><div>Saying that MSU could have made a run as an 11 or 12 seed is not really stretching it by any means. MSU has the kind of team that can hang with some 4-5 seeds. </div><div>
</div><div>MSU has talent and can get hot and be a handful for several teams in the tourney due to their athleticism and ability to shoot 3s. </div><div>
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The reason you're not in the tourney though is because you failed to reach taht ceiling more than a few times during the year and when you played poorly, you took some really bad losses.
If you had your Kentucky effort more often, you wouldn't have even been on the bubble. You'd have been a lock.
And you're right about Kennedy, he did a really poor job. We had a higher ceiling based on talent, but we rarely showed it because he had no clue how to get his team together. We played like a disjointed mess, and we could never get 5 guys pulling in the same direction at once. Stans did get that out of his team a few times. There were just some other times when you played like a CBI team.
If you had your Kentucky effort more often, you wouldn't have even been on the bubble. You'd have been a lock.
And you're right about Kennedy, he did a really poor job. We had a higher ceiling based on talent, but we rarely showed it because he had no clue how to get his team together. We played like a disjointed mess, and we could never get 5 guys pulling in the same direction at once. Stans did get that out of his team a few times. There were just some other times when you played like a CBI team.
Mississippi had the 6th best talent in the SEC at the very best (I'd still rather have Auburn's team than Mississippi's) and guess where you guys finished? A 3-way tie for 4th. Not sure what he was supposed to do other than what he did. He does need to recruit just a little better and get you guys a post player. Kennedy is coaching at the worst SEC basketball school and it takes some time to make **** prettier.
Pelphrey? Suspensions, injuries, and the like killed anything they could have done this year. Yes, that falls on him and he has to get them back on track. He is responsible, but don't act like it was an ordinary year for them.
Grant? The man coach- we'll see if he can recruit. Bammer needs better players
Johnson? Got to do a better job of rebuilding and getting players on campus. But coaching isn't one of his problems.
Our SOS is weak because of alot of our opponents OOC, but definitely the West needs to get better.
Pelphrey? Suspensions, injuries, and the like killed anything they could have done this year. Yes, that falls on him and he has to get them back on track. He is responsible, but don't act like it was an ordinary year for them.
Grant? The man coach- we'll see if he can recruit. Bammer needs better players
Johnson? Got to do a better job of rebuilding and getting players on campus. But coaching isn't one of his problems.
Our SOS is weak because of alot of our opponents OOC, but definitely the West needs to get better.
6 starters returning
2 subs that are Jr's
school's all-time 3 point shooter
one of the nation's best 3 pt shooter's
NCAA all-time blocks leader averaging a double-double every night
Other than injuries to a turnover prone back-up PG and and a below average post player- I'd like to hear some excuses for not making the Tourney
2 subs that are Jr's
school's all-time 3 point shooter
one of the nation's best 3 pt shooter's
NCAA all-time blocks leader averaging a double-double every night
Other than injuries to a turnover prone back-up PG and and a below average post player- I'd like to hear some excuses for not making the Tourney
for our coach as you do for the other SECW coaches, then you wouldn't have to ask this question 17tard.
unfreakingbelievable. what a douche.
unfreakingbelievable. what a douche.
Its ok, just say that. SourReb just doesn't like Bianco, some people have personal preferences. You dislike Stans, that is fine. You seem to like Pelphrey, AK, Trent Johnson, and Grant. Results be damned.<div>
</div><div>I posted about the myth of Trent Johnson last week, I've posted about Pelphrey being a joke, and now you are left with the fact that AK can't expect to win at OM they have the worst facilities in the SEC?</div><div>
</div><div>You know who you sound like? Ron Polk? Poor old AK can expect to win at OM because their facilities suck, just like MSU couldn't compete with UGA and FL because of the hope scholarship. What does that have to do with leaving a pitcher in too long or the fact that your offense involves 4 guys watching and one guy dribbling? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! An offensive system is about coaching not personnel. That is why Texas Tech got to the sweet sixteen with Bobby Knight (I think in his third season), because his offense can work if the players execute.</div><div>
</div><div>Is Stans perfect? Of course not, but to try and argue that he isn't the best coach in the West is laughable. </div><div>
</div><div>By the way Pelphrey's overall record the last two years is 28-34. In 2008 they won 14 games and in 2009 they won 14 games, so I would say it was an ordinary Pelphrey year. </div>
</div><div>I posted about the myth of Trent Johnson last week, I've posted about Pelphrey being a joke, and now you are left with the fact that AK can't expect to win at OM they have the worst facilities in the SEC?</div><div>
</div><div>You know who you sound like? Ron Polk? Poor old AK can expect to win at OM because their facilities suck, just like MSU couldn't compete with UGA and FL because of the hope scholarship. What does that have to do with leaving a pitcher in too long or the fact that your offense involves 4 guys watching and one guy dribbling? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! An offensive system is about coaching not personnel. That is why Texas Tech got to the sweet sixteen with Bobby Knight (I think in his third season), because his offense can work if the players execute.</div><div>
</div><div>Is Stans perfect? Of course not, but to try and argue that he isn't the best coach in the West is laughable. </div><div>
</div><div>By the way Pelphrey's overall record the last two years is 28-34. In 2008 they won 14 games and in 2009 they won 14 games, so I would say it was an ordinary Pelphrey year. </div>
He doesn't understand, you know the NCAA screwed us, it's not Stans fault. It's a conspiracy. Stans needs to realize that he has failed as a coach this year. Yes, we played three good games in the SEC Tourney, but what about the two before, losses @ Auburn and to Tenn. What about those early OOC losses to Rider, Richmond and WKU and losses at Bama and Ark. You have to win the games you are supposed to win, he will never get it... We had top 25 talent on the floor, just not top 25 talent coaching from the bench... Wonder how we will fair against UNC in Vegas...
nobody in their right minds thinks Mississippi has better than the 6th best talent in the SEC. Personally, I think it's 7th behind Auburn's.
What was Kennedy supposed to do any better than finish is a 3-way tie for 4th?
Results? OK
Johnson won the SEC in his 1st season. He now has 10 more years to win another and pass Stansbury
Pelphrey went to the NCAA's once in his first 3 seasons as coach- Stansbury didnt
Grant? One year at Bammer. Hard to pass judgement just yet
Not sure what other results you are wanting.
What was Kennedy supposed to do any better than finish is a 3-way tie for 4th?
Results? OK
Johnson won the SEC in his 1st season. He now has 10 more years to win another and pass Stansbury
Pelphrey went to the NCAA's once in his first 3 seasons as coach- Stansbury didnt
Grant? One year at Bammer. Hard to pass judgement just yet
Not sure what other results you are wanting.
And was being talked about as a tourney team in the preseason. I think that Ole Miss was the 2nd most talented team in the West behind MSU and I didn't think the talent gap between FL, Vandy and OM was that great. The games at OM bear that out. The games were close same with a road game at UT that went to OT. Talent wasn't the issue. We have enough talent to get to the tourney. Warren, White, Henry, Buckner, and Holloway are good to really good players. Graham, Polynice, Gaskins are decent role players. Problem is that they are in a horrible system. I don't know what to call that system, but basically a "weave offense"<div>
</div><div>Talent wasn't the issue. We went 4-4 at home and his teams blew late leads to several SEC teams. </div><div>
</div><div>Johnson has proven that he was able to win the SEC on Marcus Thornton's back and that he can go 1-15. Should be interesting to see what he can do next year.</div><div>
</div><div>Pelphrey is a joke. He went to the NCAA with a senior laden UPIG team, and since then has done nothing. In case you disagree, watch the OM/UPIG game in Fayetville. He coached the last 3 minutes with both hands wrapped around his neck. Also he is coaching at FREAKING ARKANSAS. They should be dominating the West. They have the best fan support, facilities and tradition, yet he has turned back to back 14 win seasons. That is hard to do, but luckily Pelphrey was up to the task.</div><div>
</div><div>Grant may be solid, but Bama had some pieces this year, but they just choked in the last 5 minutes of basically every game, but I will agree with you its too early to tell.</div><div>
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</div><div>Talent wasn't the issue. We went 4-4 at home and his teams blew late leads to several SEC teams. </div><div>
</div><div>Johnson has proven that he was able to win the SEC on Marcus Thornton's back and that he can go 1-15. Should be interesting to see what he can do next year.</div><div>
</div><div>Pelphrey is a joke. He went to the NCAA with a senior laden UPIG team, and since then has done nothing. In case you disagree, watch the OM/UPIG game in Fayetville. He coached the last 3 minutes with both hands wrapped around his neck. Also he is coaching at FREAKING ARKANSAS. They should be dominating the West. They have the best fan support, facilities and tradition, yet he has turned back to back 14 win seasons. That is hard to do, but luckily Pelphrey was up to the task.</div><div>
</div><div>Grant may be solid, but Bama had some pieces this year, but they just choked in the last 5 minutes of basically every game, but I will agree with you its too early to tell.</div><div>
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almost were a Tourney team. 1 win short. But aGAIN, nobody will say Mississippi has more talent than State, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vandy....and I dont think you guys have Fla's either...making you 6th at best. The 6th best SEC team is not an NCAA-worthy team
"FREAKING ARKANSAS"- hasn't been to a Sweet 16 since <span style="text-decoration:underline">1996</span>. Haven't you guys seen one or two since then? SC has people turn out in droves for football, yet had as bad of a football program historically as State until 7-8 years ago. That national title helps for just a few years after you win it, once it's gone, young recruits tend to have no idea what you did. Courtney Fortson and Rotnei Clark were 5 the last time UPig made a Sweet 16
"FREAKING ARKANSAS"- hasn't been to a Sweet 16 since <span style="text-decoration:underline">1996</span>. Haven't you guys seen one or two since then? SC has people turn out in droves for football, yet had as bad of a football program historically as State until 7-8 years ago. That national title helps for just a few years after you win it, once it's gone, young recruits tend to have no idea what you did. Courtney Fortson and Rotnei Clark were 5 the last time UPig made a Sweet 16
No way. If two wins in Nashville didn't get us in, one win would not have gotten them in. Unless you are talking about a regular season win over Kentucky or Vandy, and even then I don't think they would have been in. UM needed at least three more regular season wins or two more and a tournament win to be in.Coach34 said:
In the SEC there is KY and there is a next level of MSU/Vandy/UT/FL/OM. On pure talent Arkansas should be there, but Pelphrey is such a bad coach that I can discuss them with these five teams.<div>
</div><div>UT is probably the best of that bunch, but teams 3-6 are interchangeable in my opinion. OM swept Bama and AU, MSU went 2-2 against those. MSU beat USC on the road, KY lost to them. </div><div>
</div><div>No one is arguing more talent at OM, the argument is comparable talent. Ole Miss had comparable talent to MSU/Vandy/FL/UT. The games that I saw bear that out. Could be OM be the least talented out of the five teams? Sure, but the gap is not that wide, and with good coaching Ole Miss should have been able to win 1 or 2 games against these teams, but his offense was putrid, and the idea of moving without the ball is foreign for this team.</div><div>
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</div><div>UT is probably the best of that bunch, but teams 3-6 are interchangeable in my opinion. OM swept Bama and AU, MSU went 2-2 against those. MSU beat USC on the road, KY lost to them. </div><div>
</div><div>No one is arguing more talent at OM, the argument is comparable talent. Ole Miss had comparable talent to MSU/Vandy/FL/UT. The games that I saw bear that out. Could be OM be the least talented out of the five teams? Sure, but the gap is not that wide, and with good coaching Ole Miss should have been able to win 1 or 2 games against these teams, but his offense was putrid, and the idea of moving without the ball is foreign for this team.</div><div>
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OMlawdog said:
This post sums up the entire board pretty well.
We find every excusefor our other coaches and sports, especially in their first couple of years when we still think they are "building" and willwin big in no time. Funny thing is, that never happens in other sports.
We actuallyare in the national conversation in basketball 3 out of every 4 years, and basically beat the number 2 team in the nation twice this year,yet all anyone does on here is try to search for any negative, whether it's there or made up, to point out and say why we aren't successful enough and should be doing better although we're far outperforming any other sport on campus