1st Q 3:45 mark- How you like this series, especially the 4th down call.

[bulldoghair]

3rd and 3 from their 42 yard line- Kamario runs for 4 yards.

1st down from their 39- Kamario runs for 6 yards.

2nd down- Kamario runs for 2 yards

3rd down and 2- Kamario runs for 1 yard.

4th down and 1- Shapen looses a yard. Turnover.

Capable good running backs without a carry. Plus take out the 230lb QB, and bring back in Blake Shapen to run up the middle on 4th down.

Retarded.

 

[patdog]

Complete waste of a series on their side if the field. Ran same play 5 times in a row. No surprise after the first couple of time they shut it down cold. Especially since it’s the only play KT knows.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

Immediately began bitching about it with the text group

 

[MSUDOG24]

Complete waste of a series on their side if the field. Ran same play 5 times in a row. No surprise after the first couple of time they shut it down cold. Especially since it’s the only play KT knows.

Certainly helped #43's tackle count for the game, swear he made all of them.

 

[00Dawg]

The correct read on both 3rd and 4th down was to hand to the running back. The end wasn't totally biting, but he would've easily been outflanked. I can't decide if I was more mad about that or having Shapen in on 4th to run the same play.

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

Absolute Dumbassery! I was bitching when I saw Shapen coming back on the field for 4th down.

 

[vhdawg]

3rd and 3 from there 42 yard line- Kamario runs for 4 yards.

1st down from there 39- Kamario runs for 6 yards.

2nd down- Kamario runs for 2 yards

3rd down and 2- Kamario runs for 1 yard.

4th down and 1- Shapen looses a yard. Turnover.

Capable good running backs without a carry. Plus take out the 230lb QB, and bring back in Blake Shapen to run up the middle on 4th down.

Retarded.

I thought we were faking the jet sweep to set up something, then I decided we were diving because we had faked the jet sweep and were clearly attempting to outsmart the defense looking for the jet sweep

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

Is Kamario's passing so bad that we won't let him attempt one? He's so easy to defend against if you know he's not going to throw.

 

[CDawg08]

Also we could’ve tried fg right there on 4th and 2 instead. Another bad coaching move horrible actually. That whole scenario right there in that situation was head scratching

 

[ETK99]

3rd and 3 from there 42 yard line- Kamario runs for 4 yards.

1st down from there 39- Kamario runs for 6 yards.

2nd down- Kamario runs for 2 yards

3rd down and 2- Kamario runs for 1 yard.

4th down and 1- Shapen looses a yard. Turnover.

Capable good running backs without a carry. Plus take out the 230lb QB, and bring back in Blake Shapen to run up the middle on 4th down.

Retarded.

It was an RPO the QB read wrong

 

[Villagedawg]

I thought we were faking the jet sweep to set up something, then I decided we were diving because we had faked the jet sweep and were clearly attempting to outsmart the defense looking for the jet sweep

It was a battle of wits. Truely, he has a dazzling intellect.

 

[YesIAmAPirate]

Is Kamario's passing so bad that we won't let him attempt one? He's so easy to defend against if you know he's not going to throw.

We must be saving his arm for a super trick play later in the year

 

[Darryl Steight]

Especially since it’s the only play KT knows.

Are we sure this is correct? How would we know?

 

[vhdawg]

It was a battle of wits. Truely, he has a dazzling intellect.

Seriously, that's exactly what I think was happening! You know what they're really not going to be looking for? The dive from the non-running-QB! Let's go!

 

[CaptainFalcon]

If we hand off a sweep on the 3rd down play it’s probably a TD.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

It was an RPO the QB read wrong

He didn’t read it at all. He was going to keep it the minute the huddle broke.

 

[onewoof]

It was so bad that I honestly questioned the integrity of the TV game at this point

 

[Villagedawg]

Seriously, that's exactly what I think was happening! You know what they're really not going to be looking for? The dive from the non-running-QB! Let's go!

Oh. I completely agree. I think he outsmarted himself.

 

[Chesusdog]

The jetsweep was WIDE open two plays in a row. KT is only a viable option if there is a threat of him passing the ball.

 

[msstatelp1]

He didn’t read it at all. He was going to keep it the minute the huddle broke.

I feel this is what Shapen does all the time. There is no RPO. His decision is made before the huddle breaks.

 

[Seinfeld]

What infuriates me the most about all of this is that I still don't get the feeling that Lebby has any idea as to what he wants to do with KT.

One game he gets a couple short yardage snaps

The next game he doesn't play

The next game he gets a series, only to be taken out on 4th down during the EXACT situation in which he most benefits us. And then we let Shapen try to bulldoze forward for no gain, turning the ball over...

Due to little fault of his own, Shapen is CLEARLY limited, but we had an entire off season to bring in a guy that could at least complement him. Lebby brings is two guys that weren't cheap I might add, and yet it's as if he has no clue as to how to utilize them while Shapen continues to struggle. It's maddening

 

[ETK99]

He didn’t read it at all. He was going to keep it the minute the huddle broke.

Both QBs have the RPO read there and both screwed it up. If he made his mind up to run, that's on the QB too. Lebby didn't send him out to just straight run it and got him on the sideline after too.

 

[StarkVegas Steve]

Is Kamario's passing so bad that we won't let him attempt one? He's so easy to defend against if you know he's not going to throw.

He has the option to pass. Lebby said exactly that in the press conference. He's easy to defend because he's a Freshman and is still playing like HS sometimes where he is head and shoulders better than everyone else on the field. It's not a bad thing. He's just inexperienced and still learning.

 

[patdog]

Are we sure this is correct? How would we know?

If he knew more plays and could execute them, I don’t think we’d see the same one every time. Heck, they don’t even mix it up by running it to the left side.

 

[Slow Natives]

If I’m KT and he doesn’t trust me throwing at all, I’m moving on next year.

 

[ETK99]

If he knew more plays and could execute them, I don’t think we’d see the same one every time. Heck, they don’t even mix it up by running it to the left side.

We have the highest run success rate in college football this season

 

[patdog]

He has the option to pass. Lebby said exactly that in the press conference. He's easy to defend because he's a Freshman and is still playing like HS sometimes where he is head and shoulders better than everyone else on the field. It's not a bad thing. He's just inexperienced and still learning.

I can see that. When you’re going from 3A HS football to the SEC, you tend to fall back on what you’re most comfortable doing. Maybe Lebby needs to give him a play or two where him running is not an option. Problem is, we’re in SEC play & you can’t afford to waste plays to get the FR backup more comfortable. It’s possible those 3 plays cost us the game Saturday. We keep Shapen in we might have scored at least a fg.

 

[Curby]

If players questioned play-calls after the game....the locker room is broken, and this season is over.

I've seen it too many times.

 

[Darryl Steight]

If he knew more plays and could execute them, I don’t think we’d see the same one every time. Heck, they don’t even mix it up by running it to the left side.

I guess it's possible, but I saw KT throw in HS and he looked really good, and his confidence never seems to waiver. I can easily imagine him bugging Lebby on the sidelines to put him in and let him throw it. So I blame the coach.

All I meant was that we may never know if he can throw if Lebby never lets him try it. It's beginning to piss me off, setting him up to fail by running him up the middle into the teeth of a defense that knows exactly what is coming.

 

[22yardpunt]

He didn’t read it at all. He was going to keep it the minute the huddle broke.

Had the very same thought - KT thought/wanted to make it all happen. And I get it, but that’s a freshman mistake and something that should be made clear to him - you keep or handoff based on reads, not what your ego tells you to do.

 

[patdog]

I guess it's possible, but I saw KT throw in HS and he looked really good, and his confidence never seems to waiver. I can easily imagine him bugging Lebby on the sidelines to put him in and let him throw it. So I blame the coach.

All I meant was that we may never know if he can throw if Lebby never lets him try it. It's beginning to piss me off, setting him up to fail by running him up the middle into the teeth of a defense that knows exactly what is coming.

He’s got a great arm & good throwing motion. But throwing passes in a live 3A HS game and reading defenses & throwing passes in a like SEC game are two very different things. He has a lot to learn. If he can learn, he has a chance to really special. But you can’t expect that from him 1st 6 months in the program.

Had the very same thought - KT thought/wanted to make it all happen. And I get it, but that’s a freshman mistake and something that should be made clear to him - you keep or handoff based on reads, not what your ego tells you to do.

He’s got a great arm & good throwing motion. But throwing passes in a live 3A HS game and reading defenses & throwing passes in a like SEC game are two very different things. He has a lot to learn. If he can learn, he has a chance to really special. But you can’t expect that from him 1st 6 months in the program.

 

[RocketDawg]

Absolute Dumbassery! I was bitching when I saw Shapen coming back on the field for 4th down.

Hasn't he complained a lot in the past when Taylor came in for closing duty? Probably what happened this time.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

We must be saving his arm for a super trick play later in the year

Second coming of Arceto Clark?

 

[gtowndawg]

Lebby is learning guys, give him a break, it's just a game (eyeroll).

 

[Dawg1976]

Is Kamario's passing so bad that we won't let him attempt one? He's so easy to defend against if you know he's not going to throw.

Early in the year against some dip **** team they had Shapen and KT in the same play with BS pitching to KT on a fake end run and he threw a pretty pass for a TD. Small sample size I know. Perhaps KT throws one int after the other in practice.

 

[StillTbonewannabe]

I thought we were faking the jet sweep to set up something, then I decided we were diving because we had faked the jet sweep and were clearly attempting to outsmart the defense looking for the jet sweep

Crazy that when we fake the jet sweep the defense never falls for it but if we do hand it off we get 1-3 yards or might lose yards.

 

[Muttley]

It was a battle of wits. Truely, he has a dazzling intellect.

It was inconceivable.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

Both QBs have the RPO read there and both screwed it up. If he made his mind up to run, that's on the QB too. Lebby didn't send him out to just straight run it and got him on the sideline after too.

Yes but if your qb keeps the ball most of the time you need to correct that ****. In game.

 

[Darryl Steight]

He’s got a great arm & good throwing motion. But throwing passes in a live 3A HS game and reading defenses & throwing passes in a like SEC game are two very different things. He has a lot to learn. If he can learn, he has a chance to really special. But you can’t expect that from him 1st 6 months in the program.

I'm seriously not arguing with you, I'm just frustrated with Lebby's handling of KT so far. So read this in that vein.

Michael Van Buren went to a Catholic high school in Maryland with 260 people. His first real playing time as a true freshman was on the road in Austin against a highly ranked team. He made some mistakes, yes, but overall he did fine. He did fine enough the rest of the year to get stolen by LSU.

I'm not saying to start and play KT from now on. I'm just saying, it's not completely unheard of for a freshman to come in and have some success. Especially when it's such a stark contrast in speed and athleticism between the starter and him. And especially an extremely talented, most highly rated freshman QB we've ever had with a huge upside that we want to be the face of our program the next 2-3 years so let's not piss him completely off.

Again, all I'm saying is - put him in for certain situations (short yardage, goal line, etc.), bust most of all give him a CHANCE to have some success. Don't bust him up the middle every single f'ing time.

Gosh damn it couldn't be THAT hard to roll him out and give him a run/pass option that way. Tell him to throw the ball to the open man, throw it into the stands if he's not open, or if it's absolutely clear for 10 yards in front of you - take off.

 

[patdog]

I'm seriously not arguing with you, I'm just frustrated with Lebby's handling of KT so far. So read this in that vein.

Michael Van Buren went to a Catholic high school in Maryland with 260 people. His first real playing time as a true freshman was on the road in Austin against a highly ranked team. He made some mistakes, yes, but overall he did fine. He did fine enough the rest of the year to get stolen by LSU.

I'm not saying to start and play KT from now on. I'm just saying, it's not completely unheard of for a freshman to come in and have some success. Especially when it's such a stark contrast in speed and athleticism between the starter and him. And especially an extremely talented, most highly rated freshman QB we've ever had with a huge upside that we want to be the face of our program the next 2-3 years so let's not piss him completely off.

Again, all I'm saying is - put him in for certain situations (short yardage, goal line, etc.), bust most of all give him a CHANCE to have some success. Don't bust him up the middle every single f'ing time.

Gosh damn it couldn't be THAT hard to roll him out and give him a run/pass option that way. Tell him to throw the ball to the open man, throw it into the stands if he's not open, or if it's absolutely clear for 10 yards in front of you - take off.

We had no choice with Van Buren. And he wasn't very good at all when we had to play him. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if he came up with a more modern passing game and pass defenses in MD than KT saw in MS. And we do bring him in for short yardage situations, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. One problem we have is the games to "get him experience" in aren't the SEC games. And all of our OOC games were in September when he was even less ready than he is now. I can make a case that leaving Thompson in for a series after he got the 4th down conversion on the Florida side of the field could have potentially cost us the ballgame. That was a complete waste. And it's not a stretch to think Shapen in that series might have at least gotten us into FG range. You just can't afford to waste a series in an SEC game to "get experience" for the true FR QB.