2 Coaching Staffs Ended By The Same Thing

keefsopeng

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Stoops and Joker both stink at coaching. Lets get that out of the way right now. However both Stoops and Joker's biggest misfires have not been x and o related(they do suck at that too) they have been huge recruiting misses. Morgan Newton, Ryan Mossakowski, Aaron Boyd, Patrick Towles, Glenn Faulkner, Jason Hatcher, Marcus McWilson, Ryan Timmons, Lloyd Tubman, Matt Elam, Kendall Randolph, Blake Bone, Cory Johnson, Darius West, Mike Edwards, Drew Barker all were big time tier 1 talent that missed. That's not me making excuses for the coach. Quite the opposite, whether they weren't developed properly or they weren't scouted properly that is on the coaches. Think about any time UK has been good in the past. The top tier guys at the prominent positions were either selected correctly or coached to be great. If Drew Barker was playing like Lamar Jackson we are most likely 2-0 and maybe 1-1 but we know we are trending up and not feel like we are going to implode. Great play at key positions can cover up a lot of inadequacies.

We have no one this team outside of Boom Williams and Jordan Jones who are great players. We might have some great WR's(Juice and Tavin come to mind) but they can't get themselves the ball. I'm hoping that while there may not be a gigantic improvement this year Jones gives me that feeling of Woodyard, Trevathan, Williamson. He's a leader in the middle, you can work with that. The problem is offensively other than when we play the 2 patty cakes left on our schedule we don't play a weak defense. Drew isn't very good no way to slice it other than that. He doesn't inspire his teammates, everything he has done since he stepped foot on campus reeks of a me first guy. Now I'll be the first one to say last year i wanted him to play over Towles. Towles had 4 years and never got it done, it was clear that Towles+UK=NOT SUCCESSFUL. Had Drew played more last year maybe he's better now but probably not, to be the kind of hot dog he thinks he is you have to actually be able to walk out on the field and do some Johnny Football stuff.

I'll finish re-stating what i said in a couple of threads last week. I'll be rooting for the cats each and every game and still hoping we get the 6 remaining winnable games. But I think unless a major miracle happens we need someone not named Mitch Barnhart to start scouting these potential hires for UK and we need them to know how to win playing a style that is not straight up 11 on 11 football. We will never win playing traditional football. Not unless we get top talent. That's only way to win playing like that. What did Bill Belicheck do when all the Patriots from the glory years that won the 3 super bowls got old? He released them or they retired. He switched from a ball control offense that relied on a great defense to letting Tom Brady sling it 50 times a game. What happened they remained the best team in the league year in and out and won another super bowl. We aren't ever getting a Belicheck obviously but we need a football mind that is beyond the normal crude football mind.

Go Big Blue
 
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keefsopeng

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PJ Fleck is a name I hope they really consider. He has turned around a losing team as a head coach and is an inspiring young guy from all accounts. Doubt Mitch goes the expensive route or the tarnish former great route. So here's hoping for the best
 
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dallasg23

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Still early for some of those players. A new staff could salvage decent careers.
 

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early names to consider, Justin Fuente, Matt Campbell, PJ Fleck. doubt we'll go the expensive brand name route, cause Mitch gonna Mitch. These 3 all have head coaching experience and have turned bad teams around. just food for thought that could be realistic.

Fuente is out of the question as he was just hired by Va Tech. Not sure about the other guys but I really think UK needs to find an offensive minded HC. It's much easier to build a high powered offense than an SEC quality defense so we'll have a puncher's chance until we can build the D up.

One interesting candidate would be Tressel. His show cause ends December of this year but I doubt sister christian Barney will look his way as he's not god like and has NCAA violations.
 
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early names to consider, Justin Fuente, Matt Campbell, PJ Fleck. doubt we'll go the expensive brand name route, cause Mitch gonna Mitch. These 3 all have head coaching experience and have turned bad teams around. just food for thought that could be realistic.


Doubt we go the expensive route? How much do you think Stoops is,getting paid?
 

Jazzycat

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Imo....the talent to succeed is there.
Coaching and player development is not.
 

keefsopeng

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West and Edwards are busts? Yeah, RS FR are busts after 2 games.
this is year 3 for Edwards and West. Could they still turn it around sure they could. could any of those guys on that list still turn it around? of course. saying an injured guy is a bust i know is harsh. I didn't quite mean it like that, what i meant is he has contributed 0 to the team in 3 years. He was a guy they were hoping could help turn the defense around. Everyone I mentioned has is at least in their 3rd year here.

To dallasg, yea that is kind of my point with some of these guys it's possible that they weren't/aren't busts and that the staff just stinks and if we get new blood in here maybe we turn it around.
 

ukgolfnut36

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Look at WKU coach,gets half as much as Stoops is getting an is doing it with 2 an a few 3 star players,but he a UL grad so Barney would never talk to him
 

UKWildcats#8

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Imo....the talent to succeed is there.
Coaching and player development is not.

Talent is there to win 6, maybe 7....nothing more. We are never gonna have the talent to beat out the top tier SEC teams. We may luck out and beat some on occasion but that is about it (unless it is FL or UT).