2 weeks to discuss, can we?

[Blueaz]

What did I fail to answer? I answered every question asked of me.

I never said he did handle it correctly. But I can't say he didn't either. Non of us here know the real truth of how it was "handled". And to say it was out of desperation is a joke. Towles had plenty of time to prove it was his team and didn't do it. So Stoops gave Barker a try. Something that 99% of the people on this board were calling for.

once again, you choose to pick one part of a response, without addressing the rest of a thread or question.
I used to have you on ignore; I am not going back there. But obviously, there is no need in trying to have a conversation with you, it is impossible, if I don't share your view.
and btw...you started the insults first...everyone was being civil, until you wanted to be so obtuse

 

[brianpoe]

Typical response from those who have no evidence or argument. Start trying to insult or change the subject instead of admitting you are wrong, or getting evidence to back your argument.

Whatever merri, i defended you the past few years but it is basically just dumb now.

Unless you are family, it is simply weird.

Even Erin criticizes Cal once in a blue moon...

 

[merrimanm]

once again, you choose to pick one part of a response, without addressing the rest of a thread or question.
I used to have you on ignore; I am not going back there. But obviously, there is no need in trying to have a conversation with you, it is impossible, if I don't share your view.
and btw...you started the insults first...everyone was being civil, until you wanted to be so obtuse

I AM ASKING WHAT I LEFT OUT!!!!! Funny none of you can answer that.

Also, tell me where I insulted anyone. Its the same crap. You are going to defend the person you agree with when it comes to te football situation and won't ever see the other side.

I am even asking where I didn't answer a question or left something out and yall can't tell me.

As far as putting me on ignore, that is hilarious. Because I disagree? You are free to go.there again if you want.

 

[Blueaz]

exactly, you can't accept anyone disagreeing with you.

 

[merrimanm]

exactly, you can't accept anyone disagreeing with you.

No I can just fine. And yet you post again, without answering the questions I aksed. Where did I insult anyone? What questions did I leave unanswered? And what did I leave out that you are referring to? This about the 10th time I have asked it, yet all you can say is the same thing over and over.

By the way, just because I don't change my stance, doesn't mean I can't handle people disagreeing with me.

 

[morgousky]

Tell me you're not a fan of my Bengals. You'll start telling me this offense I'm watching is doing fine next

I'm a bucs fan in football. We seem to have a lot in common in this sport.

At least I have the cardinals in baseball. You should consider jumping on.

 

[morgousky]

No I can just fine. And yet you post again, without answering the questions I aksed. Where did I insult anyone? What questions did I leave unanswered? And what did I leave out that you are referring to? This about the 10th time I have asked it, yet all you can say is the same thing over and over.

By the way, just because I don't change my stance, doesn't mean I can't handle people disagreeing with me.

Man it's ok to accept reality though. Stoops has not been a good hire. Another year will be 5. Kentucky football and it's fans have got to start taking this seriously. I don't care about original positions. I care that we call it as its happening. So far we're losing games we shouldn't and squeaking out home wins against scrubs. It's just not good anyway you slice it. We've got a brutal schedule coming up after state and Missouri. We probably just split those at best. 5 wins in year 4 is not good. 6 wins in year 4 is not good. We need to compete for the east. Kentucky is capable of that. Don't sell our program short based on some original point that none of us will hold against you. I want to win in a meaningful way. That's why I stay on it. I want our fans to want it. We should all demand more until he produces more, not the other way around. This is our football program we're talking about.

 

[morgousky]

Typical response from those who have no evidence or argument. Start trying to insult or change the subject instead of admitting you are wrong, or getting evidence to back your argument.

See, like here, Poe is pretty even handed. He's even said you're a good fan who cares. But even he sees the flaws in your position. Instead of attacking, try listening to us. We all care about uk football. What we're saying isn't invalid. We are not producing enough for stoops contract and our resources. It's that simple.

 

[Blueaz]

See, like here, Poe is pretty even handed. He's even said you're a good fan who cares. But even he sees the flaws in your position. Instead of attacking, try listening to us. We all care about uk football. What we're saying isn't invalid. We are not producing enough for stoops contract and our resources. It's that simple.

Great post

 

[CB3UK]

I'm a bucs fan in football. We seem to have a lot in common in this sport.

At least I have the cardinals in baseball. You should consider jumping on.

Haha no Im a Reds fan. We are now sworn enemies

 

[merrimanm]

See, like here, Poe is pretty even handed. He's even said you're a good fan who cares. But even he sees the flaws in your position. Instead of attacking, try listening to us. We all care about uk football. What we're saying isn't invalid. We are not producing enough for stoops contract and our resources. It's that simple.

And I see flaws in yalls way of thinking. What makes you more right than me. And I am not attacking anyone. Again, I have asked for the last however many posts to show me where I attacked someone. Show me where I haven't answered questions. Show me where I left things out. If you would I would address those things. But I am pretty sure I did address and answer all of those things, and didn't attack anyone.

But take your own advice. Listen to what I am saying. Everyone I post facts on here, the only response I get is that I don't care about the program, not a true fan, or I am just making excuses. It goes both ways. I simply asked for someone to show me proof that Stoops mishandled the QB situation. And out of all these posts, not one has been able to do that.

I have agreed on many things that are wrong with this program. I just don't think it is as simple as saying year 4 all the time.

And as far as me taking it serious. That us laughable. I am a season ticket holder paying for them on a teacher's salary. I tailgate and go to EVERY home game. Rain, shine, snow, whatever, I am there. I spend to much freakin time on this board than I really should. Believe me, I am invested. And if you saw me at the games, you would know I am serious. I have to argue with folks because I stand the whole game and yell loud. I jump around on every play, while those around me yell stuff at me and my son (who is 10 by the way) because we are being to crazy and won't sit down. I am very serious about this football team and not agreeing with the masses doesn't change that.

And by the way, Poe is an awesome fan and poster. Never said he wasn't. But just because he sees flaws doesn't make him right and not me. I try to use facts to back my opinions. I just want others to do the same and there are no facts to back up what half of the Stoops haters say. I don't think that is right. Examples, that awful rumor, saying he has lost the team and they hate him, and in this case, saying they handled the QB situation horribly.

And by the way, I think you are an awesome fan and poster as well. You bring a lot to this board.

 

[brianpoe]

I'm starting to feel the love...



I think @Blueaz said it best...

We are seeing improvements but we expected these at the beginning of year 4 not midseason.

Add to that the competition level of the games we won was not very good.

Even though Miss State is way down I think they give us a better barometer than USCjr or Vandy.

Finding ways to win is a positive for a coach.

Finding ways to win as an underdog is a good coach.

MSU and Mizzou will be our season, win these and AP will be enough.

I am resigned to the fact that UT and UL are out of reach and unlike many others I don't see us catching UGA this year either.

Which adds to the discontent - we have had multiple opportunities to knock off Florida, then Auburn, this year it's UGA - unlike Vandy under Franklin, we can't seem to be up when many others are down.

You guys really think UGA won't be much better next year?

A 3rd place finish in the East this year should be attainable in our 4th season with the dawgs being down.

We will see how it goes.

 

[Soupbean]

Are the lines really improved "over time" or just since the beginning of the season?
The point the team is at, at this moment; was what I expected a good coach to have the team start with going into his fourth year.
Does that make sense? Did I expect too much?

No I think you have it right. The progression of the Oline has been disappointing the past couple of years but I guess I expected it to struggle again especially with Leavitt not a factor and Mosier going down early but they have been solid and even good at run blocking. And again the most impressive part is seeing guys step up and do it at different positions and be flexible.

George has gotten much better and Bunchy has been a pleasant surprise moving in at guard, and Stenberg has been solid as a rookie. Gives me more confidence that I expected to have for the future there.

 

[docholiday51]

I think poe is right about the Miss St game,it will be the best barometer of where we are.The South Carolina and Vandy wins were must wins and good to have under our belt,now we will have a chance to build off those wins(something we haven't been able to do since the latter Brooks years)

We need to work on the QB situation for the next two weeks but we should be able to line up and play with Miss St

 

[mtn cat1]

No I agree with you. That is what I am trying to get you to understand. You are using that as a way to say Stoops mishandled the QB situation. All you could point to was that he wasn't allowed to run. The fact that one OC had him running and one didn't proves Stoops didn't tell them that Towles couldn't run.
Then you use the argument of pace. Yes, every coach does that. And Stoops is not wron in doing that. It would be different of we were hanging 50 on people. But we are not. The fact that we can't, means we have to use different paces.

But pace does not explain how he messed up the Towles/ Barker situation. That is what I asked you from the beginning.

My only question to you was how did Stoops mess the qb situation up, and YOU took it to the pace issue. And again, that doesn't answer my question.

I believe what your detractors are referencing is Coach Stoops comments prior to the season when he said that PT would be the QB but that Barker would be receiving snaps early in the season. As I recall, he made this assertion more than one time! Once the season began, Coach said that Barker would be getting snaps in the next game. ( don't remember which early game this was), at any rate when the game was played, Barker did not see action as had been promised! It was at this point that some fans went viral because of the original promises!!!

 

[merrimanm]

I believe what your detractors are referencing is Coach Stoops comments prior to the season when he said that PT would be the QB but that Barker would be receiving snaps early in the season. As I recall, he made this assertion more than one time! Once the season began, Coach said that Barker would be getting snaps in the next game. ( don't remember which early game this was), at any rate when the game was played, Barker did not see action as had been promised! It was at this point that some fans went viral because of the original promises!!!

I do remember that. That was before the EKU game. I think he said that due to youth as a head coach and assuming we would just blow EKU out. Very big mistake and probably why we played so bad that game. But, I will say that that statement would seem to hurt Barker more than Towles which is the one who transferred.

 

[Johnfarrel]

Florida destroyed KY but they only scored 13 on Vandyour and KY gained more yardage on the ground against Vandyou.

The team is obviously playing better after the first two games but needs a passing game to go with a dynamite running game. The team needs a healthy Barker. He showed in the first half of the first game that KY can have a passing game.

 

[frost1]

Good post BP. I think winning 2 close games has 2 be a good step forward. If the QB whomever it is, can complete 15 passes a game, I think we will go bowling. To me, QB passing has to be the major key on offense.

 

[gg4uk]

I'll gladly eat crow as of right now. The 4-3 is looking good and I honestly didn't think we had the personnel for it. We might be in trouble if we lose a player or two to injury, but the 4-3 is paying off as of this moment.

FWIW
The 3-4 has not been scrapped. Pringles lined up as NG several times vs Vandy. Keep in mind that just because we have 4 players with their hand in the ground does not mean it's a 4-3. A 4-3 does not a have NG.

 

[Blueaz]

I do remember that. That was before the EKU game. I think he said that due to youth as a head coach and assuming we would just blow EKU out. Very big mistake and probably why we played so bad that game. But, I will say that that statement would seem to hurt Barker more than Towles which is the one who transferred.

correct, this may be why some are saying that Barker should have gotten more reps...
and maybe those "more reps" lead to a more competent QB down the stretch or maybe the pressure on Towles improves his play.
I know those are all "ifs" and unknowns, but it does seem to be mishandled at some point either by Stoops or the OC or both.
and if your point is that there was no mishandling of QBs, that it what is frustrating to the masses, that did see poor QB play last year

 

[kb22stang]

Well they never got a handle on it. Stoops watched his best strength be taken away and it was all downhill from there. It goes back to leadership. Find your QB, work with him to coral the locker room, use his strengths, and it usually comes together. Stoops is either not suited as the head man, or he's learning how really slowly.

Jesus, you'll try anything to bash the coach (the very definition of a hater). The problem isn't how they played PT. The problem is that as of last year PT wasn't very good and Barker wasn't either. Call it a recruiting problem if you'd like, but we didn't have a P5 QB on the roster.

And you keep whining about trying to win 6 games and me must demand more. News flash, you have to get to 6 before you get to 7. And historically that has been very hard to do here. So yes, it's not crazy to stick with a coach who has improved recruiting and he's only a win away from bowl eligibility. You want to act like the coach is inept, yet in his first three years a head coach he's only 2 wins from everyone talking about what a great job he's doing.

Yeah, giving him another year, for a total of 5 after the dumpster fire he took over, is a pretty sane thing to do.

 

[merrimanm]

correct, this may be why some are saying that Barker should have gotten more reps...
and maybe those "more reps" lead to a more competent QB down the stretch or maybe the pressure on Towles improves his play.
I know those are all "ifs" and unknowns, but it does seem to be mishandled at some point either by Stoops or the OC or both.
and if your point is that there was no mishandling of QBs, that it what is frustrating to the masses, that did see poor QB play last year

No, I can see how some could view it as that. But that is all I was asking, yet know one would answer until now.

In rebuttal, I think it is hindsight. Stoops wanted to desperately get to a bowl last year, so he continues to stay with the guy that has shown he could win when he was hot. Barker had no experience at that point. So, in my opinion, and I could be totally wrong, but I think he waited until Charleston Southern to allow Barker to get his feet wet as a starter.he was.doing everything he could at that point to get to a bowl. If it would uave worked out, everyone would call him a genius.

But this are very good arguments on why you think it was.mishandled. That was all I was asking to begin with.

 

[Blueaz]

No, I can see how some could view it as that. But that is all I was asking, yet know one would answer until now.

In rebuttal, I think it is hindsight. Stoops wanted to desperately get to a bowl last year, so he continues to stay with the guy that has shown he could win when he was hot. Barker had no experience at that point. So, in my opinion, and I could be totally wrong, but I think he waited until Charleston Southern to allow Barker to get his feet wet as a starter.he was.doing everything he could at that point to get to a bowl. If it would uave worked out, everyone would call him a genius.

But this are very good arguments on why you think it was.mishandled. That was all I was asking to begin with.

Do you think it was handled correctly? or
Do you think Stoops, thought he handled it correctly? and you are sticking with coach's decision.
Either answer is OK...I am just trying figure out your reasoning.

 

[buckkiller]

I can agree on most part. I have almost jumped off Stoops train as everyone knows. Alot of things im not happy with. If Stoops can gets W's from Miss St,Mizz,Uga i will get back on. Ill tip my hat to the D seems to just be more passion on that side of ball. I still stand by my word no bowl he cannot come back. Time to move on, 4th year no bowl no exceptions I do love what our Running game is turning into. It has carried us on our last 2 sec Wins.

 

[merrimanm]

Do you think it was handled correctly? or
Do you think Stoops, thought he handled it correctly? and you are sticking with coach's decision.
Either answer is OK...I am just trying figure out your reasoning.

No, I don't think he did. I am a respect your opponent type of guy. So I would never come out and say we are going to get the young guys in, making it look as though you just assume you are going to blow a team out. So that part, I do not agree with.

As far as playing Barker at the end of the UGA game I think it was, and the starting him he last 2 games, I don't think I would have done it differently. Towles was REALLY struggling. I think Stoops was at a point where he almost had to try something new. I also think he should have subbed Towles back in at the UL game like he did. At that point, you do everything you can to win the game, and Barker was obviously not going to help us win it.