2000 State vs 2008 Ole Miss....

[dawgstudent]

Who wins with both teams playing at their peak? Discuss.

 

[dawgstudent]

Who wins with both teams playing at their peak? Discuss.

 

[bonedaddy401]

Houston Nutt had that teams number back then and he would have it again with his team from last year. It would be a fun game though. Ole Miss's pass rush vs. our OLine would definitely be more competitive than it was last year. Our DB's vs. Jevan Sneed and Co. would be fun to watch also.

 

[HD6]

That defense could stop anyone.

 

[dawgstudent]

1997 - all we had to do was beat Arkansas and Ole Miss to win the West
1998 - needed help and we won the west
1999 - 8-0 going into November and we controlled our own destiny
2000 - all we had to do was beat Arkansas and Ole Miss to win the West

So 3 out of the 4 years, we controlled our own destiny in November and didn't close the deal. The one year we didn't control our destiny, we actually win the West.

 

[dawgstudent]

I think 2000 State was better than 1999 State as a whole. The way that team played aGAINST Florida and Auburn was unreal.

 

[HD6]

that actually won the Egg Bowl that season. 2000 team was great for two games, 1999 was good for 12. And the 2000 team had some huge laspes, gave up 30 plus points to MTSU, blew two leads aGAINST Ole Miss, blew a lead aGAINST A&M, and do we need to post Kendall Roberson aGAIN?

 

[graddawg]

I think 2000 State was better than 1999 State as a whole. <span style="font-weight: bold;">The way that team played aGAINST Florida and Auburn was unreal.</span>

Oh to have the atmosphere from those two weekends back...

 

[dawgstudent]

was at their peak. 2000 State tops 1999 State and that's the reason I put them in the question.

 

[cowbell9]

np

 

[dawgstudent]

I think if you put the 1999 team at their peak and the 2000 team at their peak, 2000 Team wins everytime.

 

[cowbell9]

nm

 

[patdog]

The 2000 team's defense absolutely sucked. We gave up only 156 points in 12 games in 1999. In 2000, we gave up twice that many (306 points). The 2000 team had a better offense no doubt, but if the 1999 team and the 2000 team had somehow played each other, it wouldn't have been close. Most people point to the 2001 season as the beginning of the decline of MSU football, but the real decline started on 10/21/00 when we gave up 45 points in the loss to LSU at Baton Rouge. </p>

 

[BCash]

We had established ourselves as a solid contender in the SEC. We were feared. We had a signature style of play. We pissed it all away. I still can't believe it. If we would have had leadership worth a ****, we would have kept rolling until now. Imagine Starkville and the school if we had continued on that same path.

 

[Rebheaded Stranger]

play the whole Egg Bowl that year, you probably win though. Y'all were beating our *** until Madkin came out. That was the last of the good team against good team Egg Bowls.

 

[RebelBruiser]

play the whole Egg Bowl that year, you probably win though. Y'all were beating our *** until Madkin came out. That was the last of the good team against good team Egg Bowls.

Yep 1997-2000 was a good run for quality Egg Bowls. ESPN picked that game up right about the perfect time, and they dropped it when Eli graduated (wisely).

The goal line stand game in Oxford in 1992 was a match of two pretty good teams as well, but other than those years, there has typically been at least one of us that has had nothing to play for but pride.

 

[dawgstudent]

teams at their peak.

I would take the 2000 team that beat Auburn and Florida in back to back weeks over any week of the 1999 team.

 

[patdog]

Even in the Florida game we gave up 35 points. No way our 2000 offense does anything close to our 1999 defense as they did to Florida's defense that day.

 

[dawgstudent]

were garbage points after we were up 47-23.

 

[Coach34]

That defense could stop anyone.

but I agree with Shoney's Big Boy here. The 1999 team was a QB away from playing for the NC- or at least being undefeated. A functional QB and that team would be hailed as one of the SEC's all-time greats...2000 team played in spurts and didnt have that killer instinct

 

[jmbeck]

Dicenzo Miller, thanks for that memory!

Oh, and Mr. Walker, had you not gone ape **** in 2002, I'd have added your 25 for 156.

 

[dawgstudent]

but have I stated yet it's about teams at their peak?

 

[jmbeck]

Florida had -78 yards rushing. Yeah, we gave up damned near 500 yards in the air, but as DS said, 150 or so was in garbage time to Brock Berlin.

Rex Grossman lit our *** up though.

 

[Coach34]

Ashley Cooper had hit Dontae Walker in the mouth just once? At their peaks, the 1999 bunch would have beaten Madkin down and made him piss himself.

1999

 

[VegasDawg13]

I strongly agree with you. Yes, the 1999 defense was great, but people like to ignore the fact that we got 8-0 that year without beating anyone good. I'm not trying to take away what that team accomplished, but I'd take the 2000 team as long as I can restrict it to the first 10 games.

As far as the defense not being good in 2000. No they weren't as good, but they did hold Auburn to 0 first downs for the first half. So, they were capable of being pretty damn good.</p>

 

[patdog]

were probably the best back-to-back games in MSU football history. I do think the 1999 team would have won both of those games too though.

 

[NavinJohnson]

play the whole Egg Bowl that year, you probably win though. Y'all were beating our *** until Madkin came out. That was the last of the good team against good team Egg Bowls.

Madkin had the flu that day (2000 Egg Bowl). From an article about the game:</p>

"Mississippi State jumped out to a 16-0 lead in the first half, but also lost starting quarterback Wayne Madkin.</p>

The junior had a 102-degree fever and missed practice Wednesday. He started the game and threw a 39-yard TD pass to Terrell Grindle midway through the first quarter before giving way to redshirt freshman Kevin Fant for the rest of the game.

Fant was 10-for-21 for 135 yards and was sacked seven times."
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[MagnificentBastard]

Just like 1997 and 2000 all we had to do was beat Arkansas and Ole Miss to win the West. What help did we need?

 

[Agentdog]

Obviously, we peaked the end of September/begining of October in 2000. Looks like OM peaked towards the end of the season as they followed up the UF wins in September with a loss to USC.

I am a State fan. So, I go with State 2000. Our OL is able to control their DL. THe RBs keep the chains moving. Keeping their offense off the field and the game low scoring.

As for comparing State 1999 vs State 2000. The 1999 schedule was softer than the 2000 schedule. Just something to think about. </p>

 

[tommyboy1520]

The 99 team wouldn't have come close to hanging 43 on Florida that day.

 

[patdog]

They'd have won something like 20-13.

 

[tommyboy1520]

But I don't think the 99 offense would've scored 20. I would say the score would've been 13-7 in favor of Florida. Our D was unstoppable, no question. But our offense was pretty bad.

 

[Todd4State]

that if we had run a hurry up type of offense with Madkin and Matt Wyatt and the coaches telling them what to call, and not to think about anything else (I'll never forget his deer in the headlights look he always had), I think the offense would have been a lot better off.

I also think we would have been a lot better off playing Dontae and Dicenzo more and Chris Rainey less.

 

[dawgstudent]

to fall flat on his ***. We did control our destiny but it was caused by a miracle.

 

[Mr Meoff]

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[Tito Cheeseburger Jr]

Assuming a neutral site in Jackson

2008 Ole Miss -2.5 vs. 2000 M-State

1999 M-State -1 vs. 2008 Ole Miss

1999 M-State -3.5 vs. 2000 M-State

 

[HD6]

of minaturized Avid Readers?

Mini-Readers 17 MSU 2000 10

Mini-Readers 24 Ole Miss 2008 13