2010-2011 Basketball Team

[GBryne4Heisman]

Has a chance to be pretty good IMO..

1) Dee Bost - Guy has looked like an All American at times this year, but struggled early. I expect BIG things from him next year. He has a real chance to make 1st team All SEC. This will be the first MSU team in several years to have a true PG.
2) Phil Turner - Stable guy, needs to replace Barry as a shut down defender.
3) Ravern - Work on his driving to the basket. I've accepted the fact that Ravern won't ever be a very good defender.
4) Augustus - Needs to work with his back to the basket.
5) Sidney - We'll see..

Osby could make a move into the starting rotation at some point. He finally started to show some sparks late in the season. Seems like MSU usually has basketball players step up from year to year. I think Osby could be next years.

Team Needs:

• Defensive Presence (Barry and JV gone will leave big holes on D)
• Rebounding

I would rather have a State team that can score and depend on Stans to teach them D and rebounding than the other way around.

Thoughts?

 

[DowntownDawg]

...how many of those will we drop? We will have nothing down low, unless Elgin heals miraculously. That is the problem. Plus, it will take Sidney about 10 games to get used to college basketball at the minimum. Plus, Stansbury can't do well with high ego players. I think it's going to be a long year myself.

 

[8dog]

Barry was lock down and we have no one else like him and then JV pretty much made up for the fact that everyone else was average to below average on the ball. Ravern can get away with a ton with JV down low.

aGAIN, the key is to play well early. Of course, if we come out and lose to a Rider, everyone on this board will still say "its early..stop freaking out...its just one game"

Hopefully these last 3 years have finally taught everyone that Nov and Dec. are important.

 

[DowntownDawg]

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[dawgstudent]

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[Goat Redux]

if you want to take a consolation prize I guess. They pulled this same **** last year, then ran the SEC tourney and got in. Mentally I guess they thought they could do it again. Now, I bet Rick's not going to have to labor quite as hard to motivate these guys early in the season. I'd bet right now you don't see the bad losses early next year.

I can't comment on Sidney, because that's too subjective. If he's as good as advertised, he'll dominate as soon as he comes back. Especially if he gets in shape over the course of the year, and practices REGULARLY with the team. That's the key word. I think he'll be fine since he knows the NBA is on the line for him.

And that's another reason I think the team will exceed expectations next year. One, everybody thinks we'll suck, and two, MSU performs best with it's back against the wall.

 

[DowntownDawg]

...Brandon Vincent part 2 somewhere. We've got to have an enforcer down low. Period. And Bailey may just be too broken down. I don't think Sidney is a back to the basket guy, either. Kodi's sure not.

 

[Columbus Dawg]

When Barry picked up2 fouls in the first half did you see who replaced him? It wasn't Phil Turner and it hasn't been Turner all year.

HopefullyBryant is a good defender. If not, we should just go zone all year.

 

[DerHntr]

you would think that now that he is cleared he will practice much harder. the lack of knowing if he would be cleared had to be tough on his motivation all season. i can't say i completely blame him for that. it would be hard on anyone.

but, if he comes back next year and isn't in great shape by the time he is allowed to play then he is a complete idiot. too much money is on the line.

 

[whatever.sixpack]

Charles Rhodes wasn't a back to the basket player either until he had to be that for us. Sidney, Kodi, and Osby can be that type of player, as well as Elgin and Lewis. And maybe we shouldn't write Riek off.... or maybe we should.

We're not going to go out and get another big guy though unless someone unexpected leaves

 

[lawdawg02]

But, if you play he and Ravern together, Ravern can essentially play the 2 on offense and Turner can guard the 2 on defense.

Turner's offensive skills are just not SEC 2-guard caliber. I hope Ravern gets better off the dribble (he was better this year than last) and I hope JUCO guy or Smith can spell him and create their own shots. Smith's injuries are a BIG question mark for me, so hopefully we don't need him much next year.

Benock is solid, but won't be great. He still gets minutes, but how many will depend on JUCO guy's effectiveness, I think.

 

[Goat Redux]

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[SallyStansbury]

I think Kodi at the 4 and Tuner at the 2>> Benock at the 2 and Turner at the 4.

Plus we were getting hurt by Cousins and Patterson and could have used some of Augustus' height.

**Yes, I watched Kodi have a horrible stretch midway through the second half.

He waswell rested heading into overtime, could have given us something there. Benock was only good fora terrible inbounds pass and an open 3 that didn'tmatter.

Stans will give you some coachspeak blah blah blah for why Phil doesn't play the 2, but Ithink he should have been getting minutes there all year long.

 

[BulldogBlitz]

if you want to take a consolation prize I guess. They pulled this same **** last year, then ran the SEC tourney and got in. Mentally I guess they thought they could do it again. Now, I bet Rick's not going to have to labor quite as hard to motivate these guys early in the season. I'd bet right now you don't see the bad losses early next year.

i think that was the mentality the whole year. it was even mentioned during thegame yesterday....something along the lines of "with the 3 point shot,State knows they can be in any game really quick". richmond was a brutally slow start to watch... topped only by the tennessee game... seems like there are times when the players just hang back and watch the game happen around them and flip the switch to try and overcome thehole.

 

[sleepy dawg]

Personally, I wouldn't expect anything more out of next year than what happened this year. I think it is clear now that those early games really matter a lot. It seems the committee cares way more about the whole season now than they used to. Us losing the first game of the season meant more than beating Vandy in the second to last game we played it seems.

 

[Sutterkane]

The first one will be prior to Sidney playing. Backups in parenthesis when they need a blow

1: Dee (Twanny until he gets hurt, then Bryant)
2: Phil (Benock/Smith)
3: Ravern (Osby)
4: Kodi (Osby/Lewis)
5: Bailey (Lewis)

As we've seen in the past Stans usually takes care of his veteran players, so he'll at least give Bailey a shot early and of course start Ravern, Phil, and Kodi. This lineup will be 3 seniors and 2 juniors, so on paper it looks like a lot of experience, and it is, but there are a lot of questions defesively, which usually isn't a problem by the time you get to your senior/junior year. I'd expect Lewis to either nut up or shut up during the first 9 games. We will get to see if he is going to be a factor during his time at state or not. I'm not sure what to make of Osby. To me, he doesn't play like a big guy most of the time he's in there. He doesn't use his size to push people around and get rebounds. He's listed at 6'8 but I'd bet he's probably 6'6 with his shoes off. He's simply a SF that's oversized and clumsy, and not a rebounding machine. Kodi will get some time at the 5 too, and I'm actually comfortable with that. He needs to be the 17ing man next year and play and act like it. I have no problems with Phil at the 2, but he needs to stop taking retarded 3 point shots, especially early in the possession. I think he tightens up his defense next year and becomes our best on-ball defender.

We'll drop 2-3 nonconference games, at least 1 will be a bad loss. Not sure what UCLA looks like next year.

After suspension is over

1: Dee (Bryant, because Twanny is hurt by now)
2: Phil (Benock)
3: Ravern (Smith)
4: Kodi (Osby/Lewis)
5: Sidney (Lewis)

The SEC:
East:
UK will probably reload thanks to Cal even with Wall, Cousins, Patterson, and maybe Bledsoe leaving
Florida returns everybody and will be pretty damn good.
UT loses Prince and Chism, big losses but they'll still be pretty good
Vandy gets everyone back except Ogilvy, I think he goes in the draft, and Beal who is a senior, they take a step down.
Georgia returns a lot and will be much improved. Might end up better than Vandy.
South Carolina will be completely rebuilding and will be one of the worst in the league.

West:
The west will be awful again next year.

Ole Miss returns a lot. They will make the tournament next year or Kennedy is gone.
Arkansas will finally get their stuff together next year under Pelphrey. Should be at worst a bubble team; if not look for changes the year after.
Bama will be better next year
LSU was just awful this year and they are losing their best player. Hard to justify moving them up higher.
Auburn - new coach, new arena, losing tay waller = complete unknown and probably very shaky.

We should sweep Auburn and LSU, no excuses. I think we split with the rest. We'll go 11-5 with losses to UK, UT, and UGA in the East. We never play well at UT and UGA will be our question mark road loss. I'll say 11-2 in the OOC and a conference tourney win over UGA in a rematch on neutral court. That's 24-8.

 

[Wethydrant]

Might wanna check your math again. Losses to UT, UK, UGA, UA, OM, and Ark. will put us at 10-6 not 11-5. On paper, this year looked like the year we would be elite...didn't happen. Next year, it looks more realistic to be mediocre....we will probably be awesome! Strange how that works out sometimes, but it can happen.<div>
</div><div>Maybe we should go try to steal recruit Shawn Kemp from AU since Lebo got canned. He is a decent 6-9 C/PF prospect who could be useful next year down low.</div><div>
</div><div>Or, if Pelphrey gets canned, go hard after Marvell Waithe. A 6-9 Juco PF who possibly could play in the Vincent role.</div><div>
</div><div>BTW, will Rick ever break out the 1-2-1-1 half-court press ever again just for a change-up?</div>

 

[ImHurtinLinda]

"while MSU's RPI and SOS was really good during the 10-11 season, they just didn't play well down the stretch"---committee chair