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2021 PGA Championship: The Ocean Course

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cawoodsct

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I have been going to Kiawah since 1986. I suggest it for any family.


Ocean Course: Pete Dye design
Cougar Point: Gary Player design
Turtle Point: Jack Nicklaus design
Osprey Point: Tom Fazio design
Cassique: Tom Watson design
The River Course: Tom Fazio
Oak Pointe:Clyde Johnson

Ryder Cup 1991. The War by the Shore





2012 PGA



 
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gamecockcat

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I just remember Mark Calcavecchia crying after his RC match. Also fanning one straight into the ocean on #17. The two memories might be related.
 
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Tskware

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I have played all of them except for the River course, but the best course in the area is Brier's Creek just outside of Kiawah. One of the best courses I ever played, owned by the guy that used to own the Houston Texans I think
 
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cawoodsct

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We get our first live from today at noon on the golf channel if you want to watch from work. Here are the live from times before tourney starts.


Monday
Noon-2PM: Live From the PGA Championship (Click here to watch)
7-9PM: Live From the PGA Championship (Click here to watch)

Tuesday
9AM-6PM: Live From the PGA Championship (Click here to watch)
7-9PM: Live From the PGA Championship (Click here to watch)

Wednesday
9AM-6PM: Live From the PGA Championship (Click here to watch)
7-9PM: Live From the PGA Championship (Click here to watch)
 
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Lord Z

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I've got Bryson. Time for the big fella to flex.

For a wild dark horse I'll take Harry Higgs because he DGAF.
 
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cawoodsct

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2021 PGA Championship odds​

Rory McIlroy 10-1
Dustin Johnson 12-1
Jon Rahm 12-1
Justin Thomas 14-1
Bryson DeChambeau 14-1
Jordan Spieth 16-1
Xander Schauffele 16-1
Brooks Koepka 20-1
Collin Morikawa 22-1
Viktor Hovland 25-1
Hideki Matsuyama 25-1
Patrick Cantlay 28-1
Daniel Berger 33-1
Tyrrell Hatton 33-1
Webb Simpson 33-1
Patrick Reed 33-1
Tony Finau 33-1
Will Zalatoris 40-1
Justin Rose 40-1
Tommy Fleetwood 40-1
Cameron Smith 40-1
Scottie Scheffler 45-1
Louis Oosthuizen 50-1
Matthew Fitzpatrick 50-1
Jason Day 50-1
Paul Casey 50-1
Abraham Ancer 50-1
Sung-Jae Im 60-1
Joaquin Niemann 60-1
Adam Scott 60-1
Gary Woodland 66-1
Matthew Wolff 66-1
Shane Lowry 66-1
Sergio Garcia 66-1
Marc Leishman 66-1
Harris English 66-1
Corey Conners 66-1
Sam Burns 66-1
Brian Harman 80-1
Max Homa 80-1
Garrick Higgo 80-1
Lee Westwood 80-1
Bubba Watson 80-1
Si-Woo Kim 80-1
Francesco Molinari 90-1
Billy Horschel 100-1
Matt Wallace 100-1
Rickie Fowler 100-1
Matt Kuchar 100-1
Keegan Bradley 100-1
Cameron Champ 100-1
Robert Macintyre 125-1
Kevin Kisner 125-1
Branden Grace 125-1
Jason Kokrak 125-1
Martin Kaymer 125-1
Christiaan Bezuidenhout 125-1
Kevin Na 125-1
Matt Jones 125-1
Henrik Stenson 125-1
Ian Poulter 125-1
Brendon Todd 125-1
Phil Mickelson 125-1
Sebastian Munoz 150-1
Brandt Snedeker 150-1
Alex Noren 150-1
Bernd Wiesberger 150-1
Thomas Pieters 150-1
Stewart Cink 150-1
Victor Perez 150-1
Zach Johnson 150-1
John Catlin 150-1
Mackenzie Hughes 150-1
Danny Willett 150-1
Byeong Hun An 150-1
Rasmus Hojgaard 150-1
Dylan Frittelii 175-1
Rafa Cabrera Bello 175-1
Matthias Schwab 200-1
Thomas Detry 200-1
Ryan Palmer 200-1
Joel Dahmen 200-1
Hudson Swafford 200-1
Thorbjorn Olesen 200-1
Kevin Streelman 200-1
Padraig Harrington 200-1
Tom Lewis 200-1
Adam Hadwin 200-1
Erik van Rooyen 200-1
Chez Reavie 200-1
Carlos Ortiz 200-1
Lanto Griffin 200-1
Charles Howell 250-1
Jimmy Walker 250-1
Martin Laird 250-1
Andy Sullivan 250-1
Sam Horsfield 250-1
Jason Dufner 250-1
Graeme McDowell 250-1
Omar Uresti 300-1
Jim Herman 400-1
Brian Gay 400-1
Vijay Singh 500-1
Davis Love 500-1
Y.E. Yang 500-1
Rich Been 1000-1
Shaun Micheel 1000-1
John Daly 1000-1
 
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Tskware

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Any of those guys between 16-28 to 1 seem like good value to me.

Who in their right mind would bet on past PGA champions like Daly, Dufner, Davis Love, YE Yang, et al?? Some random club pro has as much chance of winning.
 
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ukalumni00

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It’s a weird course in the sense that is fairly easy when calm but once the wind gets going it becomes the hardest course you will ever play. The guy who can control the ball this weekend when the winds pick up will win.
 
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Tskware

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ukalumni00 said:
It’s a weird course in the sense that is fairly easy when calm but once the wind gets going it becomes the hardest course you will ever play. The guy who can control the ball this weekend when the winds pick up will win.
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I think I have played it three times, all in warm weather without a lot of wind, and agree with you. I have definitely played harder courses (Valhalla, for one).

But I have never played OC in heavy wind, but can see it would be an entirely different experience then.
 
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ukalumni00

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Tskware said:
I think I have played it three times, all in warm weather without a lot of wind, and agree with you. I have definitely played harder courses (Valhalla, for one).

But I have never played OC in heavy wind, but can see it would be an entirely different experience then.
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I have played it 3 times. Shot a 78 on a calm day and in the 90's in windy conditions. Friend of mine who used to play on tour recently played a 2 day outing there and shot a 67 and an 82 the next day when it got windy. It's that crazy of a course. Reason I am not going to put much stock into whoever is leading going into the weekend if the winds pick up like they predict. Not only will it require great ball striking but it is going to affect putts as well. Whoever adjusts the best will win it. I like Justin Thomas if he brings his A game.
 
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1977 Cat

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Use to go visit my daughter when she was a student at South Carolina and would generally spend time at Kiawah and came to the conclusion that the Ocean Course is to hard for me. Remember telling my wife I did not enjoy myself.
 
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TCPUKChamps

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Thursday, May 20: 1-7 p.m. (ESPN)
Friday, May 21: 1-7 p.m. (ESPN)
Saturday, May 22: 10 a.m.-1 p.m. (ESPN); 1-7 p.m. (CBS)
Sunday, May 23: 10 a.m.-1 p.m. (ESPN); 1-7 p.m. (CBS)

What is this 9 hours of TV coverage in a single day? Didn't know golf tournaments were allowed to do that.
 
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Lord Z

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cawoodsct said:

2021 PGA Championship odds​

Rory McIlroy 10-1
Dustin Johnson 12-1
Jon Rahm 12-1
Justin Thomas 14-1
Bryson DeChambeau 14-1
Jordan Spieth 16-1
Xander Schauffele 16-1
Brooks Koepka 20-1
Collin Morikawa 22-1
Viktor Hovland 25-1
Hideki Matsuyama 25-1
Patrick Cantlay 28-1
Daniel Berger 33-1
Tyrrell Hatton 33-1
Webb Simpson 33-1
Patrick Reed 33-1
Tony Finau 33-1
Will Zalatoris 40-1
Justin Rose 40-1
Tommy Fleetwood 40-1
Cameron Smith 40-1
Scottie Scheffler 45-1
Louis Oosthuizen 50-1
Matthew Fitzpatrick 50-1
Jason Day 50-1
Paul Casey 50-1
Abraham Ancer 50-1
Sung-Jae Im 60-1
Joaquin Niemann 60-1
Adam Scott 60-1
Gary Woodland 66-1
Matthew Wolff 66-1
Shane Lowry 66-1
Sergio Garcia 66-1
Marc Leishman 66-1
Harris English 66-1
Corey Conners 66-1
Sam Burns 66-1
Brian Harman 80-1
Max Homa 80-1
Garrick Higgo 80-1
Lee Westwood 80-1
Bubba Watson 80-1
Si-Woo Kim 80-1
Francesco Molinari 90-1
Billy Horschel 100-1
Matt Wallace 100-1
Rickie Fowler 100-1
Matt Kuchar 100-1
Keegan Bradley 100-1
Cameron Champ 100-1
Robert Macintyre 125-1
Kevin Kisner 125-1
Branden Grace 125-1
Jason Kokrak 125-1
Martin Kaymer 125-1
Christiaan Bezuidenhout 125-1
Kevin Na 125-1
Matt Jones 125-1
Henrik Stenson 125-1
Ian Poulter 125-1
Brendon Todd 125-1
Phil Mickelson 125-1
Sebastian Munoz 150-1
Brandt Snedeker 150-1
Alex Noren 150-1
Bernd Wiesberger 150-1
Thomas Pieters 150-1
Stewart Cink 150-1
Victor Perez 150-1
Zach Johnson 150-1
John Catlin 150-1
Mackenzie Hughes 150-1
Danny Willett 150-1
Byeong Hun An 150-1
Rasmus Hojgaard 150-1
Dylan Frittelii 175-1
Rafa Cabrera Bello 175-1
Matthias Schwab 200-1
Thomas Detry 200-1
Ryan Palmer 200-1
Joel Dahmen 200-1
Hudson Swafford 200-1
Thorbjorn Olesen 200-1
Kevin Streelman 200-1
Padraig Harrington 200-1
Tom Lewis 200-1
Adam Hadwin 200-1
Erik van Rooyen 200-1
Chez Reavie 200-1
Carlos Ortiz 200-1
Lanto Griffin 200-1
Charles Howell 250-1
Jimmy Walker 250-1
Martin Laird 250-1
Andy Sullivan 250-1
Sam Horsfield 250-1
Jason Dufner 250-1
Graeme McDowell 250-1
Omar Uresti 300-1
Jim Herman 400-1
Brian Gay 400-1
Vijay Singh 500-1
Davis Love 500-1
Y.E. Yang 500-1
Rich Been 1000-1
Shaun Micheel 1000-1
John Daly 1000-1
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No odds on Harry Higgs?

Stewart Cink at 150-1 is attractive to me on that list.
 
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cawoodsct

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Live From on golf channel now. I hope it blows this week for the guys but it doesn't look too bad at the moment.

 
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I don't recall all of the exact numbers, but in 1983, there was what at the time was about a 10-year home for sale on the beach for about $500k to $600k ... I don't recall the exact amount ... it sold in around 2010 for about $4M and the owner tore the house down and rebuilt a new house on the same lot ... A home on that same street on the oceanfront would cost between $10 and 20M today.. Wish I would have had funds back in 1983.
 
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Lord Z

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1977 Cat said:
Dan Moreno sat at the table next to me while my wife and I were having dinner at Kiawah.
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I would have taken every opportunity to work in the words "super" and "bowl" at the table.

If you could pass me that bowl it would be super. I've always wanted that but never been able to get it. I had one opportunity but missed it years ago.
 
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1977 Cat

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Lord Z said:
I would have taken every opportunity to work in the words "super" and "bowl" at the table.

If you could pass me that bowl it would be super. I've always wanted that but never been able to get it. I had one opportunity but missed it years ago.
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My SEC championship ring has always been enough for me!
 
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cawoodsct

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The Ocean Course truth: if the wind isn’t up it can be had.

BUT: if the wind is up it’s a top 3 hardest course in America.

(I don’t think we will get the brutal wind and I think the guys will take it into low double digits)
 
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mash_24

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Tough one to pick.
Winner - Cam Smith
Dark Horses - Charlie Hoffman & Keegan Bradley
Surprising missed cut - Spieth
 
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Lord Z

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Course is crazy long so it should be a big hitter that wins it but that logic doesn't pan out most of the time. Anyway, that's why I picked Bryson.
 
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Glenn's Take

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Going to play some rounds on Tiger 2014 to familiarize myself with the course better.

I'm going out on a limb and picking Finau.
 
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