2025-26 PSU MBB Thread

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Like I said, the composition of this roster is not just based on NIL. I am an undergraduate of Duquesne so I follow them. This season, they are a mid-level, above .500 Atlantic 10 school and actually have improved as this season has progressed. Duquesne, of course, is a small Catholic school that probably doesn't have much NIL to offer, and certainly they aren't even in the same ball park as PSU. However, IMO, Duquesne has a better roster than PSU, and that's just unacceptable when you consider the resources that both of these schools have.
I know nothing about Duquense basketball but based on your post I am pretty confident they could beat Penn State in say a 7 game series (probably would not go 7 games either). That is unacceptable, no doubt.
 

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Interesting and that is discussing specific basketball or in this case football strategy. I want Kraft out there for a broader reason on how best to run a basketball program in the NIL era when you have a limited budget. I would think he could get meetings with the Iowa and Wisconsin, etc ADs, for example. It is not like they are or would give away confidential trade secrets about players or recruits or portal targets or training tips or game plans, etc. that would put them at a competitive disadvantage. This would be at a program management level. He could use these insights as a foundation to go find the right coach.

What is the book?
The book is entitled “Wishbone: Oklahoma Football 1959-1985” by Wann Smith. I just finished it and it is an extremely well written history of OU football from the end of the Bud Wilkinson era to the end of the Barry Switzer era. I highly recommend it.

I was a Billy Sims fan and Oklahoma always has been sort of a second college football team for me, especially since I loved how they ran the wishbone. Moreover, in my lifetime, PSU only has played OU twice, so it’s not like they’re rivals or bitter enemies.
 
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Duquesne is a team made up of mostly jr/sr/ grad transfers and then some euro bigs and a couple hs recruits. Similar to the last tourney team PSU had, old and experienced
 

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Duquesne is a team made up of mostly jr/sr/ grad transfers and then some euro bigs and a couple hs recruits. Similar to the last tourney team PSU had, old and experienced
The point is that a small Catholic school in Pittsburgh was able to cobble together a team that is competitive in a decent Mid Major league and probably is better by several grades than a Big 10 school with infinitely more resources. You have to ask yourself how that happened, and how did that Big 10 team, which actually made the Big 10 Championship game and won a NCAA Tournament game the season before the current coach took over, become the worst Power 4 or 5 program in the country.
 

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Rhoades needs to be fired. There is no way you can keep him except if Mingo stays and he can pull off a miracle in the portal. The problem is can we fire him after that if all that does not happen or is it too late by then and we are stuck with him and another 1-19 or best case 2-18 conf record?

I think we just need to reset but if the program does not have a lot of money which judging from the athletic dept financials that were posted here we don't then we may need to keep him.

Penn State basketball does not have an identity. We need to model the program after Iowa or Wisconsin. Look at Iowa. How much do they spend in NIL? Iowa State is like #3 in the country.

Kraft should spend a week visiting both schools talking to their AD and others involved in those programs to get some ideas. Also visit Wisconsin. Not sure these schools would be open to a visit like that but at least try.

Iowa has this guy Bennett Stirtz. Averages 20 points a game. He played at Drake last year and averaged about the same. Shoots 40% from 3. We have to find a guy like this and build a team of good shooters who want to play defense and do the dirty work like rebound. We need a guy like John Harrar in the worst way.

Rhoades does not know how to keep a team together nor how to build a cohesive team. He just collects players then they never improve as the season progresses. There have been injuries like last year and some this year but you have to be able to overcome that to some degree. The eye opener for me is the general lack of competitiveness. We have had some close games versus good teams but also numerous horrific blowout losses. Add to that we have absolutely no clue how to win games. None. We couldn't win a close game if our life depended on it. I am stunned we were able to win the Minny game. Just lucky and law of averages kicked in. Whatever it was it does not hide the fact that Rhoades rarely, rarely has his guys mentally ready to execute in crunch time. That is 100% on him and his coaching ability.

The more I think of it we can't be held hostage to Mingo. Do what is right for the program and clean house with the coaches. Mingo can do what he wants. Put together a good NIL deal for him but not excessive to the detriment of not being able to build around him. He is not irreplaceable.

We have to take this program seriously and invest in a coach who brings a strong identity from a Power 4 program. There have to be better options than what we

NIL made it worse, and there is no way they are going to pony up the $$ needed to get good players. The SEC used to be behind the ACC, BIG, Big 12, Big East and even PAC whatever when it still existed. Now they are the #1 conference in the country, and you wont see them backing down anytime soon. Hell, people are bitching that PSU can't get top FB guys due to lower NIL than the top FB schools, no way will they get anywhere close to top guys for basketball.

They have to hope that a couple of these freshmen stay and develop and they can find a guy out of the portal like Pickett or Funk to add to the team. Mingo is probably gone so they will have an opportunity to get a decent PG from the portal but its going to have to be a guy from a lower conference who is happy with a reasonable NIL and knows they will get lots of playing time. His bro is trending to UNC now after their big win over Duke.

Blackwood, Juric, Tunca, Mirtic, Houser are the freshmen outside of Mingo. The first two are must keep, then if Dilione, Rice, one of the two other bigs stay you have 5 decent players. Tunca has not progressed but maybe he can, and Stewart is a kid I dont think brings much to the table. Jamison White is the only commit for 26 (6'7 F) and none of their other offers are interested so looks like it will be another year of portal guys to see if they can find some guys

I understand what you're saying about NIL, but there are a lot of schools that have less NIL money than PSU who are doing a much better job than what PSU is doing; I just think that NIL has become a convenient crutch to rationalize losing. PSU is not a pauper by any means. I mean, I'm sure that PSU has more NIL to spend than Miami (Ohio) and they've been ranked this season. Also, does Iowa have that much more to spend on their basketball program than PSU, which has a very good record this season? There are so many other examples. Also, in that sport, you really only need four or five so-called high-level players who can be surrounded with a bunch of grunts; you're not talking about having to stock a football team with 80 to 90 players. A good coach should be able to find four or five Big 10 caliber players within four hours' driving distance from PSU by just rolling out of bed; I mean, how many thousands of high school kids play high school basketball in PSU's footprint, many of whom are very talented, and they're all not going to Duke or UConn?

In the end, like I said, PSU has had many Big 10 seasons in which they won 7 to 9 conference games and actually beat teams like Illinois, MSU and Purdue, and also made the Big 10 Tournament Championship game twice; God, as recently as 2020, they were in first or second place in the Big 10 at some point in February. Even if PSU had no NIL to spend on basketball, which isn't the case, they should be able to put a more representative product on the court than what they have this season; this current team has an overall talent level that you would find on a mid-level Horizon League team.

In the end, this coach has failed to do whatever he set out to do in three seasons on the job. His biggest failing is basically losing whole teams to transfers at the end of each season and having to scramble to fill a whole roster. Obviously, as we've seen this season, it would be hard for any school to win like that, and especially a school like PSU that has no pedigree in this sport. Also, he did an absolutely terrible job with last season's team, which probably had enough talent to make the Tournament.
Boy, to bad we don’t have all Nebraskas positives in basketball
 

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Boy, to bad we don’t have all Nebraskas positives in basketball
Nebraska has had less success in basketball than PSU has had, but they were able to hire a coach who had coached at another major job and the rest is history. The thing is that once you get a program rolling like Hoiberg has done with Nebraska, it self perpetuates itself. That is what PSU never has been able to do since it began Big 10 play; perhaps it would’ve happened under Parkhill if he hadn’t unexpectedly resigned.

With the above said, Nebraska is in a slump now; I think that they’ve lost three of their last four games.
 
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Nebraska has had less success in basketball than PSU has had, but they were able to hire a coach who had coached at another major job and the rest is history. The thing is that once you get a program rolling like Hoiberg has done with Nebraska, it self perpetuates itself. That is what PSU never has been able to do since it began Big 10 play; perhaps it would’ve happened under Parkhill if he hadn’t unexpectedly resigned.

With the above said, Nebraska is in a slump now; I think that they’ve lost three of their last four games.
Yep, hired an NBA guy with a son who might play in the NBA, that makes getting the right guys there a whole lot easier.
 

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PSU doesn't their best to lose but wins anyway.

Mingo misses front end of 1-1
Reed illegally runs the baseline
Defender falls down with 0.5 seconds to give Washington an open 3.
 

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PSU doesn't their best to lose but wins anyway.

Mingo misses front end of 1-1
Reed illegally runs the baseline
Defender falls down with 0.5 seconds to give Washington an open 3.
Yeah we were lucky although the defender falling down looked like a push but nevertheless stay on your feet and play tough D with a strong contest. You can't fall down and give up a wide open 3 there.
 
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Yeah we were lucky although the defender falling down looked like a push but nevertheless stay on your feet and play tough D with a strong contest. You can't fall down and give up a wide open 3 there.
He did not fall. He was pushed. It appeared to be planned and it did give the player an open 3.
 

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He did not fall. He was pushed. It appeared to be planned and it did give the player an open 3.
It is hard to tell. He got so far in the guy's grill he did draw a little push but it was not that obvious. Also you need to give a little space I think. Then I think there was acting and flopping by our guy. They must have thought the ref was going to call that. Not a smart strategy as they should have simply played straight up tough D. Easily could have cost them the game.
 
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So much for carrying momentum into this one. I think Oregon shot 50% from 3. That is bad defense, yeah good shooing, but c'mon 50%? These lousy defensive efforts are on Rhoades and one of the things that will get him fired. Weak talent and lack of effort defensively is no way to go through a Big Ten hoops season.
 

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Bear with me, I'm a numbers guy. Checking out the NCAA team basketball stats,
Penn St is ranked 301 out of 365 schools listed for the highest opponent 3-point percentage made. Opponents make 43.3% of their 3-point shots. Way, way below the median. Last year the percentage was 38.3, which would rank them at 140, above the median.
Point: Pat, this defensive scheme is not working. It is terrible Make a change, please. The numbers dont lie.
 
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Bear with me, I'm a numbers guy. Checking out the NCAA team basketball stats,
Penn St is ranked 301 out of 365 schools listed for the highest opponent 3-point percentage made. Opponents make 43.3% of their 3-point shots. Way, way below the median. Last year the percentage was 38.3, which would rank them at 140, above the median.
Point: Pat, this defensive scheme is not working. It is terrible Make a change, please. The numbers dont lie.
It’s a bad defensive team. The euros are not known as defensively strong but these guys are below that. At least juric shows promise. Mingo is solid defensively but Dilione, rice and Stewart are below average to poor. They are not able to stay in front of guys and do not rotate well. Reed is fine but there is nothing off the bench either. There is very little toughness or desire to play D on the team
 
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So much for carrying momentum into this one. I think Oregon shot 50% from 3. That is bad defense, yeah good shooing, but c'mon 50%? These lousy defensive efforts are on Rhoades and one of the things that will get him fired. Weak talent and lack of effort defensively is no way to go through a Big Ten hoops season.
Actually 52%. Every time they doubled down on Bittle Oregon got the ball out to a wide open shooter. That's going to happen but you have to decide where you're going to take a chance with and who you simply cannot leave unguarded.
 
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Actually 52%. Every time they doubled down on Bittle Oregon got the ball out to a wide open shooter. That's going to happen but you have to decide where you're going to take a chance with and who you simply cannot leave unguarded.
And of course make Bittle look like Shaq and all their 3 point shooters shoot like Steph Curry. Just terrible defense. Unacceptable effort.

The BTen network analyst (forget his name) was talking about all the things you can do defensively to make the 3 harder to make like hand up, move fast to close out, etc. It is effort and we had none.
 
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And of course make Bittle look like Shaq and all their 3 point shooters shoot like Steph Curry. Just terrible defense. Unacceptable effort.

The BTen network analyst (forget his name) was talking about all the things you can do defensively to make the 3 harder to make like hand up, move fast to close out, etc. It is effort and we had none.
It makes one wonder whether Washington’s players threw the game on Wednesday night because it’s incomprehensible how this PSU team could win any Big 10 road game.
 

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And of course make Bittle look like Shaq and all their 3 point shooters shoot like Steph Curry. Just terrible defense. Unacceptable effort.

The BTen network analyst (forget his name) was talking about all the things you can do defensively to make the 3 harder to make like hand up, move fast to close out, etc. It is effort and we had none.
Our players are very slow in rotations and often times I think they are starting in poor defensive position. They know that they’re going to double when the ball gets into the post so if the ball is not on their side of the floor, they should be creating some space to be able to recover on ball rehearsals. It’s the old one pass away versus two pass away type thing, they’re glued to their guy and then when the double team comes it leaves someone open and nobody can get to them because they’re all 2 feet from their man instead of playing in a gap to cut the distance down.
 

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Our players are very slow in rotations and often times I think they are starting in poor defensive position. They know that they’re going to double when the ball gets into the post so if the ball is not on their side of the floor, they should be creating some space to be able to recover on ball rehearsals. It’s the old one pass away versus two pass away type thing, they’re glued to their guy and then when the double team comes it leaves someone open and nobody can get to them because they’re all 2 feet from their man instead of playing in a gap to cut the distance down.
I thought Rhoades was a good defensive coach. I think he is just out of his league in the B10. Got a job he ultimately was not qualified for. Some guys can make the leap from a lower division like Dusty May has done but Rhoades has not been able to.

The Penn State basketball head job is a tough one. You have to sell the program, be mentally tough to know that no one cares compared to football, wrestling and ice hockey along with the Xs and Os, portal, NIL management, etc. Cignetti did it in football but he had/has Mark Cuban. Not sure where we go from here but this is on Kraft to make a great hire. Kraft also has to figure out how to get more NIL flowing into the program.
 

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Not surprised that Mingo‘s younger brother chose Carolina, as he was definitely trending there after their upset over Duke. You’d have to think that younger brother will want to play with his older brother and the North Carolina would want to pair them up next season as well.
 

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Not surprised that Mingo‘s younger brother chose Carolina, as he was definitely trending there after their upset over Duke. You’d have to think that younger brother will want to play with his older brother and the North Carolina would want to pair them up next season as well.
Unless that was a sine qua non for him committing there, why would a program like UNC want his brother? Surely, they can do better.
 

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Unless that was a sine qua non for him committing there, why would a program like UNC want his brother? Surely, they can do better.
Maybe but it doesn't really matter as there are a lot of schools between Penn State and UNC who would be interested in the older Mingo. I highly doubt he sticks around. Kraft better have a good game plan here. No way Rhoades can be retained.
 
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