2025 Phillies Thread
- Thread starter Tom McAndrew
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Well, the good thing at least is that John Heyman is about as reliable as Desmond Howard. Heyman has often been the mouthpiece for agents to get their message out there. This sounds like Boras trying to plant some seed that Bryce is unhappy with the message as the trigger to get Harper some more $$. Unless I hear this from others and not Heyman, I pay no attention to this.
Bryce has not “earned” more money
He can be pissed all he wants for all I care
Go out and be a leader and then talk to me about more money
I understand the other side but the Phillies have a number of assumed revenue for each additional butt in a seat. For the first year Bryce signed, attendance went up by over 1 million. If you attribute that increase to Harper signing, the additional revenue of 1 million additional people is staggering.
The issue then becomes that additional revenue is only generated by increases in ticket cost, concession increases, and television or advertising revenue. The Phillies haven’t materially increased attendance since they pack the Money Pit game on game, year on year. But you still can say that attendance is maintained because of Harper and the revenue is maintained as a result.
I fully understand the position but the Phillies have made a ridiculous return over what they have paid to Harper since he signed. Harper knows his salary ranking as well as the return he’s generated. He has outperformed his contract to date. But I understand both sides of the coin.
Then why did he sign a 13 year guaranteed contract?
Isn’t that the classic rationale for a player opt-out clause after 3-4 years?
Bryce is a great player, but he can’t have things every way. And the Phillies took on risk on the back end of the contract.
Point taken. But Boras wouldn’t be doing his job if he simply accepted that Harper is now like 30th on AAV given the revenue he’s generated for the Phillies.
This is interesting. Harper has a lot of goodwill in the tank, and certainly a lot more than Dombrowski. It’s always that way with the superstar player and it’s amplified by the agent involved. The Schwarber contract story will allow this to take a back burner but this will be a storyline that returns in the spring and into the season.
Dombrowski is polished, this wasn’t a misfire. If he wanted to trade him, he would not say something that could be viewed to depress his value. If he wants to motivate Harper, he could have chosen a different route if he needed to do so at all. We will see.
Yeah, not a good look, in my opinion, for Bryce or Dombrowski. We’re all disappointed. It sucks but let’s not point fingers before the World Series even ends.
Everyone needs to go on vacation haha.
They do
But I’m kind of over Harper - he hasn’t been “elite” imo for several years
I know he wanted more money last year and it seemed to be bothering them that they didn’t extend it or increase the $$
He seems to hit a lot of HRs that aren’t crucial to the game - has bad base running tendencies- and just all in all doesn’t seem like a good leader.
I really wouldn’t be upset if they did trade him actually.
This team has some parallels with PSU in that it needs a refresh.
No team is taking Harper’s remaining contract given his recent play. Dombrowski went big for. 3-4 year window that just closed. Now his hands are tied financially.
It’s not impossible to fix, but will require threading the proverbial needle this offseason.
Just stay on the field and play better in the playoffs. Quit crying about getting more years on your contract.
They will start bitching for more money if they outplay their contract, but if they underplay it like, say, Casty, there’s no ratcheting it down - you’re stuck with the deal.
Weird how that works
This is why a lockout is almost a 100% certainty when the CBA expires. MLB owners put themselves over a barrel and can only look in the mirror.
MLB needs to look more like the NFL model, IMO.
MLB rumors: Phillies expected to have interest in bevy of free agents
Phillies fans should be prepared for their team to be the subject of constant free agent rumors this fall.
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Can they depend on him? The PED suspension really let the team down last season.
That's quite a homestand in July: Mets, Dodgers and Yankees.