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I cannot believe Spencer Steer is on this team right now. What a disservice to him, and to the franchise. He was supposed to be on the DL coming into the season. At the last minute, they decided to keep him on the roster, but only to DH. He's *clearly* injured, and has been absolutely horrible. Give him 2-3 weeks to get right. Call up somebody, anybody from Louisville.
Good call here. He's only hit .300 with three multi-hit games in the past week of games, and playing 1B since you made this ignorant statement.
 
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Some of these guys are going to cool off, but I’m convinced CES and McClain will be major contributors this season. Add in Lowder and we’re really cooking with gas.

Bandwagon’s full, though. All you doubters like M4 can suck it.

Does anyone else think that Trevino is going to be hard to dislodge from lineup when Stephenson gets back? He may well cool off (probably will) but has been a really bright spot so far.
 

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I'll give Martinez the credit he deserves after his best start all year tonight. He pitched a damn good game. Lux's bat came through, 3-4 at the moment.
He did do pretty good, but the defense was stellar and bailed him out a few times. None-the-less, I hope he can now ramp it up after his first win of the season.
 

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Good call here. He's only hit .300 with three multi-hit games in the past week of games, and playing 1B since you made this ignorant statement.

Which part was ignorant?

Here’s Terry Francona saying Steer will start the season on the IL:


He’s currently 152nd out of 165 qualified hitters in the NL in batting average. His versatility is limited because he hasn’t been able to throw, and he earned some time at first when CES hit the IL.

What are you arguing here? I love Spencer Steer, but he’s been hurt. He barely played this spring. He’s been a mess so far in 2025. You think he’s off to a great start? Hot take if so.
 
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Does anyone else think that Trevino is going to be hard to dislodge from lineup when Stephenson gets back? He may well cool off (probably will) but has been a really bright spot so far.

I love Trevino, and that was a huge pickup for essentially nothing. Love the extension, too. He’s as good of a backup catcher as you can find. Given how good Stephenson is offensively, this gives the Reds the option to use him at DH and to save his body for the long haul. You could certainly see him catching < 100 games even if fully healthy. Just a huge W for Nick Krall.
 
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- I don't like calling Marte or Benson back up to the big league club this soon. I know the organization doesn't say it like this out loud, but those guys deserve a little punishment for their awful performances in 2024. And 10 games isn't long enough.
Here's another beaut. Still think they should be punishing Noelvi Marte? How many games did you have in mind here?
 
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Which part was ignorant?

Here’s Terry Francona saying Steer will start the season on the IL:


He’s currently 152nd out of 165 qualified hitters in the NL in batting average. His versatility is limited because he hasn’t been able to throw, and he earned some time at first when CES hit the IL.

What are you arguing here? I love Spencer Steer, but he’s been hurt. He barely played this spring. He’s been a mess so far in 2025. You think he’s off to a great start? Hot take if so.
Just pointing out what a flaming hypocrite you are justifying your whining, while slamming others for criticizing when you do your fair share of bitching. Steer has played 1B, hit .300 over the last week of games, with 3 multi-hit games starting the very next day after your ignorant post. It's okay for you to whine about Steer showing signs of coming around, and no one else has that right. It is a joke to say he is a disservice to the Reds, and should be off the team when he started to come around back in the Giants series on the road, and played 1B ever since the Orioles series before you made this bold statement. Seems like they know more than you do by letting Steer work through his slump, and called up Noelvi Marte at just the right time.
 
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Does anyone else think that Trevino is going to be hard to dislodge from lineup when Stephenson gets back? He may well cool off (probably will) but has been a really bright spot so far.
Even when Trevino does cool off with his bat, still talking about one of the best backstops in the game which is what the Reds brought him in for. Saw a stat that says he is 2nd in defensive runs saved since 2022. Saving Stephenson's knees on a routine basis at DH, plus Austin Wynns hot streak gives them some viable options at DH. Even great catchers like Salvador Perez now, Buster Posey, Joe Mauer would play 1B, and Johnny Bench took the field at 1B/3B towards the end of his Reds career.
 
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Here's another beaut. Still think they should be punishing Noelvi Marte? How many games did you have in mind here?

Yes. Noelvi Marte *really* hurt the club last year with getting busted with PEDs. As he came back, he basically struggled everywhere he played: minor leagues, Dominican Winter league, Spring Training, etc. I love what he's doing right now, though. He's reminding us all of why he was once a top-25 overall prospect. I sure as hell hope it lasts, because he's clearly got a ton of talent.
 
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They brought in Francona on a three year deal. That tells me that's the front Offices window of time to try and make a deep playoff run before most of these guys become unaffordable and they have to sell off the roster.
 
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Here's another beaut. Still think they should be punishing Noelvi Marte? How many games did you have in mind here?
Benson just needs to be cut. He can't hit Big League pitching consistently. I think Marte is finally getting beyond his issues and playing like the high level prospect he was supposed to be before his suspension. How long it lasts is yet to be seen, he's going to come back to earth eventually, but still glad they didn't give up on him just yet. I think his performance last year had some wondering just how much affect whatever juice he was taking had on his game.
 
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They brought in Francona on a three year deal. That tells me that's the front Offices window of time to try and make a deep playoff run before most of these guys become unaffordable and they have to sell off the roster.
Ideally when that time comes, they will have the likes of Alfredo Duno at catcher, Hector Rodriguez as an outfielder. Plenty of infield options like Tyson Lewis at SS, 3B Collier, 2B Sal Stewart. They might consider shifting some of the other infielders like Stafura to transition to the OF like they did with Rece Hinds, Carlos Jorge and Tyler Callihan. I'm not really worried about this organization's pitching depth. It has been good, and well-coached at the MLB level with Derek Johnson.

Also, once they are done trading, the prospects in return could be the 1B, and a couple more outfielders to round out that roster if the prospects I mentioned above are the next core to build around. The Reds may still hold onto one of their current players on a long term extension. It seems like they will make one position player like Votto, and give out one big contract to a pitcher as they did with Homer. Hoping that will be a 2nd extension on Hunter Greene. If he's too expensive, Lowder and Burns will likely be aces too.
 
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Benson just needs to be cut. He can't hit Big League pitching consistently. I think Marte is finally getting beyond his issues and playing like the high level prospect he was supposed to be before his suspension. How long it lasts is yet to be seen, he's going to come back to earth eventually, but still glad they didn't give up on him just yet. I think his performance last year had some wondering just how much affect whatever juice he was taking had on his game.
They were right to not give up on Noelvi Marte. I'm glad to see his success since he was called back to the Major Leagues, and giving the Reds production in the lineup. Much better defensively. Tatis is a prime example of a player that bounced back. He has put up good numbers after his suspension. Tatis even completed the transition from SS to RF for the Padres that was started prior to the suspension.
 

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Chase Petty with the MLB debut today in a spot start. He’s actually younger than Chase Burns, and just cracked the top 100 prospect list. He’s actually younger was they key to the Sonny Gray trade. Not sure what to make of him, as he’s had an up and down MILB career. But he’s talented, for sure.

Tyler Callihan with the callup as well. He’s been on fire the past year, and can play all over. I’m not particularly high on him, but he’s talented certainly fills a need.
 

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Ideally when that time comes, they will have the likes of Alfredo Duno at catcher, Hector Rodriguez as an outfielder. Plenty of infield options like Tyson Lewis at SS, 3B Collier, 2B Sal Stewart. They might consider shifting some of the other infielders like Stafura to transition to the OF like they did with Rece Hinds, Carlos Jorge and Tyler Callihan. I'm not really worried about this organization's pitching depth. It has been good, and well-coached at the MLB level with Derek Johnson.

Also, once they are done trading, the prospects in return could be the 1B, and a couple more outfielders to round out that roster if the prospects I mentioned above are the next core to build around. The Reds may still hold onto one of their current players on a long term extension. It seems like they will make one position player like Votto, and give out one big contract to a pitcher as they did with Homer. Hoping that will be a 2nd extension on Hunter Greene. If he's too expensive, Lowder and Burns will likely be aces too.
Hunter Greene's locked up for another 5 years or so isn't he? I'd like to see how he holds up long term before I extend beyond that. He's been great, but also injury prone and is operating with a surgically repaired elbow. He's learned how to back off the heat and expand his arsenal, which will help his longevity, but with how injury prone pitchers are these days, I was even a bit skeptical of the six year deal they inked him to. I'm absolutely all for them doing what's necessary to keep him around for the long haul, but want to get through 3-4 seasons of healthy and quality pitching before extending him further. I agree they have some quality players down in the minors, that will make moving some of the current players down the road more palatable, and hopefully will get quality prospects in return for what they trade off down the road. to keep at least a semi-competitive cycle going. I really don't want them back where they were a few years ago or in a place similar to the White Sox or Rockies are right now.
 
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Hunter Greene's locked up for another 5 years or so isn't he? I'd like to see how he holds up long term before I extend beyond that. He's been great, but also injury prone and is operating with a surgically repaired elbow. He's learned how to back off the heat and expand his arsenal, which will help his longevity, but with how injury prone pitchers are these days, I was even a bit skeptical of the six year deal they inked him to. I'm absolutely all for them doing what's necessary to keep him around for the long haul, but want to get through 3-4 seasons of healthy and quality pitching before extending him further. I agree they have some quality players down in the minors, that will make moving some of the current players down the road more palatable, and hopefully will get quality prospects in return for what they trade off down the road. to keep at least a semi-competitive cycle going. I really don't want them back where they were a few years ago or in a place similar to the White Sox or Rockies are right now.
It was a team friendly deal, and Cincinnati was fortunate to extend one of the games best pitchers. Even with the risks involved on a long term first extension. The Reds aren't looking to extend him in 2025. 3 years, followed by a club option is what he has left on the contract before the Reds have to act. They aren't be going to be giving him the extension this year on top of one just handed out in 2023. Revisit it when the time comes. If the Reds think they will have to trade him, it would likely be at some point in the deal where the trading team would still have team control for a better return like Castillo having another year in arbitration before the trade. This isn't anything the Reds will have to be worried about anytime soon.
 
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The most annoying thing about all of the convoluted blackout crap is that if I'm not at my house and try to watch the Reds on my phone, there's about a 50% chance it'll be blacked out, even though I'm subscribed to watch it the way our overlords demand.

Alexis Diaz... woof.
 
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It looks like the Cards may Chase Petty from the game if they keep hitting in the third like they have the first 2 innings.


Edited: Well, you can close the book on Petty. Geez.
 
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Suter was able to come in and gave up 1 hit over 3 2/3. Easily Lyon Richardson's best game in the big leagues with 3 clean innings. EDLC hit streak to a career-high 14 games. Hopefully they can split the series tomorrow afternoon.
 

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If all goes well, Luis Mey will be a closer in the future. Pagan has done a great job as the closer this season.


 

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Diaz needs to join Benson and Candelario in minors. What does it cost to release someone like Diaz or Candelario? I assume they just have to eat the entire contract.
 
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Diaz needs to join Benson and Candelario in minors. What does it cost to release someone like Diaz or Candelario? I assume they just have to eat the entire contract.


Baseball gets complicated with this stuff, and unless I hear it from a trusted source, I'm always confused. But Diaz does have options, meaning the Reds can just send him down to the minors and call him back whenever. Candelario definitely does not. The big difference is Candy has > 5 years of service, whereas Diaz doesn't. Candy can only get sent down if he is willing to do so (which is why he got put on the phantom IL, and sent down for a "rehab assignment"). If the Reds cut him, they owe him every bit of his contract, and he's now a free agent.

With Diaz, I think if they Reds cut him, he can be signed by another team, and that team can eat/offset his salary. Feel free to double check my work on that.

But the TLDR is --> they're F'd if they cut Candy, and it's no big deal if they cut Diaz.
 
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3 clean innings, 4 K's from Ashcraft coming in after the rain delay. Trevino still giving this team some offense with a home run, and Steer 2 hits, both with their 3rd home runs this season. Marte with 2 hits, RBI single now. Espinal with his 2nd hit driving in 2 on a single. 8-1 Reds. Love to see it.
 
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9-1 Reds. Mey is electric blowing by hitters with this fastball sitting in the high 90s, touched 100 a couple of times and topped out at 101 on the radar gun. 35 straight outs by the bullpen.
 

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Baseball gets complicated with this stuff, and unless I hear it from a trusted source, I'm always confused. But Diaz does have options, meaning the Reds can just send him down to the minors and call him back whenever. Candelario definitely does not. The big difference is Candy has > 5 years of service, whereas Diaz doesn't. Candy can only get sent down if he is willing to do so (which is why he got put on the phantom IL, and sent down for a "rehab assignment"). If the Reds cut him, they owe him every bit of his contract, and he's now a free agent.

With Diaz, I think if they Reds cut him, he can be signed by another team, and that team can eat/offset his salary. Feel free to double check my work on that.

But the TLDR is --> they're F'd if they cut Candy, and it's no big deal if they cut Diaz.
How are they F'd if they cut Candy? Unless there's some unusual provision to his contract, the Reds pay him the same, if they cut him or play him. They're F'd either way, in other words. But moreso if he keeps batting under the Mendoza line. He's a financial liability either way, but not an on field liability if he's off the team.
 

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How are they F'd if they cut Candy? Unless there's some unusual provision to his contract, the Reds pay him the same, if they cut him or play him. They're F'd either way, in other words. But moreso if he keeps batting under the Mendoza line. He's a financial liability either way, but not an on field liability if he's off the team.


I mean they're F'd in that they owe Candelario every single penny of his contract, AND he's free to go sign elsewhere.

With Diaz, I *think* when another team picks him up (and they will), then the Reds are off the hook for a portion of his salary. Again, feel free to fact check me there. But I get your point. Candy sucks.
 
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Trading Diaz for Mey has to be a 1000% improvement in the bullpen.
Absolutely! Good move here to bring up Mey now with this impressive debut. Wouldn't mind to see Lyon Richardson back at some point, but I understand why they sent him down for Zulueta to have fresh arms in the pen right now with the next off day on May 12th. Richardson, Ashcraft and Suter picking up multiple innings is a luxury. Even Spiers at some point when he is healthy would be another option here to eat some innings and keep the bullpen rested throughout the year.
 
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Stephenson already making an impact at DH with a 2-run double. Espinal with one in the 1st. Hitting .400 with RISP.
 
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Jim Day 's report sounded like Hays could be back by next weekend's series with Houston. Good to see Steer tie it up with the 2-run double. Outstanding start by Greene last night. Keeping Espinal's hot bat in the lineup, playing 3B tonight and Stephenson's first start at catcher. Callihan's first hit drives in Fraley for a run.
 
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Nice of the ump to give them that baserunner. Defense sucked tonight. Gore will shut them down tomorrow and they’ll lose a series to the Nationals. Yikes
 

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Jim Day 's report sounded like Hays could be back by next weekend's series with Houston. Good to see Steer tie it up with the 2-run double. Outstanding start by Greene last night. Keeping Espinal's hot bat in the lineup, playing 3B tonight and Stephenson's first start at catcher. Callihan's first hit drives in Fraley for a run.
Is Hays going to be on the IR half the time? Damn, need him back.
 
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Is Hays going to be on the IR half the time? Damn, need him back.
Yes they definitely need his presence back in the lineup soon. The Reds are a much better hitting team with his bat in the outfield. Espinal has been hot at the plate, but he is no right fielder. Glad to hear Day's report about Lowder begins a rehab assignment Tuesday.
 
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