2026 NCAA Championship Session IV Thread

Junglekat

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Question for Tom: In a tournament in OT, for pinning combination, is't the ref required to wait until the combination is no longer in danger of pinning - I thought that how it worked in the Bouzakis match earlier. But PSU has to wrestle by different rules?
Opponent has to be in criteria for the match to continue. Even if the pinning combination is still being held, once opponent comes out of criteria, match is stopped.
 
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You have a cradle locked up, the ref calls a TD, match over. How is that reviewable?! If the ref lets them continue to wrestle, he probably takes him to his back. Just horrible!!!

The Ref sucked all around - no stall on Robideau despite zero shots in 8 minutes of Neutral wrestling.... then calls a TD when a wrestler has a pinning combination takedown locked - it's protocol that the Official is supposed to give the Offensive wrestler a chance to complete the pin before stopping the match. But the Review Officials should never have reversed a locked pinning combination winning TD on a horsecrap "reaction time" claim (Duke had complete control of Robideau - claiming that putting your hand on someone's thigh AFTER they have a locked cradle breaks the Offensive wrestler's "control" is beyond laughable and typical of the silly Folk nonsense, non-wrestling ruling) - that is complete & utter bs.
 

Hotshoe

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You have a cradle locked up, the ref calls a TD, match over. How is that reviewable?! If the ref lets them continue to wrestle, he probably takes him to his back. Just horrible!!!
It actually isn't. It's either a td, or you allow the forthcoming pin. It was absolute ********. But hey, refs know everything and can never be questioned. F them. Dude never did anything the entire match, when it mattered, he was getting decked. There is ZERO explaining the stoppage. I've had enough of the ******** excuses for refs. This is the single greatest travesty I've ever witnessed in wrestling.
 

razpsu

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Ok Levi. Bring it from the first period. Take down and ride him out. Don’t play the let’s go to it Iowa way of wrestling game. Kick his ***!!
 
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johnstownsteel

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He should have been immediately escorted from the property. The reviewers aren't to blame. They cant fix the mat official stopping action when a kid has a pinning combo in.
Btw, I'd like to Blame those in the replay booth reviewing the call but since I have no idea what a TD is anymore, how can I question them saying it wasn't a TD.

This is where we are at now fans of the sport ...
 

Nitlion1986

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@OhioLion -- the Quote function is not always working for me (too many windows opened, which is taxing the memory).

But to answer your question:

As I wrote, in my quick review I thought it was a TD, but the ref called it really early, and Robideau grabbed a leg just as the TD was whistled.

So it goes back to whether the review panel thought control was established. Duke had a cradle while Robideau had a leg, then Robideau lost the leg for a sec or two, then he got it back. The mat ref probably wishes he hadn't called it so early, though in SV, you are supposed to call it as soon as you think points are scored.

In looking at it again on replay, I'm not all that surprised it was overturned. Control wasn't established long enough. Would Duke have gotten control? We'll never know. Cradles don't generally break locks around the offensive wrestler's leg. If the offensive wrestler can put the defensive wrestler on their back, then the defensive wrestler usually releases the leg lock to try to roll off their back. Certainly not a sure thing, either way.
If it is close and the ref stops the action and awards the points, again unless it is a miss so obvious Stevie Wonder would see it the match absolutely needs to be over.
 
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Not really. In sudden victory, as soon as a point is awarded, the match is over. The only way is if it is a takedown straight into nearfall criteria, which Robideau was not in.
Yes. But it was still a pinning/near fall hold by PJ. Either way, the real travesty was the call getting overturned.
 
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Hotshoe

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This

maybe it was a bad call but Duke didn’t wrestle with the same fire he had been and that’s why he lost
********. He was the only wrestler who attacked. Some of you need to understand, not all matches allow constant attacks. LL says hello. Attacked all match long, and had to win in SV.
 

Tom McAndrew

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@F7Mello -- again, my Quote function is pretty balky today.

To answer your question:

in SV, you whistle to end the match when you think points are scored. The ONLY exception (in both HS and college) is if the defensive wrestler is in near-fall criteria (i.e., taken directly to their back). You then let it play out, so as not to disadvantage the offensive wrestler's team from possibly picking up bonus points. In that situation, once the defensive wrestler is out of near-fall criteria, then you end the match.

In the Duke match, the ref thought Duke had the TD, but Robideau was not in near-fall criteria when he made that decision/made the call, so it would have been a mistake to allow the match to continue