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Of the guys that we are heavily in the mix for or even favored when does one or any of them announce? I thought one guy who we have a good shot at was announcing on 3/28?
 
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Who are the “big targets” that some here keep saying Campbell is “in on”? Peter Borque is the only one I have heard anyone name specifically. I hope there’s some other big playmakers being targeted.
 
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TheWizardofCamelot said:
Too early to panic post.

Campbell & Co. have only had like 4 weekends to get kids on campus at this point. April/May/June is when we can really evaluate progress. And we're in on some big names locally and out in the Midwest. Get a top 100 QB on the board this spring and watch the trickle down effect.
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Who are the big names locally and in the Midwest?
 
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Who are the big names locally and in the Midwest?
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Recent predictions:

4* QB Peter Bourque (MA)
4* DB Telfair (OH)
4* DB Robinson (FL)
4* OL Slagle (IA)
4* TE Terwilliger (SD)
4* LB Alexander (OK)

I think it's noteworthy that Campbell & Staff aren't just taking guys to get going - they have a board and they're sticking with it. There's been limited time to get guys on campus and things are going to ramp up in the coming weeks.

And noting from a national recruiting perspective, OK is the only school going gangbusters with commits (19) - the rest of the country and team ranking leaders have 5-10 commits. It's been noted within the industry that this cycle is incredibly slow developing as far as prospects committing to schools at this point in the cycle. Just look at the total commits for schools in the top 20 of the rankings. With NIL + Transfer Portal, the new calendar has shifted towards March/April unofficials then May/June officials. Kids are waiting to see how depth charts shake out + taking any final offers on the NIL front. Michigan also doesn't have any commits and they have a very similar situation to PSU. Franklin/Tech (while obviously a tier or two below) don't have any commits either.

This is all free information, it just takes a little bit of listening and reading. Casuals just look at the 0 next to our total commits and freak out.
 
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Yep, a lot will happen between now and then. Campbell’s crew has a lot of work to do to get familiar with the East Coast recruiting scene, but most importantly he has to win this first year. And secondly, he and Pat Kraft have to work to raise more NIL funds. I have read elsewhere on insider forums that we are top 15 or so and are not in the same ballpark as OSU, Miami, Oregon, etc. Our donors just got burned by Franklin pissing NIL dollars away rewarding tenure instead of performance, but importantly, they need to see wins just as much as the recruits need to see wins this year. Thankfully, we have a manageable schedule.
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Wasn't the claim made that the new ADIDAS deal was going to yield an extra $20 Million a year in "NIL" $?

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(And PlayFly, Roar+ and every one of those other "new deals" orchestrated by PK and his buds?)

Either PSU ICA is "swimming in money" (as some claimed) or someone's been selling snake oil (and it wasn't the new ball coach at VT).

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FWIW: PSU would have been better served sticking w NIKE (not that either would have been a game-changer).
 

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TheWizardofCamelot said:
Recent predictions:

4* QB Peter Bourque (MA)
4* DB Telfair (OH)
4* DB Robinson (FL)
4* OL Slagle (IA)
4* TE Terwilliger (SD)
4* LB Alexander (OK)

I think it's noteworthy that Campbell & Staff aren't just taking guys to get going - they have a board and they're sticking with it. There's been limited time to get guys on campus and things are going to ramp up in the coming weeks.

And noting from a national recruiting perspective, OK is the only school going gangbusters with commits (19) - the rest of the country and team ranking leaders have 5-10 commits. It's been noted within the industry that this cycle is incredibly slow developing as far as prospects committing to schools at this point in the cycle. Just look at the total commits for schools in the top 20 of the rankings. With NIL + Transfer Portal, the new calendar has shifted towards March/April unofficials then May/June officials. Kids are waiting to see how depth charts shake out + taking any final offers on the NIL front. Michigan also doesn't have any commits and they have a very similar situation to PSU. Franklin/Tech (while obviously a tier or two below) don't have any commits either.

This is all free information, it just takes a little bit of listening and reading. Casuals just look at the 0 next to our total commits and freak out.
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Well, until any of them commit, the number is still zero. Being “in” on specific kids doesn’t mean they are going to get them. Campbell needs to close the deal on some kids and get some momentum. Until then, the “casuals” as you say will be skeptical and rightly so. Many or most of the kids that Ryan posts daily that PSU offered are 3 stars that rank outside the top 10 in their own state. They won’t bode well when recruiting against the likes of OSU, Michigan, Oregon, and USC. There’s a whole lot of talent in PA and surrounding areas this cycle. He needs to land a few.
 
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Well, until any of them commit, the number is still zero. Being “in” on specific kids doesn’t mean they are going to get them. Campbell needs to close the deal on some kids and get some momentum. Until then, the “casuals” as you say will be skeptical and rightly so. Many or most of the kids that Ryan posts daily that PSU offered are 3 stars that rank outside the top 10 in their own state. They won’t bode well when recruiting against the likes of OSU, Michigan, Oregon, and USC. There’s a whole lot of talent in PA and surrounding areas this cycle. He needs to land a few.
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I share your concern. Im afraid we might not have any recruits come the next singing period. LOL

JMO, we are getting more 4 star kids on campus in the next coming months than we've ever had in the past. We were never in on the number of midwest kids this staff is, and that only makes sense. There is little doubt we will land some of them. The other poster showed you the kids with RPMs, but there are a raft of 4 star kids making OVs in here without any RPMs anywhere. You just need to look them up. The real concern is how many we end up coming in second or third for when they make the choice. If that number is really large then the class may be little weaker. Right now base on the RPM stuff that you say is meaningless. We are going to land some studs.

IF you want to complain about not getting Hiller and Spell. We've rarely landed kids rated that high for the last 20 years. In the end, we are going to end up with a class rated 10 to 15, as sure as I'm typing this. You get a class that is half 4 star/half 3 star, that is what you end up with. Unless you think we are only going to land 3 or 4 four star kid, and if you feel that way, the sky is falling and that guy you just noticed behind you truly is chasing you.

You combine 10 to 15 with a good portal program, and you can win these days. Do that without a portal program its hard to be a top 5 program. We've seen that for years under Franklin. Kinda on the edge, but not a real threat. The portal is the equalizer. I'm more interested in seeing how Campbell uses that (sans the ISU kids) once he is here more than I am the HS recruits. We will get the HS kids, but we will be able to fill in the blanks we need with experienced kids in the future. That will take us to the next level and thats the bigger question. It wont be answered for close to another full year.
 
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I share your concern. Im afraid we might not have any recruits come the next singing period. LOL

JMO, we are getting more 4 star kids on campus in the next coming months than we've ever had in the past. We were never in on the number of midwest kids this staff is, and that only makes sense. There is little doubt we will land some of them. The other poster showed you the kids with RPMs, but there are a raft of 4 star kids making OVs in here without any RPMs anywhere. You just need to look them up. The real concern is how many we end up coming in second or third for when they make the choice. If that number is really large then the class may be little weaker. Right now base on the RPM stuff that you say is meaningless. We are going to land some studs.

IF you want to complain about not getting Hiller and Spell. We've rarely landed kids rated that high for the last 20 years. In the end, we are going to end up with a class rated 10 to 15, as sure as I'm typing this. You get a class that is half 4 star/half 3 star, that is what you end up with. Unless you think we are only going to land 3 or 4 four star kid, and if you feel that way, the sky is falling and that guy you just noticed behind you truly is chasing you.

You combine 10 to 15 with a good portal program, and you can win these days. Do that without a portal program its hard to be a top 5 program. We've seen that for years under Franklin. Kinda on the edge, but not a real threat. The portal is the equalizer. I'm more interested in seeing how Campbell uses that (sans the ISU kids) once he is here more than I am the HS recruits. We will get the HS kids, but we will be able to fill in the blanks we need with experienced kids in the future. That will take us to the next level and thats the bigger question. It wont be answered for close to another full year.
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10-15???? Take the under.
 
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PSU89er said:
I share your concern. Im afraid we might not have any recruits come the next singing period. LOL

JMO, we are getting more 4 star kids on campus in the next coming months than we've ever had in the past. We were never in on the number of midwest kids this staff is, and that only makes sense. There is little doubt we will land some of them. The other poster showed you the kids with RPMs, but there are a raft of 4 star kids making OVs in here without any RPMs anywhere. You just need to look them up. The real concern is how many we end up coming in second or third for when they make the choice. If that number is really large then the class may be little weaker. Right now base on the RPM stuff that you say is meaningless. We are going to land some studs.

IF you want to complain about not getting Hiller and Spell. We've rarely landed kids rated that high for the last 20 years. In the end, we are going to end up with a class rated 10 to 15, as sure as I'm typing this. You get a class that is half 4 star/half 3 star, that is what you end up with. Unless you think we are only going to land 3 or 4 four star kid, and if you feel that way, the sky is falling and that guy you just noticed behind you truly is chasing you.

You combine 10 to 15 with a good portal program, and you can win these days. Do that without a portal program its hard to be a top 5 program. We've seen that for years under Franklin. Kinda on the edge, but not a real threat. The portal is the equalizer. I'm more interested in seeing how Campbell uses that (sans the ISU kids) once he is here more than I am the HS recruits. We will get the HS kids, but we will be able to fill in the blanks we need with experienced kids in the future. That will take us to the next level and thats the bigger question. It wont be answered for close to another full year.
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More four star kids on campus than ever before? I don’t know about that. Recruiting classes ranked 10-15 isn’t going to cut it. OSU already has the top recruit in the nation committed. People complained that Franklin couldn’t get over the hump against OSU and Michigan. That’s the measuring stick. Nothing less.
 
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More four star kids on campus than ever before? I don’t know about that. Recruiting classes ranked 10-15 isn’t going to cut it. OSU already has the top recruit in the nation committed. People complained that Franklin couldn’t get over the hump against OSU and Michigan. That’s the measuring stick. Nothing less.
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I’ve changed the measuring stick to going undefeated against winless teams without a coaching staff. If Campbell can jump that minor hurdle he’s making an improvement over last season.
 
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More four star kids on campus than ever before? I don’t know about that. Recruiting classes ranked 10-15 isn’t going to cut it. OSU already has the top recruit in the nation committed. People complained that Franklin couldn’t get over the hump against OSU and Michigan. That’s the measuring stick. Nothing less.
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In case you haven't noticed. Miami and Indiana just played in the national title game. Maimi doesn't recruit anywhere near the OSU/Bama/UGa level and IUs HS recruiting stinks even for 2026.

The portal is the key. I have hard time following HS recruiting so much anymore, because half the kids are going to leave anyway. Tenth in recruiting will be way more than good enough, if you've got a good GM filling in the holes of your roster.

This isn't three years ago. HS isn't nearly as important as it used to be. That is obvious.

Regarding 4 stars on campus. I'm not even going to start listing them, because its long. Kids like Kuhn, Oneil, Ohnmacht, and Gibson are really good players and those are just off the top of my head. Also except for Oneil they are anything but local. The QB from Arizona is coming up. A couple big Samoan kids from California and Texas are headed up. We may not land any of them, but who knows.
 
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In case you haven' noticed. Miami and Indiana just played in the national title game. Maimi doesn't recruit anywhere near the OSU/Bama/UGa level and IUs HS recruiting stinks even for 2026.

The portal is the key. I have hard time following HS recruiting so much anymore, because half the kids are going to leave anyway. Tenth in recruiting will be way more than good enough, if you've got a good GM filling in the holes of your roster.

This isn't three years ago. HS isn't nearly as important as it used to be. That is obvious.

Regarding 4 stars on campus. I'm not every going to start listing them, because its long. Kids like Kuhn, Oneil, Ohnmacht, and Gibson are really good players and those are just off the top of my head. Also except for Oneil they are not anything but local. The QB from Arizona is coming up. A couple big Samoan kids from California and Texas are headed up. We may not land any of them, but who knows.
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Campbell said the backbone to the program was recruiting and developing guys. I didn’t say it. He did. If that’s his philosophy, he has work to do.
 
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I see that Justice Hardy was in SC for the first Spring Practice. He's making the transition from Wyomissing to Wilson, so he'll be playing at the highest level in the PIAA. Interested to see where this goes. He's an athlete and a playmaker, although a little undersized.

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LB99 said:
More four star kids on campus than ever before? I don’t know about that. Recruiting classes ranked 10-15 isn’t going to cut it. OSU already has the top recruit in the nation committed. People complained that Franklin couldn’t get over the hump against OSU and Michigan. That’s the measuring stick. Nothing less.
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We can get it done as far as winning the NC with a HS class in the 10-15 range. Btw, I don't think we can drop further than 15 though before it starts to become very difficult.

As has been pointed out, we need to combine that with excellent portal management and exceptional player development.

The other key piece to all of this is an intangible that is critically important. We need a coach who builds and instills mental fortitude and toughness as a central part of the program culture. A coach who can actually win big games, spring some upsets and be able to get his players to make winning plays in crunch time. I sure hope Campbell can deliver in this area. This lack of being able to do this was a huge, huge liability for the program under Franklin and certainly kept us out of at least one or probably two four team playoffs. It also kept us from playing for the NC in 2024.
 
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More four star kids on campus than ever before? I don’t know about that. Recruiting classes ranked 10-15 isn’t going to cut it. OSU already has the top recruit in the nation committed. People complained that Franklin couldn’t get over the hump against OSU and Michigan. That’s the measuring stick. Nothing less.
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Unfortunately we are just not going to recruit or portal better in terms of “star rating” than OSU unless we get a serious injection of cash. We are not the same NIL level. If you expect us to do so you will be very disappointed. But we don’t have to do so if Campbell is able to develop 3s and 4s into 4 and 5 star performance. That is what he did at Iowa St, except with their minimal resource level he took mostly unrated and 3 stars and fielded competitive teams most years and generated the most success there that they ever had. We will see if that can translate here in the same manner; we have a much higher floor obviously. This is a new era, and Franklin royally failed in this nil era giving resources to the wrong players and refusing Kraft’s insistence he build a real gm office. That’s a big reason why he is no longer here.
 
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Campbell said the backbone to the program was recruiting and developing guys. I didn’t say it. He did. If that’s his philosophy, he has work to do.
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I really dont care what he says, because every coach says what sounds good. Franklin said all kinds of things that sounded good.

I bet you his philosphy is really to win games. If it wasn't he wouldn't have brought most of his ISU returning starters with him.
 
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I really dont care what he says, because every coach says what sounds good. Franklin said all kinds of things that sounded good.

I bet you his philosphy is really to win games. If it wasn't he wouldn't have brought most of his ISU returning starters with him.
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He tells HS recruits and their parents the core of the program is developing HS talent. When he talks to a portal guy he tells them they will fill a specific need for us and he saw that and knows that based on their performance at their previous school. He is not lying, both are true. You focus on what the audience s most interested in. Of course the bottom line is to win games. That goes without saying.
 
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The average talent composite of the last two CFP participants is 24.5. Yes, recruiting matters. But development, retention, and portal acquisition have changed everything.

Again, talk about overreacting too early. Campbell has been here 3 months and people are already jumping ship. Michigan has zero commits too if you need some comparison. And those in the know think we're flipping their top-100 QB. R-E-L-A-X.

Some of you need to educate yourself on the new college football.
 
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TheWizardofCamelot said:
The average talent composite of the last two CFP participants is 24.5. Yes, recruiting matters. But development, retention, and portal acquisition have changed everything.

Again, talk about overreacting too early. Campbell has been here 3 months and people are already jumping ship. Michigan has zero commits too if you need some comparison. And those in the know think we're flipping their top-100 QB. R-E-L-A-X.

Some of you need to educate yourself on the new college football.
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Michigan has 5 commits. Practice what you preach. Educate yourself. You telling anyone to relax is ironic since you were the guy trashing Grunk after his first three starts last year saying he stunk and didn’t have what it takes.

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Michigan has 5 commits. Practice what you preach. Educate yourself. You telling anyone to relax is ironic since you were the guy trashing Grunk after his first three starts last year saying he stunk and didn’t have what it takes.

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Michigan picked up it's first two commits of the Whittingham era this week. All the others listed were long before their coaching carousel. I bet we get 1-2 this week too.

You're still bringing up the Grunk stuff? Yeah, I don't think Grunk is very good. He beat a bunch of tomato cans after our interim coach committed to being run first with our OL and RBs. Matt Campbell & Co. thought the same and picked someone else. And then Grunk left for Danny Obrien and James Franklin. So our current HC happened to agree with that sentiment.

Curious, how old are you? Guessing 60+? Everything you post is off base and screams "get off my lawn." I'm trying to be positive and also providing insight from what I can gather from industry sources. You're just being grumpy about it for no reason? So I'm assuming the internet is new to you. I can help you search articles and podcasts if you need? Happy to walk you through some of that stuff.
 
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He tells HS recruits and their parents the core of the program is developing HS talent. When he talks to a portal guy he tells them they will fill a specific need for us and he saw that and knows that based on their performance at their previous school. He is not lying, both are true. You focus on what the audience s most interested in. Of course the bottom line is to win games. That goes without saying.
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I don't get too hung up on how some coach goes about anything. These guys are in a results industry. If it wasn't, Franklin would have never been left go after a lot of 11 win seasons. Its another poster putting this out there

"Campbell said the backbone to the program was recruiting and developing guys. I didn’t say it. He did. If that’s his philosophy, he has work to do."

Me, I'm not holding Campbell to some goofy recruiting standard. Heck, Campbell didn't even give a standard other than to say its the backbone of the program. The poster is inferring that to meet what Campbell said, he has to have so many commits at a certain time or so many of the recruits have to be 4 stars or whatever that poster thinks "backbone" even means. The poster must think Campbell is falling short because, "he has work to do." Campbell always has work to do, he's a college football coach.

I'm more concerned about results, and landing a recruit really isn't a result I'm all that wrapped up in. Beating USC, now thats something. I'm also one of the guys that will say Penn State recruits itself. We will never have a class rated at 25 or worse unless something crazy is going on (like the coaching change). PSU is one of the have's. We don't have as much as OSU and some others, but we have more than most.
 
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We can get it done as far as winning the NC with a HS class in the 10-15 range. Btw, I don't think we can drop further than 15 though before it starts to become very difficult.

As has been pointed out, we need to combine that with excellent portal management and exceptional player development.

The other key piece to all of this is an intangible that is critically important. We need a coach who builds and instills mental fortitude and toughness as a central part of the program culture. A coach who can actually win big games, spring some upsets and be able to get his players to make winning plays in crunch time. I sure hope Campbell can deliver in this area. This lack of being able to do this was a huge, huge liability for the program under Franklin and certainly kept us out of at least one or probably two four team playoffs. It also kept us from playing for the NC in 2024.
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We will be below 15 more often than not. There are at least 12 schools that consistently out recruit us. Psu is in the 13-20 range.
 
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