2027 Recruiting Thread

[Corner Room Breakfast]

Love and respect for Campbell is TBD. You see, he hasn't coached a game here yet. His reputation is good.

For a supposed fan of PSU since 1966, same year as i did, consistently talking snot about
our new coach, any 3 star recruit, and any hope for the future, brings nothing to this thread, NOTHING.
I don't know of any fan my age talking like this, you defend our former coach like Knute Rockne, which
makes me think you are more of an apologist than a fan. Let it go already, you're either a PS fan or not.

When OB came here i don't know of any fan who didn't wish him well, same with Franklin, now for me
the same with CMC. You say love and respect TBD, what a terrible comment to make.

 

[ZouaveLion]

For a supposed fan of PSU since 1966, same year as i did, consistently talking snot about
our new coach, any 3 star recruit, and any hope for the future, brings nothing to this thread, NOTHING.
I don't know of any fan my age talking like this, you defend our former coach like Knute Rockne, which
makes me think you are more of an apologist than a fan. Let it go already, you're either a PS fan or not.

When OB came here i don't know of any fan who didn't wish him well, same with Franklin, now for me
the same with CMC. You say love and respect TBD, what a terrible comment to make.

Put him on ignore like many have...there is constructive criticism amd there is him.....constant criticism, which is his specialty unless it pertains to his hero, Fraud Franklin

 

[PSU89er]

I'm suggesting that if you use the same correct analysis of 5 stars that you wish to invest in 3 stars, that you will get better results.

So you are saying a 5 star is in general better, than a 3 star. Gee, beat that dead horse like no one knows it.

What you need to acknowledge in this current world is the 5 star comes with a much greater financial risk. If a player costs 3 to 4 times as much he is actually going to be 3 to 4 times the player, and that is what we are talking about when you are looking at a top 10 to 15 player vs a top 100 to 150 player, and that top 100 to 150 is no 3 star.

Problem is, 5 star, 2 star. You are likely to get similar results out of both if they destroy a knee in the first or second year. I know the 5 star is more likely to come back from it and still be OK.

 

[Nits1989]

Does anyone think that some schools will have trouble signing as many players as before, now that they have to pay for their players? Might some schools be signing smaller classes than previous years where they might have signed in the mid-20s? More desirable programs may be able to pay their recruits less money than a less desirable program and be able to sign more players, and conversely less desirable programs will have to pay more for a player than more desirable programs and sign fewer players? Players who think they might not make it to the NFL might grind for every penny? Just wondering... Alabama and FSU only have 9 commits, SMU has 6, which seems low at this point.

 

[Connorpozlee]

For a supposed fan of PSU since 1966, same year as i did, consistently talking snot about
our new coach, any 3 star recruit, and any hope for the future, brings nothing to this thread, NOTHING.
I don't know of any fan my age talking like this, you defend our former coach like Knute Rockne, which
makes me think you are more of an apologist than a fan. Let it go already, you're either a PS fan or not.

When OB came here i don't know of any fan who didn't wish him well, same with Franklin, now for me
the same with CMC. You say love and respect TBD, what a terrible comment to make.

It’s all very reminiscent of marshcreek’s pro wrestling-like turn when Devlin didn’t start over Clark. Marshcreek, Marshall, hmmmmmm…

 

[psu83]

It’s all very reminiscent of marshcreek’s pro wrestling-like turn when Devlin didn’t start over Clark. Marshcreek, Marshall, hmmmmmm…

 

[Thorndike2021]

Does anyone think that some schools will have trouble signing as many players as before, now that they have to pay for their players?

I don't think so.

I really think that the rich will get very much richer, and the poor will become very much poorer. There will still be 100+ football programs that offer free education, room, board, training, etc. as has been the case. But players who develop while in those programs will be sold off to the highest bidders and leave those poorer schools.

Frankly, that's probably more like how this all should end up being structured. Forget these silly 'star' ratings that are based solely on measurables and don't pay HS kids a dime beyond the traditional scholarship and any NIL they deserve.

 

[Bison13]

Does anyone think that some schools will have trouble signing as many players as before, now that they have to pay for their players? Might some schools be signing smaller classes than previous years where they might have signed in the mid-20s? More desirable programs may be able to pay their recruits less money than a less desirable program and be able to sign more players, and conversely less desirable programs will have to pay more for a player than more desirable programs and sign fewer players? Players who think they might not make it to the NFL might grind for every penny? Just wondering... Alabama and FSU only have 9 commits, SMU has 6, which seems low at this point.

those schools know that they can swoop in late with big bags and get the kids to flip.

 

[Marshall2323]

As usual, you have the point you want to make and repeat it mindlessly, even when it has nothing to do with what was said by the poster you’re responding to.
What Franklin did to bring Penn State out of the sanctions has nothing to do with how his tenure ended. Watching that UCLA game and putting what had happened in the opening three games I made the comment that it looked like he was coaching to be fired. Seemed like he got what he wanted when it happened. Campbell will have the same leeway from me that I gave to Franklin. What is obvious is that your judgement of Campbell will be more harsh with Campbell than it was with Franklin, for whatever reason.

My judgement of Campbell is in lockstep with his Athletic Director. I didn't promise excellence at the highest level or a national championship. I would never have painted a coach into that sort of corner.

 

[WaffleShopper]

Does anyone think that some schools will have trouble signing as many players as before, now that they have to pay for their players? Might some schools be signing smaller classes than previous years where they might have signed in the mid-20s? More desirable programs may be able to pay their recruits less money than a less desirable program and be able to sign more players, and conversely less desirable programs will have to pay more for a player than more desirable programs and sign fewer players? Players who think they might not make it to the NFL might grind for every penny? Just wondering... Alabama and FSU only have 9 commits, SMU has 6, which seems low at this point.

Every school will need to balance talent/money/fit for each player, not all that different than before other than having to re-recruit existing players and having to scramble a little more often when a commit flips for more money. I don’t expect smaller classes necessarily, just a little more effort to get to a full class.

The problem for PSU is that because our 2026 class was completely empty, we just need bodies so our money needs to be spread across a lot more players this year.

 

[Marshall2323]

So you are saying a 5 star is in general better, than a 3 star. Gee, beat that dead horse like no one knows it.

What you need to acknowledge in this current world is the 5 star comes with a much greater financial risk. If a player costs 3 to 4 times as much he is actually going to be 3 to 4 times the player, and that is what we are talking about when you are looking at a top 10 to 15 player vs a top 100 to 150 player, and that top 100 to 150 is no 3 star.

Problem is, 5 star, 2 star. You are likely to get similar results out of both if they destroy a knee in the first or second year. I know the 5 star is more likely to come back from it and still be OK.

So you are concerned with Penn State's financial risk? Why? If PSU is to reach excellence at the highest level, are you suggesting that PSU doesn't have the resources to compete with the major programs?

For a supposed fan of PSU since 1966, same year as i did, consistently talking snot about
our new coach, any 3 star recruit, and any hope for the future, brings nothing to this thread, NOTHING.
I don't know of any fan my age talking like this, you defend our former coach like Knute Rockne, which
makes me think you are more of an apologist than a fan. Let it go already, you're either a PS fan or not.

When OB came here i don't know of any fan who didn't wish him well, same with Franklin, now for me
the same with CMC. You say love and respect TBD, what a terrible comment to make.

I'm either a PSU fan or I'm not? hahahaha So all the sheep here represent what a Penn State fan must be. I have consistently maintained that the current state of recruiting will not bring long term improvement. Anyone who doesn't see a roster any better than the recent previous rosters isn't a PSU fan?
As for Franklin. I think he's a very good coach. I think he did many good things during his time at PSU. He laid an egg last year and that and his feud with Kraft sealed his fate. James is just fine, He's building a pretty good recruiting class. Some services might even rate it higher than Penn States (don't take my word look it up yourself). VT is very happy with him....just as PSU is happy with Matt Campbell ( for now. As both will soon need to compete). I have no issue with Coach Campbell. He has proven he can be competitive at ISU. Will his results be better at PSU than Franklin's over an extended period? Not unless he finds a way to get some elite players at key positions.
Now I wish I was bringing something to this thread. Let me try, Oh, we're loaded, we're great. We're identifying talent that no other program can discover. In addition, we will "coach them up" better than all 60 plus other P4 programs.
OK am I now a "real" Penn State Fan?

 

[Marshall2323]

So you are saying a 5 star is in general better, than a 3 star. Gee, beat that dead horse like no one knows it.

What you need to acknowledge in this current world is the 5 star comes with a much greater financial risk. If a player costs 3 to 4 times as much he is actually going to be 3 to 4 times the player, and that is what we are talking about when you are looking at a top 10 to 15 player vs a top 100 to 150 player, and that top 100 to 150 is no 3 star.

Problem is, 5 star, 2 star. You are likely to get similar results out of both if they destroy a knee in the first or second year. I know the 5 star is more likely to come back from it and still be OK.

5 star and 2 star will get the same results if they get hit by a bus on the way to the stadium.

 

[Marshall2323]

Every school will need to balance talent/money/fit for each player, not all that different than before other than having to re-recruit existing players and having to scramble a little more often when a commit flips for more money. I don’t expect smaller classes necessarily, just a little more effort to get to a full class.

The problem for PSU is that because our 2026 class was completely empty, we just need bodies so our money needs to be spread across a lot more players this year.

But we obviously spent very little on 2026 class, so we should have those funds to spread around too.

 

[TheWizardofCamelot]

@Tom McAndrew can you take a look at some the accounts consistently derailing this thread? There has to be trolling going on. As soon as this thread gets rolling with relevant discussion, the same group pop in. Will have them on ignore on my end. Thank you.

 

[PSU4U]

those schools know that they can swoop in late with big bags and get the kids to flip.

But it really depends on the character of those kids who once gave their commitment. It has become a game of high finance and greed. Everyone give thanks to that Lowlife Ambulance Chasing Profession and low character for the demise of amateur sports.

 

[rigi19041]

But it really depends on the character of those kids who once gave their commitment. It has become a game of high finance and greed. Everyone give thanks to that Lowlife Ambulance Chasing Profession and low character for the demise of amateur sports.

Bleep that. It was always about greed. Schools made 100m, coaches making 10m, coach's dipchit son making 6 figures. Now the players get a cut.

 

[Marshall2323]

@Tom McAndrew can you take a look at some the accounts consistently derailing this thread? There has to be trolling going on. As soon as this thread gets rolling with relevant discussion, the same group pop in. Will have them on ignore on my end. Thank you.

Please ban Marshall 2323 so we will all agree and everything will be lollipops and rainbows.

 

[Connorpozlee]

My judgement of Campbell is in lockstep with his Athletic Director. I didn't promise excellence at the highest level or a national championship. I would never have painted a coach into that sort of corner.

All your stuff is wounded ex-girlfriend stuff. You’re hurt that your coach crush got canned for completely crapping the bed last year. So now you’re going to be a shill for every coach of every team in the country except for the one that’s coaching “your” team.

 

[Alphalion75]

All your stuff is wounded ex-girlfriend stuff. You’re hurt that your coach crush got canned for completely crapping the bed last year. So now you’re going to be a shill for every coach of every team in the country except for the one that’s coaching “your” team.

Frankly I don't believe for a second that Penn State is his team.

 

[Connorpozlee]

Frankly I don't believe for a second that Penn State is his team.

He’s just a fan of coaches. Every single one of them but Matt Campbell.

 

[LB99]

Every school will need to balance talent/money/fit for each player, not all that different than before other than having to re-recruit existing players and having to scramble a little more often when a commit flips for more money. I don’t expect smaller classes necessarily, just a little more effort to get to a full class.

The problem for PSU is that because our 2026 class was completely empty, we just need bodies so our money needs to be spread across a lot more players this year.

I think that will apply to next year also. Most of the transfers seemed to be guys with limited eligibility left.

 

[LMTLION]

McGee continues to be a target, and the staff have been working to flip 4 star Evans for a while (well before the two flips.). Our staff have a compensation system that they will not deviate off, even when a cb like Gleason threatens and follows through on a flip.

 

[Marshall2323]

For a supposed fan of PSU since 1966, same year as i did, consistently talking snot about
our new coach, any 3 star recruit, and any hope for the future, brings nothing to this thread, NOTHING.
I don't know of any fan my age talking like this, you defend our former coach like Knute Rockne, which
makes me think you are more of an apologist than a fan. Let it go already, you're either a PS fan or not.

When OB came here i don't know of any fan who didn't wish him well, same with Franklin, now for me
the same with CMC. You say love and respect TBD, what a terrible comment to make.

We are to "love" a coach because they "came here?" Interesting.

 

[Marshall2323]

All your stuff is wounded ex-girlfriend stuff. You’re hurt that your coach crush got canned for completely crapping the bed last year. So now you’re going to be a shill for every coach of every team in the country except for the one that’s coaching “your” team.

Actually you embody the "wounded ex girl friend" persona, constantly crying about how PSU lost because of Franklin (last year) as if he pissed in your Wheaties.
One thing you are partially correct about (amazing) is that I do have a profound respect for coaches (including CMC) who have reached the very pinnacle of achievement in their profession by securing a job at the collegiate level. Now I realize that this cannot exempt them from the criticism of the omniscient and omnipotent BWICAC.

 

[PSU4U]

Bleep that. It was always about greed. Schools made 100m, coaches making 10m, coach's dipchit son making 6 figures. Now the players get a cut.

Frankly I don't believe for a second that Penn State is his team.

Some people here are pretenders and wannabes. They are like RINOS, fans of other teams and coaches while dressed up like PS fans. I swear one or two of them are related to Franklin, petty little useless people with an axe to grind.

 

[Marshall2323]

But it really depends on the character of those kids who once gave their commitment. It has become a game of high finance and greed. Everyone give thanks to that Lowlife Ambulance Chasing Profession and low character for the demise of amateur sports.

Stop with the character nonsense. It's a job. Everyone has the right to work under the conditions they choose. Many if not most consider compensation as the most important factor.
This is no longer amateur sport. Anyone who claims they wouldn't want their son to sign for 1 million instead of 350,000k is a liar, especially in a game like football, where year one may be your last. These young people have a unique opportunity, to finish school, not with college loans, but hundreds of thousands or millions in investments. This likely won't last.....it's a gold rush and more power to those who can win the moment.
Hundreds of athletes played for tuition at PSU while untold millions were skimmed off to where? I'd like to see some governance in college football, but compensating the athletes is long overdue.

 

[LB99]

Good news! Florida just announced a $1.45 billion dollar stadium renovation to be completed by 2030. Perhaps they will lag in NIL in upcoming years.

 

[Marshall2323]

He’s just a fan of coaches. Every single one of them but Matt Campbell.

The horror!

 

[Marshall2323]

Frankly I don't believe for a second that Penn State is his team.

Not a PSU fan? But, I know the secret handshake.

 

[Marshall2323]

He’s just a fan of coaches. Every single one of them but Matt Campbell.

I'll trust you and some others here to shake your pom poms for Coach Campbell. I'll reserve final judgement for 2027 and 2028.

 

[Alphalion75]

Not a PSU fan? But, I know the secret handshake.

Truthfully....not a fan? Where does your allegiance lie?

 

[Marshall2323]

I think that will apply to next year also. Most of the transfers seemed to be guys with limited eligibility left.

But shouldn't that then free up the funds that were awarded them(transfers) to come here?
For example. if you are compensating 100 athletes and 50 leave thru transfer, seeking the NFL or graduation, aren't you left with the funds from the 50 that left? Don't you then have that money to reload?
Very little money was spent on the class of 2026. "lavishly" compensated players like Fat Man, Singleton, Allar and the infamous Clifford etc. are gone. Who is getting that premium money? In addition to that RS and NIL money which we were told (Franklin got everything he asked for) Kraft stated that those funds would increase.
So it's just not logical to me that PSU needs to pinch it's pennies in recruiting.

 

[LB99]

But shouldn't that then free up the funds that were awarded them(transfers) to come here?
For example. if you are compensating 100 athletes and 50 leave thru transfer, seeking the NFL or graduation, aren't you left with the funds from the 50 that left? Don't you then have that money to reload?
Very little money was spent on the class of 2026. "lavishly" compensated players like Fat Man, Singleton, Allar and the infamous Clifford etc. are gone. Who is getting that premium money? In addition to that RS and NIL money which we were told (Franklin got everything he asked for) Kraft stated that those funds would increase.
So it's just not logical to me that PSU needs to pinch it's pennies in recruiting.

I’m not sure how all the NIL guidelines (if there are any) work. That’s why I asked a few days ago if NIL deals were year to year?

 

[Marshall2323]

Truthfully....not a fan? Where does your allegiance lie?

Truthfully? I'm a coal region, Pa. guy born and bred. Attended Southern Columbia and took in my first PSU game 11/5/66.
Sat in endzone bleachers and watched Floyd Little beat PSU with a punt return. I didn't realize till many years later that it was Joe's first season as HC. PSU was already a popular team in my area as a local Coal Township football hero (Bernie Sabol) was playing at PSU for Rip Engle. Incidentally, as fate would have it, he would later be my college coach. My high school coach was Joe Sarra, and I was honored to visit him often at spring practices over the years.
I will forever hold Joe Paterno head and shoulders above any coach I've ever seen. He not only made PSU a "blue blood" but enhanced the national image of eastern football in the process.
As my family grew up we made every effort to be as close to PSU football as possible, making spring practice a habit and bowl games, Rose, Fiesta, Cotton, Outback, Capitol One, Ticket City, Pinstripe, Taxslayer and Citrus Bowl and a few others.
Admittedly, I've never 100% recovered from what the Trustees and Administration did to Joe and the bs that largely excludes him from being recognized properly (and he continues to be victimized by the current administration).
Franklin inspired me at the Pinstripe Bowl with an overtime win and a speech after the game championing "Penn State Culture." A bold and courageous statement at the juncture (with the sanctions only being partly lifted).
I enjoyed his tenure and felt he did an excellent job representing the football program and the university.
His time came to an end last fall. Frankly, under the circumstances, it was inevitable. I do deeply resent and am ashamed of those fans who hurled personal insults at him and his family. I did think that PSU fans were better than that. By the way, so did Matt Rhule (look at his press conference on youtube). It was shameful.
I am very happy that Franklin found a good job and so far he's doing well.
If I am not qualified by the BWICAC to be a "real" PSU fan, I will be here, alone, distraught, crying my eyes out.
In the meantime, I'll stick by my position that PSU under any coach will not improve it's results on the field without a few playmakers on both sides of the ball. Until this happens, "the standard will be" what it was for the 150 games before Franklin got here ....which were quite similar to the results he achieved in this 149 games. 300 games is a pretty large sample size (you might want to look up the results of those 299 games yourself).