'25 (in-season) - '26 CFB Portal Thread

Itraindogs

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Just ridiculous....gave it the old college try at Penn St for less than a year...all after announcing his return a few days ago. Maybe he ll do the walk of shame and return like Cam Wallace after finding zero interest or not enough bank elsewhere.

This is now getting ridiculous.
I get it, but this is a reset. So many new bodies in the room that there is going to be shuffling and reshuffling until the pieces are set. These guys are looking at their room (RB) and calculating where they may fall in the pecking order. I think Hayes should stay because I can see him crack the top three RBs and play a fair bit. His blocking skill sis very advanced for a RS Freshman
 
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Lots of bodies in the RB room, would be hard to get on the field next year. Disappointing because he is a very good back. I would have preferred they kept Hayes and cut Wallace. Wallace's injury history makes him a poor investment to keep on the roster.
It certainly is a crowded room. There are three starters in that room. I’m sure Peoples was not cheap, and there’s an intention to get a lot of production out of him. If it’s a split back role, is the other back Martin or the ISU back? It will be an interesting spring.
 
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I think the team we have put together so far from returns and the portal is going to be better overall than the one that started in the Pinstripe bowl. Just my opinion. And that team (Pinstripe) look very competitive to me.
 
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WTF are you on about? We have a killer transfer class, including guys outside of Iowa State.
Then again:
To date, PSU has lost a heck of a lot more talent than they have brought in. And it isn't even close (not at this point anyway)
 

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The argument I've been making here is that the level of play in football, both college and pro, in spite of better athletes, has fallen. Poor tackling, poor coaching decisions, mental mistakes etc etc. Like tonight's Packers/Bears game. Missed extra points, numerous mistakes and dropped balls. These are playoff teams. Any more, NFL games are a calamity of errors lacking in professionalism. Teams are made up of great athletes playing football, not football savvy players. There is a difference IMHO. And I'm glad you mentioned Indiana. There are probably 10 college teams whose rosters have better athletes than Indiana's. The difference between the Hoosiers and those other 10 teams is that Indiana has football players on their team. They know how to play the game and win as a team.
I understand, in part. I do think, however, that QB play in the NFL will benefit from NIL if players make full use of their eligibility, go to a program that will develop them correctly then go into the draft. If Mendoza did not go to Indiana to work in that system his professional prospects would have been truncated.
 

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Tennessee took the worst aspect of our 2025 season to make it their own. Good luck! 🤪
Assuming you are referring to Knowles:
I doubt if anyone is heartbroken that Knowles is no longer PSU's DC.
That said, "the worst aspect" of PSU's 2025 season? Not Even Close.
 
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This gets funnier every day.

Kids portaling out= don't want to compete, aren't any good, will move down a level, making bad choices, etc

Kids portaling in= ready to play major roles. ready for the B1G, making wise choices

Homerism at its finest.
At the end of the portal window, the question we should ask is if the PSU roster is in better shape than it was before the window. That’s really all that matters. And to give a nuanced answer—which is not very popular to do on message boards—certain positions will be in better shape while others will have downgraded. Hopefully it’s a net-positive overall when they play in the fall.
 

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I’m thinking there’s a good chance a couple thousand college football players will be getting an economics lesson in the law of supply and demand. I assume quite a few are buried and leaving to seek playing time, but I’m also guessing most who declared free agency are not going to receive the compensation they are expecting.
Not only that. Musical chairs is a fun game until you are left without one.
 
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Itraindogs

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Probably both. Regardless of that relationship, they had to pay them. That photo of Chaz with Kiffen was strange. Chaz didn‘t exactly appear to be bursting with joy Makes you wonder what that kid is thinking. Maybe he thought he would end up at OSU? Maybe he thought his value was much higher? Maybe his agent just informed him he’s keeping 25%? Maybe he realizes he’s about to be immortalized in a photo dressed up in a goofy outfit next to a 50 year old dork? I could just be making all this up, but maybe it was a whirlwind and he (they) decided taking the money at Tennessee and reuniting with Knowles was the smart move? Who knows, this whole thing has just been so bizarre.
Coleman's heart was always with OSU, but with the notoriety that surrounded him as a pass rusher he started listening to suitors. OSU did want him but they assumed he would take the "hometown discount" but Coleman said no. Ole Miss and Tenn were also in the mix and with Knowles (and several old teammates) at Tenn (and more money) the fit was better. Kid still cant play the run but he knows Knowles' system and the DLine coach will help develop him. It was a good choice.
 
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Itraindogs

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It certainly is a crowded room. There are three starters in that room. I’m sure Peoples was not cheap, and there’s an intention to get a lot of production out of him. If it’s a split back role, is the other back Martin or the ISU back? It will be an interesting spring.
Hansen is a more complete back than the Martin or Peoples, The latter two have more talent, but Hansen a kid that has good vision, sets up blocks well and can pick up the blitz. He can get you tough yards. Hayes would be battling with Hansen for snaps.
 
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The argument I've been making here is that the level of play in football, both college and pro, in spite of better athletes, has fallen. Poor tackling, poor coaching decisions, mental mistakes etc etc. Like tonight's Packers/Bears game. Missed extra points, numerous mistakes and dropped balls. These are playoff teams. Any more, NFL games are a calamity of errors lacking in professionalism. Teams are made up of great athletes playing football, not football savvy players. There is a difference IMHO. And I'm glad you mentioned Indiana. There are probably 10 college teams whose rosters have better athletes than Indiana's. The difference between the Hoosiers and those other 10 teams is that Indiana has football players on their team. They know how to play the game and win as a team.
To be fair...McManus missed and XP but it's no longer the equivalent of a 20 yard FG and kickers are more accurate than ever. Especially from long distance. Missed tackles and drops always existed...nostalgia just changes how we remember things.
The game is a lot faster now than it was decades ago...while I agree players miss too many tackles...better athletes create those as well.
 
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I wonder if some portal kids end up on the street with no schools wanting them - will be interesting to see.
 
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Kraft said we were getting 5 million more than last year not sure where all the money is going especially with our biggest NIL athletes being gone. I’m not saying these transfers are awful but hardly impressed with a lot of them. You’re seeing a lot of kids transfer out of Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, Texas and Penn State is getting 0 of them. We’re getting kids from Syracuse, Boston College, WVU and UCLA.
Y’all are going to need to get used to moneyball. Typically, the players leaving top programs (OSU, Bama, Georgia, etc) are going to be backups who are demanding top dollar. Players transferring from lower tier program are starters who want to make more money than they were and play for a better team.

And the talent gap in college football between individual players is narrow enough that starters on lower tier teams are often better than backups on top teams (regardless of what their HS recruiting rank was). That means you can expect to pay more for a backup from a top school than a starter at a lower tier school who’s likely better anyways.

For example, Tennessee is likely paying millions for Chaz Coleman, a backup who is a great pass rusher but terrible against the run. We nabbed McPherson who appears to be a great pass rusher and great against the run! And I’m sure he cost less so we can use that money on more DE and DTs.

Another example is this IOL Brock we got from Texas State. Freshman all-American starter who gave up 0 sacks. Texas A&M and Bama were after him. He’s better than any of our backup linemen who left.

I can almost guarantee you that the teams going after the flashy expensive stars will struggle because they’re not leaving enough money to fill out the rest of the team.
 

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He could have stayed at PSU. Can't run from competition.
If you think Campbell was going to pay money to bring in a kid who started at QB for him for 3 years and sit him on the bench in favor of Grunk even if Grunk looked like Marino in practice, I have a bridge in the middle of the desert I would like to sell you. Please stop the BS.
 
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Y’all are going to need to get used to moneyball. Typically, the players leaving top programs (OSU, Bama, Georgia, etc) are going to be backups who are demanding top dollar. Players transferring from lower tier program are starters who want to make more money than they were and play for a better team.

And the talent gap in college football between individual players is narrow enough that starters on lower tier teams are often better than backups on top teams (regardless of what their HS recruiting rank was). That means you can expect to pay more for a backup from a top school than a starter at a lower tier school who’s likely better anyways.

For example, Tennessee is likely paying millions for Chaz Coleman, a backup who is a great pass rusher but terrible against the run. We nabbed McPherson who appears to be a great pass rusher and great against the run! And I’m sure he cost less so we can use that money on more DE and DTs.

Another example is this IOL Brock we got from Texas State. Freshman all-American starter who gave up 0 sacks. Texas A&M and Bama were after him. He’s better than any of our backup linemen who left.

I can almost guarantee you that the teams going after the flashy expensive stars will struggle because they’re not leaving enough money to fill out the rest of the team.
I hope the board reads your post and takes it seriously. You are spot on. And it’s not just us playing Moneyball. OSU is playing moneyball to a degree. They are not budging on a number of players. Alabama and others are not either. Per other boards Coleman wanted to go to OSU but they were not going to give him that level of NIL. Tremendous upside with Coleman but horrific run defense and needs another year of s&c at least. Maybe he ends up being a home run for Tennessee and maybe not. Tennessee is desperate to improve their defense and is taking a few big swings. Supposedly we offered both Rojas and Campbell $1m, which is a lot even today for a linebacker. Rojas is worth the money as long as he’s healthy again because there’s actual production in his history and otherworldly athleticism (runs a sub 4.4 40, defense fell apart without him) that gives him even more upside. Campbell has a high motor, good production, and does his best to compensate for his size (reportedly is an inch or two shorter than his PSU roster listing.) Coach Campbell brought at least one ‘Amare Campbell’ with him from ISU, perhaps 2 at likely a fraction of the Amare price tag. There were so many needs on the roster that those funds are being used elsewhere.
 

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Yep.

I fully undetstand Becht is the 26 starter. @ PSU. Not disputing that. Just saying he could have stuck around and competed for 2027 at PSU. Now he is required to compete for 2026 since they brought in another QB and he's going to be in an offense that doesn't exactly ft his skill set.

We don't know what was initially communicated to him by the VT staff either way (guarantee or compete). Remember CJF is the one who constantly said there were QB competitions at PSU and I never believed that to be true. He had his choices and stuck with them.
If you think there would be a true competition between Becht and Grunk for the starting job at PSU, you are beyond clueless.
 

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I wonder if some portal kids end up on the street with no schools wanting them - will be interesting to see.
Kids were run off long before the portal existed though...since scholarship limits were implemented. Not all 4k are in the portal by choice. Some simply aren't worthy of a scholarship.
 

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I don't think either offense is a great fit for him. Grunk is truly a pocket passer--he doesn't want to run at all. Now the offense coming to Penn State would work better than what Franklin wants to do but he'd have been dumb for staying just like he'd be dumb for going to Va Tech,

He'd be smart if he'd even be willing to go to a G5 program for a year then move up. Just go somewhere to play that runs a pro style offense or is willing to.
This is beyond idiotic. Albeit a small sample size, Grunk had a better completion percentage than Becht and better ratings in his 7 starts than Becht had in 3 years at ISU. His first 3 starts were against top 5 defenses and the second and third start were against OSU and Indiana, whose defenses this year were better than any Becht faced in his career. In his third start, Grunk was 22 for 31 for 219 yards with 1 TD and 1 interception while Mendoza was 19 for 30 for 218 yards and 1 TD and 1 interception. I understand but disagree with those who prefer Becht over Grunk and that’s okay but claiming he should drop down a level is asinine. He has clearly demonstrated he can perform at this level even in what you and others claim is an offense ill suited for him.
Seems curious why Grunk's massive message board fan club now thinks he made a huge mistake by leaving. We were informed many times that he should be the starter at Penn State in 2026, but now in just days, suddenly he can't stay and win the job over some kid from UNC? Odd .
well Grunk sure as hell wasn’t starting over Becht genius.
 

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If you think there would be a true competition between Becht and Grunk for the starting job at PSU, you are beyond clueless.
First off, that is harsh. Dayton is a great poster here. Like Dayton, I wanted Grunk as #1 as well. I now realize that with such expectations placed on a new coach like Campbell and the need to have a degree of year one success for a variety of reasons, most coaches will go with the QB that already is successful in their system. Supposedly they did want to retain Grunk, but he understandably wants to be a starter.
 

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This is beyond idiotic. Albeit a small sample size, Grunk had a better completion percentage than Becht and better ratings in his 7 starts than Becht had in 3 years at ISU. His first 3 starts were against top 5 defenses and the second and third start were against OSU and Indiana, whose defenses this year were better than any Becht faced in his career. In his third start, Grunk was 22 for 31 for 219 yards with 1 TD and 1 interception while Mendoza was 19 for 30 for 218 yards and 1 TD and 1 interception. I understand but disagree with those who prefer Becht over Grunk and that’s okay but claiming he should drop down a level is asinine. He has clearly demonstrated he can perform at this level even in what you and others claim is an offense ill suited for him.
Next time read...it wasn't an insult to Grunk. He needs to play. There's nothing wrong with being in G5...tons of guys like Josh Allen came from that world. He needs to find an offense that fits his skillset and I believe he'll be great. Going to VA Tech is beyond stupid. Not because he's not good enough because he doesn't fit the scheme. We also altered the scheme after BGJ left...he won't do that for Grunk or anyone else
 

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This gets funnier every day.

Kids portaling out= don't want to compete, aren't any good, will move down a level, making bad choices, etc

Kids portaling in= ready to play major roles. ready for the B1G, making wise choices

Homerism at its finest.
👍👍👍
 

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This gets funnier every day.

Kids portaling out= don't want to compete, aren't any good, will move down a level, making bad choices, etc

Kids portaling in= ready to play major roles. ready for the B1G, making wise choices

Homerism at its finest.

Speaking of homerism, there were some posters whining loudly when some of their sentimental PSU favorites hit the portal. All of a sudden Grunk is a Dan Marino esque QB, one career sack Chaz Coleman is the next Abdul Carter, Amare Campbell is a great LB, DT Gilliam is great, etc. If Penn State’s outgoing players were that great, how did the team end up near the bottom tier of the B1G with a 3-6 conference record. Not a single Penn State defensive player made the all B1G defense team selected by B1G coaches. The internal bias of overrating our own players is off the charts.

Bill Parcells: “You are what your record says you are”. This quote is so true.
 
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To be fair...McManus missed and XP but it's no longer the equivalent of a 20 yard FG and kickers are more accurate than ever. Especially from long distance. Missed tackles and drops always existed...nostalgia just changes how we remember things.
The game is a lot faster now than it was decades ago...while I agree players miss too many tackles...better athletes create those as well.
Please stop. I’m 73 and have watched a lot of football over the years. The lack of football fundamentals, especially tackling, is atrocious. Guys repeatedly, including if not especially, in the NFL who throw their bodies at runners and receivers rather than wrapping up is rampant these days.