His post was mocking the way you apparently come across to an awful lot of us here: overwhelmingly negative, rarely constructive, rarely reasonable, scared of admitting he is wrong, unwilling to grow.
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Opinions are like a**holes Datt. Everyone has them. The irony of you critiquing anyone on this board as coming across as “awful” to a lot here is nothing short of laughable.
For the record, I knew what he was doing, and you’re the last person here that needs to be pointing out negative things to others.
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Mac I think you deserve some sort of medal whether you're right or wrong, dodging bullets right and left.(Btw I do think it would be a shot in the arm if Javin could hit an occasional mid-range or 3 pt shot). I love that kid, and if he DID develop that shot who knows? That might make him stick at the next level, not to mention teams sagging off him this year to double on Zion and/or R.J.
Anyway Mac you are to be commended sir for standing by your thoughts RIGHT or WRONG because I know how much you and your dad love the Blue Devils, and hopefully you get down to some more games with your dad and/or your young daughter this season. Just remember you can't fight city hall and its cronies....Hang in there buddy! Lighten up gang! "Baby diarrhea???!!!" Come on folks, we're better than that....This is DI, not THR...
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Anyway Mac you are to be commended sir for standing by your thoughts RIGHT or WRONG because I know how much you and your dad love the Blue Devils, and hopefully you get down to some more games with your dad and/or your young daughter this season. Just remember you can't fight city hall and its cronies....Hang in there buddy! Lighten up gang! "Baby diarrhea???!!!" Come on folks, we're better than that....This is DI, not THR...
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Quotations are like, clichés, man...
And an ad hominem is an ad hominem even when you say it twice because your word count isn't high enough or something.
Just like intolerance of intolerance is not an equal intolerance, pointing out someone's negativity is not equally negative.
Some other day, if I'm inappropriately negative, by all means, please point it out. You see, I welcome opportunities to grow and am not so terrified of that process that I will dig my heels in over every single little thing. I guarantee I won't start blubbering about some other time when you permanently forfeited your right to criticize anything according to some fake rule I just made up to deflect from the current situation.
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That's called a participation trophy, and from what I've heard, they are to blame for all the things.
Know what else would be awesome? If Javin could bake the most delicious pies the world has ever seen. Let's fight this acknowledgement of his fg % by pointing out how handing out just 10 pies to the opposing starters at the tip would mean getting a turnover on every defensive stand until they were forced to go to their bench. It's pretty pathetic that Javin has been here 3 years and still: no pies!
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Thread recap: Mac not impressed by Javin being 25-29. Said overblown. Almost everyone else disagrees. Show pick on Mac. Mac no like Show picking on him. Datt resurfaces ( after a long relaxing break) and scolds Mac. Mac no like Datt scolding him. Mac told he hates oad. Mac say no he don't. Datt become more irritated with Mac. Poor Datt dealing with baby with diarrhea. Mac light bigger fire bringing up Greg Paulus. Mac call some Sunshine Pumpers. Hart2chesson come in to assist Mac.
Datt says Javin likes pies and should bake for opposing team. Good strategy. Hart offers Jabari bars as peace offering. Datt smiles.
We all receive participation trophy.
Datt says Javin likes pies and should bake for opposing team. Good strategy. Hart offers Jabari bars as peace offering. Datt smiles.
We all receive participation trophy.
Dude, weren’t you the one the one who asked for us to start disagreeing on the podcast? Now it happens yet again on the board and you get pissed. I tried to have a debate with you and you got mad that I disagreed. Not sure who’s really at fault here.
Look, being a 4 star doesn’t mean automatic acceptance into the “I can shoot club.” Some people can just never learn that skill. But this 4-star is starting over a 5-star and getting major minutes.
I’m not sure if your argument was player development and who’s to blame or not, but you spend too much time defending your right to disagree and call out Coach K, and not enough time forming a collected well thought out opinion.
I would have liked to keep the discussion going, but any disagreements go straight to “no one can disagree on this board.” That’s false. Look at the first 40 or 50 posts of most of our threads. They go just fine. Then after being on for about 3 days, someone (not calling out you btw, just a general someone) decides to come in and blow it up.
Have your opinion, just be prepared to defend it. Just my two cents man.
That's really the only thing wrong with you Mac. You dodge the issue. EVERY time. you say something, then pronounce so loudly you never said that. You post on a message board, give your opinions , which many times are wrong, then scream ATTACK whenever someone calls you on it. You're probably a really good dude. But this is you on a message board. I thought I was really the only one who saw it, but I guess now the entire board has seen it. I actually think you would already be through with it and back on course were it not for your lil helper always screaming your praise after a call out. I'm gonna try to get back to the board now, looks like other posters are doing some of the heavy lifting now, Happy New Year bro.
Never was mad at you, dude. You disagreed with my take on Javin. No problem. Last I checked, I quoted you once. Did I degrade your opinion. Did I shout at you? No. You have a right to disagree with me, and for the most part, you and I have gotten along on here.
It's the out of the blue, off the cuff comments that have Nothing to do with the debate that have always irritated me. It's a weakness I have.
Or when someone comes in and says something to me that's totally not true. Your podcast sidekick, Timo, said I hate the oad's. What would you say if I said "Hokie, why do you despise Bolden?" Had he come in and said "I know you didn't like last seasons oad's, he would have been correct. But he didn't.
I would either explain why I don’t like Bolden, or defend why I do, but I wouldn’t constantly call out a group of people on the medium in which I choose to converse. That’s it. It’s all text and binary, you can’t possibly try to add connotation to every post. When that happens, it always ends badly on every messageboard known to man. Address what’s in front of you and move on. At least that’s how I see it.
What is the issue that I dodge? I take a stance, whether some like it or not.
Same to you, Happy New Year
What? Timo said something to me that was just not true, and had absolutely nothing to do with this thread. Nothing. I quoted you once and no more. I responded to the others that disagreed with my take.
Posters here make little joking comments all the time, either little backhanded jabs at others, and it's all good...yet watch what would happen if a joke was made about a former oad, or that K should try this, or that. Any negativity Duke related shouldn't be brought back up, because some say so.
I would be more than happy to do a phone in on a podcast. Duke basketball. I have no problem talking Duke basketball.
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What do you mean “what?” I answered your hypothetical question. Not sure of the confusion there.
What do you mean “what?” I answered your hypothetical question. Not sure of the confusion there.
Hilarious how you totally spent a month here trashing OAD's but now, you've never said anything against OAD's, hell, you love 'em today! You're really beginning to remind me of that dude on that freaky movie we watched a few months back called Split. Are you getting ready to bring out 'the Beast?"
Dude i made a general statement on how you don’t like the OAD. I didn’t quote you, i didn’t say you hate all of our OAD players. I made the general statement on your feelings that you’ve made clear about the OAD era both subtly and not so subtly. I made the statement to support what i found to be an ironic jab at the type of player that is the opposite of the stereo typical OAD prospect. He’s unselfish, he runs his own race, he understands and accepts his particular role which is that of a workerbee and not the queen. Why you would take a shot at him shooting 25/29 bc none of them are jumpers is bizarre. Like who cares? Javin KNOWS HIS ROLE.
Either way that was the point. Maybe it made sense to you or to some and maybe it made no sense at all to everyone but me. It’s quite comical though for you to misquote K earlier in the thread and then get butthurt about my comment which wasn’t me quoting you at all. My general statement was formed by observing countless posts of you taking potshots or making backhanded comments about many of our recent players and rosters.
Btw just to continue playing in the mud here, which i believe is what you want to begin with, your favorite target MBIII has had a few recent very pro duke posts on social media. I know he is just all about himself and never bought in, but he seems to really enjoy repping Duke, and quite frankly as a fan and avid supporter of Duke, we want that happening. We want that happening because other kids see it and it helps us stay on top.
I have been nothing but clear on my take regarding oad’s. Some I like, some I don’t. What’s so hard to understand about that. I like many, haven’t liked some. I realize that’s taboo to you and a few others.
You can try and get cute all you want. Just for your own benefit, here goes.
Irving, yes
Rivers, no
Parker, no
Okafor, Winslow, Jones, yes yes and yes
Ingram, yes
Tatum, Jackson, Giles, no yes and yes
Bagley, Carter, Duval, Trent, no yes no and no
This group, yes yes yes and yes
I liked the 16 team, but not the 17 and 18 teams. After watching this team play for 12 games, my opinion on last couple teams I believe are accurate.
Now read carefully Show, I have admitted, yes admitted, I was wrong to have judged this team preseason. I wouldn’t trade this team for the last couple regardless if we lose to unc two times, and don’t get past sweet 16. Bet most probably feel same way.
I will not apologize for having an unpopular view on some of our past kids or the team. Hard for me to get giddy over a team that doesn’t seem to care like the one we’re watching this season.
Once again, I think this bunch wants to do well, and wants to please K.
Great that Bagley is pumping Duke up. Wish he and a couple of the others had played with the same fire that our freshmen this season do. Let’s not go there though, right? How dare I think Zion plays harder than he did. I shouldn’t think Trent and Duval didn’t fully buy in either.
How can any Duke fan possibly say, with a straight face, that this team plays no harder than some of our other OAD dominant teams?
See man. There’s your problem. No one can take you seriously because YOU create the issues. No one else. Not one single person brought up what you’re complaining about, yet YOU choose to rehash it as if the board is out to get you. This level of paranoia can’t be helped.
What in the blue hell does any of this have to do with Javin? We could have gone back to his contribution 22 posts ago, but here we are with this same old stuff again.
You’re addressing something that was posted, I get it, but when you have to spend 11 posts explaining the same old argument that’s been going on for three years now, maybe it’s time to move on from the point.
Let’s also not forget that you have to defend this contrived argument, because you did not address at all what was at hand. That being, why are you not satisfied with Javin’s contribution. You vaguely mentioned his inability to hit threes or even take them. You sort of alluded to the fact that he looks uncomfortable, but then it’s back to the same old “I have the awesome unpopular opinion so I’ll take the heat for saying this stuff.”
What are you saying that’s so edgy? No Javin doesn’t shoot threes. Not his role and frankly we’re better off with him not doing so.
Sure he looked uncomfortable in early November. At this point, he’s still rebounding, running the floor and staying out of foul trouble for the most part all while upping his blocks per game since Hawaii and limiting his turnovers (one per game since Indiana). So therefore I refute your opinion on the stance that he hasn’t looked comfortable.
So, please I’d like to hear it without all of the other hoopla, what is it that you don’t like about what Javin has offered this team? I’m genuinely interested.
Shouldn’t have said that about Javin. Good kid, hard working. Expecting too much out of him. I WAS WRONG. Many of our former bigs are similar in that regard, and some have gone on to make millions at the next level.
I didn’t bring up the oad. That’s on your boy Show and Timo. Every time Show gets irritated, he fires off about me not liking them. That’s bull.
I’m going to post my opinion here and try to get this thread back on course, if possible. I apologize if this matches something already said. To be honest I had missed most of this thread and while attempting to catch up I got lost both in substance or lack thereof and interest in reading the back and forth exchanges......
I think a majority opinion of the board is that we need to get more efficient in our half court offense. We seem to be electric in transition and suffocating on defense, but the one thing keeping us from being unstoppable is our half court offense. The most important thing that one can do to help create efficiency in the half court is to learn the difference between good shots and bad shots. An efficient offense will not take the first available shot, they will work to find the most efficient shot.
I don’t believe anyone on here attends practices, we really have no idea what is going on. Maybe Javin is taking 1000 jumpers after practice and trying his best to develop that part of that game, we just don’t know. What I do know is that games are not where people try to develop their skills. If Javin isn’t confident shooting a jumper, I don’t want him shooting a jumper, it would be a bad shot. Not to knock Marshall Plumlee but if he decided to start pulling the trigger on 3’s during parts of the game when the game was in doubt, the board would have gone bananas. Just because the goal of our offensive philosophy is to have 1-5 all be able to knock down a stand still 3 doesn’t mean you ride the pine until you are capable of doing so. We’ve seen Zion take 3’s, we’ve seen Marques take 3’s, it hasn’t been all that pretty. I don’t necessarily knock them for their attempts, but the more we see, the more context we have as to whether they are good shots or a bad shots.
I actually applaud Javin for his fg percentage. To me it highlights a player who knows what he is capable of and what he is not. Whether they were all dunks or all 3’s shooting a high percentage like that tells me that Javin understands a good shot from a bad shot and thus is helping our offense be most efficient.
If this was a Wake Forest team or a BC team where a 4 star needed to be the focal point of an offense, perhaps my opinion would change. But we have plenty of alpha males to go around on offense, we don’t need another just for the sake of maximizing the 5 out philosophy. If Javin’s ability to set a hard screen or keep the ball moving or attacking the glass to grab an offensive rebound helps our offense be more efficient, that is what I’m hoping he does.
I don’t think the stat was overblown, I think it actually paints a much larger picture that I don’t believe was even intended. To me it says much more than a high percentage of shots going in. To me, it highlights a player who is slowly but surely coming along and has entirely bought in to his role within Duke basketball. For a program who has had several players transfer out early and criticized as such, Javin is a player who doesn’t seem to be discouraged that we are constantly recruiting over him (I’m sorry someone will have to let me know if I used that correctly). He has accepted his role and is doing his best to make us most efficient.
I think a majority opinion of the board is that we need to get more efficient in our half court offense. We seem to be electric in transition and suffocating on defense, but the one thing keeping us from being unstoppable is our half court offense. The most important thing that one can do to help create efficiency in the half court is to learn the difference between good shots and bad shots. An efficient offense will not take the first available shot, they will work to find the most efficient shot.
I don’t believe anyone on here attends practices, we really have no idea what is going on. Maybe Javin is taking 1000 jumpers after practice and trying his best to develop that part of that game, we just don’t know. What I do know is that games are not where people try to develop their skills. If Javin isn’t confident shooting a jumper, I don’t want him shooting a jumper, it would be a bad shot. Not to knock Marshall Plumlee but if he decided to start pulling the trigger on 3’s during parts of the game when the game was in doubt, the board would have gone bananas. Just because the goal of our offensive philosophy is to have 1-5 all be able to knock down a stand still 3 doesn’t mean you ride the pine until you are capable of doing so. We’ve seen Zion take 3’s, we’ve seen Marques take 3’s, it hasn’t been all that pretty. I don’t necessarily knock them for their attempts, but the more we see, the more context we have as to whether they are good shots or a bad shots.
I actually applaud Javin for his fg percentage. To me it highlights a player who knows what he is capable of and what he is not. Whether they were all dunks or all 3’s shooting a high percentage like that tells me that Javin understands a good shot from a bad shot and thus is helping our offense be most efficient.
If this was a Wake Forest team or a BC team where a 4 star needed to be the focal point of an offense, perhaps my opinion would change. But we have plenty of alpha males to go around on offense, we don’t need another just for the sake of maximizing the 5 out philosophy. If Javin’s ability to set a hard screen or keep the ball moving or attacking the glass to grab an offensive rebound helps our offense be more efficient, that is what I’m hoping he does.
I don’t think the stat was overblown, I think it actually paints a much larger picture that I don’t believe was even intended. To me it says much more than a high percentage of shots going in. To me, it highlights a player who is slowly but surely coming along and has entirely bought in to his role within Duke basketball. For a program who has had several players transfer out early and criticized as such, Javin is a player who doesn’t seem to be discouraged that we are constantly recruiting over him (I’m sorry someone will have to let me know if I used that correctly). He has accepted his role and is doing his best to make us most efficient.
I see no sign that Show is irritated.
You just admitted to disliking many of our OADs and attacked Bagley's character despite K's testimony to how hard he works. You clearly never learned the rule about being in a hole.
Too bad Mac and I rent space in your head free. Try to make that a resolution you'll overcome in the new year.....
Thanks,
"Little Helper"
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I wouldn’t expect anything less from you Datt.
You’re doing a good job toeing the company line pal.
Do you really expect K to say “Bagley was horrible on defense?” Yet he makes several comments about this team but that means nothing in regards to some past players or teams.
Sometimes you just have to open your eyes and connect the dots.
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Oh Hart, BLESS your heart. You have no clue but at least you stay in the game, lol. You two think you make me angry? Not at all, I just get tired of Mac repeating the same thing over...and over....and over......and over........and over............and over. In his next 1000 posts, it'll never vary, like a bad echo. It's just tiresome. Do you two think in your tiny little minds you're the only 2 who see it differently? Don't just post, read a little.
Show and I couldn't disagree more on certain things.
Your flip-flopping between calling me a "company man" and attempting to ostracize me speaks to the irrational desperation you resort to hen faced with the slightest criticism.
I consider K to be an honorable man who might offer no public comment about a player's shortcomings, but who most definitely wouldn't praise the same shortcoming as if it were a strength.
I don't think K is perfect. I don't think he's above criticism. You,apparently think he's a straight-up liar.
We weren't talking about Bag's defense. You referred to "fire": "Wish he...had played with the same fire that our freshmen this season do..." That's an attack on his character.
Never mind, please carry on....
I think we all need a Duke game...badly.
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I went back, read it, and liked it.
I guess the one thing I'd quibble about if I had to would be about the shot a good half court offense looks for. "Most efficient" shot would imply that there's :03 on the shot clock if we haven't gotten a lay-up yet. As talented as some of our players are, perhaps we should raise the bar on what constitutes a "good shot" and instead look for the better shot. Our 4 freshmen starters can create enough space to get a shot off at any time, and if we were much less talented, maybe that opening would be the right shot, but if this team can get that shot at any time, yes, we should hunt the better shot.
On the other hand, prioritizing quick half court sets can be a way of pushing pace, and that's going to play to our advantage more often than not.