2daves September 25 now up
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It's an instant classic. I probably need to start a "best of the two daves" and put it up, there's been some great ones over the years. <div>mstatefan88 said:
</div><div>One of my favorites of all time was Tim Tyler's writeup on an ole miss game</div><div>
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So many of your fans have yet to face the reality that the 1960's ended. And I'm dead serious when I say that. Since integration, Mississippi's football program is a bottom-feeder in the SEC.
Many of you act like you guys are so above State and it isn't even close, yet you are only 23-17 against us since 1970- 10-10 the last 20 years.
You are the only SEC West team to not make it to Atlanta- yet you would think you guys have been a few times to hear your fans talk. No SEC titles, not even a West title. Nothing. (claim the shared title all you want- head-to-head LSU won the West)
You fired Cutcliffe after one bad season thinking it would be easy to find a good replacement- afterall, you are Ole Miss by God....and you end up having to hire your 6th choice as head coach- a man nobody else would have hired. Fortunately, that idiot could recruit and he did bring in some players. But you had to fire him after 3 years because he was probably a worse coach than Crooms- but his recruiting masked that.
Now, you have Houston Nutt who is a solid coach, but he fell into your lap because he was getting run out of Arkansas. Had you not had Nutt fall in your lap- it would have been interesting to see who you guys could have tricked into taking the job.
Meanwhile, the other in-state school that is so beneath you, fired the worst coach in SEC history, and hired their 2nd choice- who happened to be one of the top Coordinators in the country. That new coach skulldrags you guys in the Egg Bowl- and the only thing you can respond with is "what bowl did ya'll go to?"
Now, the idiot's players are mostly gone, and you guys have to live with Nutt and it isnt going so well again. And in spite of those 2 Cotton Bowl appearances, you guys are back on the bottom, wondering if you can somehow pull off an upset of the lowly in-state school that is so beneath you- because that is the only chance you have of saving any dignity of the 2010 season.
The Mississippi Rebels are an SEC football bottom-feeder...the Jim Crow days are over. That is the reality and something you need to think about when Fresno is beating that *** Saturday.
Many of you act like you guys are so above State and it isn't even close, yet you are only 23-17 against us since 1970- 10-10 the last 20 years.
You are the only SEC West team to not make it to Atlanta- yet you would think you guys have been a few times to hear your fans talk. No SEC titles, not even a West title. Nothing. (claim the shared title all you want- head-to-head LSU won the West)
You fired Cutcliffe after one bad season thinking it would be easy to find a good replacement- afterall, you are Ole Miss by God....and you end up having to hire your 6th choice as head coach- a man nobody else would have hired. Fortunately, that idiot could recruit and he did bring in some players. But you had to fire him after 3 years because he was probably a worse coach than Crooms- but his recruiting masked that.
Now, you have Houston Nutt who is a solid coach, but he fell into your lap because he was getting run out of Arkansas. Had you not had Nutt fall in your lap- it would have been interesting to see who you guys could have tricked into taking the job.
Meanwhile, the other in-state school that is so beneath you, fired the worst coach in SEC history, and hired their 2nd choice- who happened to be one of the top Coordinators in the country. That new coach skulldrags you guys in the Egg Bowl- and the only thing you can respond with is "what bowl did ya'll go to?"
Now, the idiot's players are mostly gone, and you guys have to live with Nutt and it isnt going so well again. And in spite of those 2 Cotton Bowl appearances, you guys are back on the bottom, wondering if you can somehow pull off an upset of the lowly in-state school that is so beneath you- because that is the only chance you have of saving any dignity of the 2010 season.
The Mississippi Rebels are an SEC football bottom-feeder...the Jim Crow days are over. That is the reality and something you need to think about when Fresno is beating that *** Saturday.
The Cutcliffe firing shows that the arrogance goes all the way to the top. He was UM's most successful coach in decades, and brought them a legitimate Heisman candidate QB. Then they fire him after his first down year.
I distinctly remember Pete Boone saying they should be "all the time competitive, not sometimes competitive". Yeah, for a time after moderate success, Ole Miss really believed they were akin to an Alabama or Florida. This, not from the likes of a message board, but straight from the top.
I distinctly remember Pete Boone saying they should be "all the time competitive, not sometimes competitive". Yeah, for a time after moderate success, Ole Miss really believed they were akin to an Alabama or Florida. This, not from the likes of a message board, but straight from the top.
I'm pretty sure that Cutcliffe was hired at the request of Archie Manning, something like:
"You want Eli to come to Ole Miss instead of Tennessee? Hire David Cutcliffe as your head coach then".
And so it was. Eli's gone, Ole Miss dumps him because they didn't want him to start with.
"You want Eli to come to Ole Miss instead of Tennessee? Hire David Cutcliffe as your head coach then".
And so it was. Eli's gone, Ole Miss dumps him because they didn't want him to start with.
No doubt they were delusional with who they thought they were going to replace him with, butI've been convinced by people in his program that he didn't have what it takes to be a head coach at an SEC school.They had a bare cupboard and a coach that had no plan to turn it around. They could have waited for another year, but still would have been killed for firing him. What they did was probably the best possible scenarioeven if it was largely luck.Go ahead and take the hit, hire the best recruiter possibleout of the few ****** coaches willing to take the job,then try to get a good coach after the cupboard is refilled.FlabLoser said:
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I think bama will have a big day passing early, then run outthe clock out late...
Mallet will have a big day as I don't think our secondary is ready....
just spitballin.... 38-28, Bama
Mallet will have a big day as I don't think our secondary is ready....
just spitballin.... 38-28, Bama
Alabama will probably come out hitting short passes and a few mid to deep routes, and once upig gets 8 out of the box, well, meet Ingram and Richardson.
But I won't be surprised if bama just lines up and rams it down Arkansas throat, and there is not a damned thing Petrino can do to stop it. Without a handgun, that is.
But I won't be surprised if bama just lines up and rams it down Arkansas throat, and there is not a damned thing Petrino can do to stop it. Without a handgun, that is.
State: 8 losing seasons out of the last 10. 12 of the last 20. 19 of the last 30. Nine bowls in 30 years, going 4-5. Eleven in the last 50 years (1960).
Ole Miss: 6 winning seasons in the last 10. 13 winning seasons in the last 20. 16 of the last 30. I could keep going back, but Ole Miss only had three losing seasons between '61 and '80. Five bowls (4-1) in the last 10 years, ten in the last 20 years (8-2), sixteen in the last 30 years (12-4). Oh yeah, Ole Miss was also put under one of the worst probations in college football history during one part of this history.
Look, I know the point you are trying to make. I don't think Ole Miss is some high-achieving football program since integration. Fact is, it isn't. But seriously, don't let facts get in the way in claiming that Ole Miss doesn't have a much better resume since 1960 (I like to use 1970 or 1971 since that is when Ole Miss first integrated, and the first black player played in 1973) that Mississippi State. Its just not factually correct. In fact, its not even close. You can make all this blabber about being 10-10 in the last 20....but Ole Miss is 9-11 against LSU in the last 20 with two straight beatings, and I don't think any of you would claim that the programs are even remotely close.
I'm sure you'll make some comment again about not winning an SEC West Title. Yes, that is a huge black mark on the program since integration and, more specifically, 1992. But that doesn't change the difference in the programs over a long period of time.
ETA: And oh yeah, our fanbase is delusional as a whole. That I completely admit. I am also a hypocrite, so no need to go down that aisle either.
...be touting your recent winning seasons so much. The reality is that the gap between Ole Miss and State just isn't there, and the head to head record that coach spouts over the last 20 years verifies this. Ole Miss has historically played a pathetically easy schedule, especially since the mid 90s when Tuberville was coaching and you guys were coming off your near-death penalty from the NCAA. The record over the last 20 years head to head also includes a five year stretch of futility for State that was historically bad, which is saying something.
Sure, you have victories over LSU. We have victories over Alabama.
Basically, you're arguing levels of suck. We've both sucked historically. Maybe you've sucked a little less in your W-L record, but that doesn't mean there's a gap there. It just means that you're playing sisters of the poor while we're playing Oregon, BYU, Oklahoma State, Georgia Tech, West Virginia, and Houston.
Sure, you have victories over LSU. We have victories over Alabama.
Basically, you're arguing levels of suck. We've both sucked historically. Maybe you've sucked a little less in your W-L record, but that doesn't mean there's a gap there. It just means that you're playing sisters of the poor while we're playing Oregon, BYU, Oklahoma State, Georgia Tech, West Virginia, and Houston.
It might help if I slowed down a little. But to some degree my rant still stands. Just not in this context.
Northern Arizona, Southern Illinois, Idaho State, Wyoming (who beat you 2x), U-La-La, Ark State (a lot), directional Louisiana (a lot) and Vandy every year....
versus.....
Oregon, West Virginia, Georgia Tech, Texas (who we beat 2x), BYU.
Quiz time!
Of the traditional ten SEC schools which school has play bama the most? Played bama the least?
Of the traditional ten SEC schools which school has playVandy the most? PlayedVandy the least?
Yep, Umiss has played Vandy the most and bama the least (you NEVER played bama in ANY of your SEC title years).
MSU has played bama the most and Vandy the least.
Scheduling is the difference. The curse of LT and his ilk.
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versus.....
Oregon, West Virginia, Georgia Tech, Texas (who we beat 2x), BYU.
Quiz time!
Of the traditional ten SEC schools which school has play bama the most? Played bama the least?
Of the traditional ten SEC schools which school has playVandy the most? PlayedVandy the least?
Yep, Umiss has played Vandy the most and bama the least (you NEVER played bama in ANY of your SEC title years).
MSU has played bama the most and Vandy the least.
Scheduling is the difference. The curse of LT and his ilk.
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I don't think you can say the "chief difference" between the schools lately has been scheduling.Now, if MSU had beaten those schools and also lost the tough OOC games while OM beat those schools and won their OOC games, then I would agree with you.</p>
Annnnd MSU beat UM. Dude you are right with the other delusional fans if you believe UM would have sniffed Dallas last year with MSU's schedule. I laugh in the face of UM fans that beat a team like Northern Arizona and then look at meand ask what happened when MSU loses to a highly ranked Georgia Tech. <div>jackstefano said:
</div><div>And this year's schedule was set up best for UM out of all of them to get a fast start for another bowl.... and UM is currently shitting the bed. You are currently equal to 2004 MSU in performance..... so much for being superior.</div>
I think the last 10 years have put a little distance between the programs, but not alot, especially considering the 3 years we had Ed Orgeron. Croom and Orgeron are two of the biggest black eyes (including the probations) on the programs in the last 50 years, in my opinion.
If we were having this conversation 10 years ago, I think you could make a very legitimate case that State was the better program. I think two Cotton Bowls and 5 bowls in 10 years while MSU suffered through 8 losing seasons has put OM back on top, but not by much.
I think, as far as attractiveness is concerned TODAY for football players, both programs are pretty much even.
If we were having this conversation 10 years ago, I think you could make a very legitimate case that State was the better program. I think two Cotton Bowls and 5 bowls in 10 years while MSU suffered through 8 losing seasons has put OM back on top, but not by much.
I think, as far as attractiveness is concerned TODAY for football players, both programs are pretty much even.
The point wasn't about individual games between Ole Miss and MSU...the original post that jackstefano responded to had to do with common opponents and scheduling.
Against common opponents in the previous two seasons, Ole Miss is 9-4. State is 4-9. ***** all you want about our schedule the last two years (and it is probably justified), but the difference in our records has been the fact that Ole Miss beat our common opponents more often than State did.
Against common opponents in the previous two seasons, Ole Miss is 9-4. State is 4-9. ***** all you want about our schedule the last two years (and it is probably justified), but the difference in our records has been the fact that Ole Miss beat our common opponents more often than State did.
The point was more historical in nature. Not just last year, the last two years, or the last 5 years. Over the years and decades, Ole Miss traditionally has a patsy schedule compared to State and most of other SEC teams.
Ole Miss made it their tradition to play LSU every year. Otherwise, the skipped Alabama and the like as much as possible. Vaught's idea was a bunch of wins, LSU, and an SEC championship by damn.
Ole Miss made it their tradition to play LSU every year. Otherwise, the skipped Alabama and the like as much as possible. Vaught's idea was a bunch of wins, LSU, and an SEC championship by damn.
You really think there is an appreciable difference in our schedules in the long term? That is just dumb. Who benefited more in the 50's wen UGA, AU and Bama weren't playing us? Are you claiming our teams were not good? That is a new argument.
Since that era we have had little to no difference in scheduling in the league obviously and over the long run I would like to see why one team's fans or another would argue that their OOC has been stronger. Neither team or many teams in this league have a consistently strong OOC schedule over the long run. You play Texas...we played Notre Dame. You play GTech...we play TTech. It all evens out over the years. most of the time we are all playing CUSA level OOCs.
I really would like to see your argument here. Skipped Bama and the "like"? Bear didn't want to play us...Vaught didn't care to play them for a stretch...both were good.
Since that era we have had little to no difference in scheduling in the league obviously and over the long run I would like to see why one team's fans or another would argue that their OOC has been stronger. Neither team or many teams in this league have a consistently strong OOC schedule over the long run. You play Texas...we played Notre Dame. You play GTech...we play TTech. It all evens out over the years. most of the time we are all playing CUSA level OOCs.
I really would like to see your argument here. Skipped Bama and the "like"? Bear didn't want to play us...Vaught didn't care to play them for a stretch...both were good.
over the last 5 years (05-09):
Both MSU and Ole Miss are 7-18 vs SECW.
versus SECW and Vanderbilt:
MSU 9-18
UM 9-21
Both MSU and Ole Miss are 7-18 vs SECW.
versus SECW and Vanderbilt:
MSU 9-18
UM 9-21
"Dude", where did I say that? It'd be nice if you responded to the content of my post, instead of spewing venom.WalkTheDawg said: