3-9?
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We'll likely lost to OSU & Indy which puts us at 3-6. We should have a shot against MSU & Rutgers but I don't feel good about Nebraska.
I hope PSU wins every game but I hope we don't go to a bowl. The opt outs combined with Allar & Rojas injuries would make it a total crap show.
Yeah but if by some miracle we get to 6-6 our bowl opponent would be as bad as we are. There are still some players that are busting their butts so they should be rewarded with a bowl game. We can beat a comparable MAC or Big 12 team.
Who cares now? Kraft and this irrational and impatient fan base has put us back to square one.
Instead of schedule watching to see who we want to win and lose to get us into the Playoffs next year and the years thereafter, we’ll be going through a continuous string of coaches using us as a stepping stone for a more stable job, and a bunch of paid mercenaries (players) who don’t give a crap about Penn State.
Nebraska, after all these years, finally made a good coaching decision wrt extending Rhule’s contract. Now they’ll finally have a half decent coach that won’t be looking over his shoulder every time he has a 1 point or double overtime loss.
If you're scared, go get a dog. All change isn't bad.
I'm personally excited to see what the future brings us.
Okay, but the last head coach that we hired lasted almost twelve seasons and was fairly successful, so why can't the new coach do the same and maybe even better? Also, based on what you had seen from the last head coach, do you really believe that he ever was going to get this program to take the next steps, which would mean beating OSU and Oregon on a regular basis and making a NC game? I was hopeful, but lost that hope this season. Finally, it appeared as if the last head coach basically had run his course here and appeared to be burned out with the whole situation; this whole program had slipped dramatically this season in every way under his guidance.
Still can't come to terms with the fact that you loved and supported the wrong guy, can you? You think we should not even mention his inept attempts to imitate a head coach. You hate being reminded of your foolishness and want it all to go away.
So who’s the “right guy” Einstein? Give me a name?
We are now officially 180 degrees different from the time when Joe was here. Back then, our victories were earned by kids that cared about Penn State and what it used to stand for. Now our victories are paid for to a bunch of hired hands that are here today, and gone tomorrow.
I have to laugh at you idiots that think we are going to hire some super coach that’s going to magically win us National Championships every year. No wonder the rest of the Country thinks Penn State has jumped the shark.
Yep, this is going to be a long project at best. Favorable results are not just around the corner.Good for you!!! Can’t wait to see how “excited” you are this time next year.
"At best"? So the best case scenario is that this is a "long project"? You don't see a scenario where a new coach has any sort of success at PSU in the next several years?
We're Penn State, not Temple.
but if Nebraska kicks our azz this year, they should hold a press conference to fire Terry as interim coach.
They’re not good. They’ll probably beat Penn State but that’s not saying much this year.
Again-- "irrational"?
How so?
You can't make public declarations about how good you are, and then crash full speed into an oil refinery, and expect no consequences. Franklin was unable to beat any opponents that were actually good, and then in the year where he supposedly had his best-ever team, and best-ever coaching staff, he couldn't even win games where he was favored by 20+ points.
I don't think you know what "irrational" means.
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“Irrational” means needlessly wasting a crap load of money that could have more efficiently been used to buy players, needlessly wasting over 11 years of building valuable recruiting contacts, and needlessly wasting over 11 years of rebranding our Program’s reputation for dependable stability that becomes an extremely valuable promotion to kids and parents when you walk through their front door.
Why? Because a guy that was a bad throw away from getting us to the National Championship Game last year after two Playoff wins, and would have gotten us to the Playoffs 7 out of his first 11 years under their current configuration, was fired because he lost 3 straight games by a TOTAL of SIX points in regulation. The ONLY year he didn’t have a winning record was the Covid year. Heck. He didn’t even have a losing record THIS year.
The guy was fired for a double OT loss to last year’s Conference Championship team that could have gone either way, a horrible game that came after a 3,000 mile trip and was an admittedly bad loss (which we made a great comeback in), and a game at the Beav that was lost as much by the constantly booing and hostiley chanting crowd as the team. Even the whole Northwestern team rushed to the student section after the last play of the game to thank them.
You’re right though. I guess I could have more accurately defined our fan base as a bunch of spoiled, entitled brats.
Okay, but what if Franklin after the predictable Oregon outcome just had lost his passion and probably didn't want to be here anymore; his demeanor definitely seemed to indicate that? Also, if you look at the current makeup of the roster, it appears as if he really recruited and used the portal very poorly at several positions, including qb, d-line and linebackers, and also had lost many recruting battles in the last several months to schools like ND. It really looked like Franklin had reached his ceiling and that this program under his continued leadership not only wasn't going to take the next step, but actually was going to go backwards. Much like the Steelers with Tomlin, PSU simply needed a change after this season, because it just had become the same old, same old, and actually worse with the ridiculous performances against UCLA and NU.
Finally, regarding about PSU fans being entitled, in his almost twelve seasons as head coach, Franklin won one Big 10 Championship and made the playoffs one time; despite his overall good record and several major bowl wins, it's not like PSU won much of importance during his tenure. So how are PSU fans entitled? It's not like we've experienced a bunch of conference and national championships since 2014 like Bama, Clemson, UGA, Michigan and OSU have. I don't think that it's too much to ask a program like PSU that has the fan base and pumps as much money into the program that it does to achieve at least a little more in terms of conference and, God forbid, national championships than it did under Franklin, let alone being able to beat the best team in your conference more than one time in eleven attempts.
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CJF had to know that he didn't have much support from either the AD or the Prez. Winning the Oregon game was life or death because of that. The insane fan reaction was the final nail. He was a dead man walking, and smart enough to know it. The guy wears his heart on his sleeve, which isn't always wise- but he is who he is.
You need to be thanking Kraft for amputating the gangrene BGJ has been festering the last 10 years.
Insane fan reaction is evident in the continued support of a loser like Franklin.
Need a football coach? Don't hire a mouthpiece expecting to win against competitive opponents. When did "wearing his heart on his sleeve" become an attractive attribute for a COACH?
Pitiful the menstruating pussywimps you worshipers of the Church of James have become.
Nope, I'm a very happy camper. The last 2 weeks I've had to deal with pain caused by laughing non-stop.
The only thing that would make me happier would be if PS makes an actual coaching hire rather than another greedy mouthpiece that is an imposter.
there are many coaches out there who would be worse than Franklin- we may very well find that out
Yes, we are supposed to believe you are credible after you have been anything but. You would have us believe that there is no one that could be better (or even equal) to St. James.
Saban would be better, Cignetti would be better- and a few others, too. But we aren't going to get them.
Based on how unprepared this team was to play this season and the gaping holes and lack of good depth at several postions, I would say that there are many coaches who can do better than Franklin did in 2025. This was one of the worst coaching jobs that I've ever seen of a PSU football team on many levels, and I saw my first PSU game in 1975.
Entitled is wanting a coach that can beat a winless UCLA and an average Northwestern on homecoming.
Gene Chizik and Larry Coker would be upgrades as well, not going to get them either.
I've seen worse, but I've been around longer, too. But yeah, this year is bad- no doubt about that. But looking at the last ten years, and where Franklin had to start form, he did very well.
None of that matters now anyway. I just remain unconvinced that it's going to get better without getting worse first.
Believe me, I was a Franklin supporter and wanted him to take the last step or two that he really should've taken last season. I also think that, other than being 1-10 against OSU and 0-2 against Oregon and losing several bowls to SEC schools, he mostly had done an admirable job. However, his actions and demeanor after the Oregon loss told me that a change needed to be made.
Also, regardless of the rankings of the 2027 verbals, which would've changed over time, he seemed to be getting beaten by comparable schools for several players in recent years, like ND and Clemson.
Also, from being at the Northwestern game, I've never seen a more toxic environment, some of which probably was unfair to Franklin. However, after being in that environment, I knew that a change was near and probably would be good for both parties; it just had become an untenable situation.
Finally, as we've seen in recent weeks, this just isn't a PSU thing. Ryan Day, whose record is incredibly good, probably was close to being fired at the end of last season if he hadn't gone on the playoff run.
The sign of a truely successful Head Coach is one who builds his Program from scratch to a point where expections become more and more unrealistic. If you only include P-4 teams (which includes Notre Dame), P-4 teams are 1-67 every year when it comes to winning a National Championships.
We just fired a guy that was a bad pass away from playing in the National Championship Game last year after winning his first two Playoff Games. Why? Because he lost three games in a row by a TOTAL of SIX points in regulation. Think about that for a second.
Winning a National Championship is not the “gimmy” that Franklin has built this Program’s spoiled fan base to expect. He basically was too successful long term for his own good.
It's not a "waste", sir. Everything built up to this. This was the season where it was supposedly all going to come together (according to Franklin!).
Not only did it not all come together, he completely crashed and burned. He was given everything he ever wanted, and the result was a HISTORIC choke.
Years from now, when people make lists of "the most epic disappointments in the history of college football" the 2025 Nittany Lions will be #1 on many people's lists.
Understanding that we've hit a ceiling under Franklin and moving on is not "irrational". Firing a coach who never beats anyone that's good isn't "irrational". Refusing to be satisfied with beating 9 weak opponents every year as a supposed blue blood program is not "irrational". Sometimes you gotta make a move in order to transcend where you are. That's what was done here.
It was incredibly rational. The overwhelming evidence is what makes it rational. Ignoring the evidence -- your argument -- is irrational. Ignoring evidence is *always* irrational.
Not necessarily. Kirby Smart is one example of a coach who didn’t have to start from scratch and he certainly has had a successful run as UGA’s HC. Would you claim he hasn’t been?
You have repeated this statement numerous times, and it is not true. The semifinal game was tied at the time of the interception.
Think about those last two losses for a second. And the demeanor and lack of leadership by our checked out coach when everything was still in play after the Oregon game. Unprofessional to not have the team prepared for that UCLA game.
Haha. Having a high water mark of three 2-loss seasons out of 12 is not too successful. He matched that total with seasons at one game over .500 record, and that doesn’t include the sub .500 year(s TBD this season) that he is responsible for.
Name one other program of PSU’s stature who gave a HC that long at the helm with that type of high water mark.
When Franklin couldn't answer the question as to whether he wanted to be at PSU with a simple yes. I would have fired him on the spot.
What did you expect him to say? “Ya, I loved that the crowd had a knife stuck in the back of my guys the whole game”??? At least he was freaking honest.
There were a lot of people at that game that were embarrassed as **** of the pathetic behavior of that crowd. The only people in the stadium it helped was Northwestern. They absolutely loved it.
Is this your way of expressing that you have absolutely NO problem with the firing? You keep saying you've got no problem with it, then follow up with more crying.
HAAA!!!! Firing Franklin and the way he was treated was freakin INSANE!!!!!! Is that clear enough for you?????
Franklin deserved to he fired and he was treated how he was because he failed. Why are you defending him?HAAA!!!! Firing Franklin and the way he was treated was freakin INSANE!!!!!! Is that clear enough for you?????