3 CCL Teams to the Semi-Finals

[Cat Box]

CCL demonstrating once again it is arguably the best conference in the state.

• 6A - St. Laurence
• 7A - Fenwick
• 8A - Loyola Academy

All three teams advance to the semi-finals.

Also, hat's off to Immaculate Conception advancing in Class 3A. You belong in the CCL. Enough of this Metro Suburban non-sense. Come home, IC. Come home!

 

[4Anorth(not4aFan)]

NIB XII East

Dekalb 6A
Sycamore 5A
Morris 5A

Sterling NIB XII West was beat by Sycamore

Not the best in state but a damn good one between I80 and I88 to the north and south and RT 47 andI39 to the east and west........How's that?I didn't want to offend anyone and I know that it is eon's from the superiority of the non boundried schools,but they try.

 

[JLPlayer73]

ICCP's name is no longer "Immaculate Conception".

The way ICCP abandoned the SCC & refused to join the CL should never be forgotten when ICCP and the Catholic League are mentioned in the same sentence.

There are 6 competitive Catholic League high schools that currently serve the western suburbs. There are also competitive ESCC schools in the area.

If ICCP wishes to compete with Catholic League programs; and be considered in the same light, schedule white/green/blue preseason games and petition up to 6A.

CCL Green...never forget.

73

 

[Cat Box]

ICCP's name is no longer "Immaculate Conception".

The way ICCP abandoned the SCC & refused to join the CL should never be forgotten when ICCP and the Catholic League are mentioned in the same sentence.

There are 6 competitive Catholic League high schools that currently serve the western suburbs. There are also competitive ESCC schools in the area.

If ICCP wishes to compete with Catholic League programs; and be considered in the same light, schedule white/green/blue preseason games and petition up to 6A.

CCL Green...never forget.

73

Liked your post until you suggested a 3A school petition up to class 6A. That's just dumb.

 

[JLPlayer73]

I understand. My point has to do with some of the "chirping" that comes out of the high school formerly known as "Immaculate Conception". Comes a time when you have to realize who you are....or back up your talk with action.

Having a 3A program ranked above a number of outstanding 5A+ programs in local poles is beyond dumb. It's also disingenuous.

73

 

[ClownBaby]

I understand. My point has to do with some of the "chirping" that comes out of the high school formerly known as "Immaculate Conception". Comes a time when you have to realize who you are....or back up your talk with action.

Having a 3A program ranked above a number of outstanding 5A+ programs in local poles is beyond dumb. It's also disingenuous.

73

They do have a 2 TD win over one of the 6A semifinal teams so is having them ranked over 5A teams really "beyond dumb?" In a regular year maybe but not this year.

 

[JLPlayer73]

Gonna have to agree to disagree. Not buying it...

 

[Cat Box]

I understand. My point has to do with some of the "chirping" that comes out of the high school formerly known as "Immaculate Conception". Comes a time when you have to realize who you are....or back up your talk with action.

Having a 3A program ranked above a number of outstanding 5A+ programs in local poles is beyond dumb. It's also disingenuous.

73

Gonna have to agree to disagree. Not buying it...

You are losing credibility. I don't understand what there is that you are "not buying".
Show us the rankings and explain why you disagree with it.

I am sensing that you have a bias against teams 4A and smaller and don't like it when there are 3A teams that are competitive with or better than your 5A/6A teams. Fact is, every now and then, some 3A teams have standout seasons. ICCP this year is unusually good. Same with B-mac last year. Same with Aurora Christian in 2012. It happens occasionally - not all the time. That's why these teams don't elect to move up in class. That would be stupid.

Looking forward to your reply and explanation of "beyond dumb" and "disingenuous".

 

[chirocal44]

ICCP's name is no longer "Immaculate Conception".

The way ICCP abandoned the SCC & refused to join the CL should never be forgotten when ICCP and the Catholic League are mentioned in the same sentence.

There are 6 competitive Catholic League high schools that currently serve the western suburbs. There are also competitive ESCC schools in the area.

If ICCP wishes to compete with Catholic League programs; and be considered in the same light, schedule white/green/blue preseason games and petition up to 6A.

CCL Green...never forget.

73

73,
I understand your frustration in the IC choices that were made, kids and coaches working their butts off, much like that of the man who built that program " Jack Lewis". Many share your thoughts, we will always be IC. That never will change, the program will always make coach Lewis proud.
Similar thoughts different approach.... Good luck
Cal

 

[JLPlayer73]

Cal,

Without question a different approach. I hope you're right. We'll have to wait and find out in the next life.

Good luck as well.
73

 

[mchsalumni]

Having a 3A program ranked above a number of outstanding 5A+ programs in local poles is beyond dumb. It's also disingenuous.

Tell me which local poll 5A team is better.

 

[JLPlayer73]

Box,

The following are my opinions:

I don't happen to believe that ICCP belongs in the Sun Times Top 25 poll, nor in the top 20 of the Tribune's poll. I don't believe that ICCP is competitive with any of those programs. I don't believe ICCP should be ranked above any CL Blue or Green teams. I believe that's the case with the DVC, the ESCC, the WSS/G as well.

The quick definition of disingenuous that I was able to find is as follows:
"not straightforward or candid; giving a false appearance of frankness".

In my opinion, suggesting that ICCP is a better football team than Mount Carmel, Brother Rice, Montini, Benet Academy, Lincoln Way East, Hinsdale Central etc. is disingenuous. Allowing that perception to persist is also; as I understand the above definition, disingenuous.

My suggestion of petitioning up to 6A was perhaps a stretch, so allow me to suggest that a 4A match-up with Phillips would fit the bill. If you want to talk the talk...

Do I think ICCP is a great 3A football team? Without question. Dedicated players, coaches, and parents. Do I believe the actions of the ICCP administration lead to the dissolution of the SCC? Yes. Do I believe that the soon to be members of the CCL were aware of ICCP's actions? No, not until it was too late. Remember, Immaculate Conception High School was a founding member of the SCC. Do I agree that the CCL should welcome ICCP into their organization? No. I'd hope that a veto clause in the CL by laws exists and that every former SCC schools, now members of the CL, executes that veto.

Actions have consequences.

My sons and I attended small Catholic high schools.

Good night,
73

 

[89morrisgrad]

NIB XII East

Dekalb 6A
Sycamore 5A
Morris 5A

Sterling NIB XII West was beat by Sycamore

Not the best in state but a damn good one between I80 and I88 to the north and south and RT 47 andI39 to the east and west........How's that?I didn't want to offend anyone and I know that it is eon's from the superiority of the non boundried schools,but they try.

I agree 4A. I don't think it would be a stretch to say its in the top 6-7 maybe?????

 

[MC63]

OK ... what does ICCP stand for?

 

[Cat Box]

OK ... what does ICCP stand for?

Immaculate Conception College Prep.

 

[Cat Box]

Box,

The following are my opinions:

I don't happen to believe that ICCP belongs in the Sun Times Top 25 poll, nor in the top 20 of the Tribune's poll. I don't believe that ICCP is competitive with any of those programs. I don't believe ICCP should be ranked above any CL Blue or Green teams. I believe that's the case with the DVC, the ESCC, the WSS/G as well.

The quick definition of disingenuous that I was able to find is as follows:
"not straightforward or candid; giving a false appearance of frankness".

In my opinion, suggesting that ICCP is a better football team than Mount Carmel, Brother Rice, Montini, Benet Academy, Lincoln Way East, Hinsdale Central etc. is disingenuous. Allowing that perception to persist is also; as I understand the above definition, disingenuous.

My suggestion of petitioning up to 6A was perhaps a stretch, so allow me to suggest that a 4A match-up with Phillips would fit the bill. If you want to talk the talk...

Do I think ICCP is a great 3A football team? Without question. Dedicated players, coaches, and parents. Do I believe the actions of the ICCP administration lead to the dissolution of the SCC? Yes. Do I believe that the soon to be members of the CCL were aware of ICCP's actions? No, not until it was too late. Remember, Immaculate Conception High School was a founding member of the SCC. Do I agree that the CCL should welcome ICCP into their organization? No. I'd hope that a veto clause in the CL by laws exists and that every former SCC schools, now members of the CL, executes that veto.

Actions have consequences.

My sons and I attended small Catholic high schools.

Good night,
73

"Actions have consequences."
Agreed. But here is reality and why the CCL needs to get IC back in the family...

The current CCL has 4 divisions and only 17 schools.
Blue - BR, MC, LA, SR, PC
Green - Fenwick, DLS, Montini, Marmion, St. Francis
White - Ignatius, Laurence, B-mac, AC
Red - Leo, St. Joe, DePaul

The current structure is a mess as 5 class 3A schools have to play cross-over games vs. 6A, 7A, 8A schools. In a word, the CCL is "Imbalanced" and there is a risk of these small schools leaving the conference.

The key to success is expanding the CCL while consolidating the 4 divisions into 3.
Blue - move Fenwick up to make this a 6 team division.
Green - Move Iggy and Larry up to make this a 6 team division.
Red - consolidate B-Mac and AC with Leo, SJ and DePaul. These schools are all under 400 students.

Next step is to recruit IC, St. Ed's, Aurora Central and Wheaton Academy to the CCL.

 

[catsattackfor3]

"Actions have consequences."
Agreed. But here is reality and why the CCL needs to get IC back in the family...

The current CCL has 4 divisions and only 17 schools.
Blue - BR, MC, LA, SR, PC
Green - Fenwick, DLS, Montini, Marmion, St. Francis
White - Ignatius, Laurence, B-mac, AC
Red - Leo, St. Joe, DePaul

The current structure is a mess as 5 class 3A schools have to play cross-over games vs. 6A, 7A, 8A schools. In a word, the CCL is "Imbalanced" and there is a risk of these small schools leaving the conference.

The key to success is expanding the CCL while consolidating the 4 divisions into 3.
Blue - move Fenwick up to make this a 6 team division.
Green - Move Iggy and Larry up to make this a 6 team division.
Red - consolidate B-Mac and AC with Leo, SJ and DePaul. These schools are all under 400 students.

Next step is to recruit IC, St. Ed's, Aurora Central and Wheaton Academy to the CCL.

Why is so hard to understand that ICCP does not want any part of crossovers with the big schools (same goes for Elgin St. Edward, Guerin and ACC). that was the hang up then and the hang up now. Plus those bottom schools from year to year do not even know if they are coming or going. the ICCP program is a nice small school program and that is what they want to be. If the CCL would adjust there thinking maybe those 4 schools would be on board but the travel of the CCL is also a on starter, even Loyola was rumored to have made inquiries with the Central Suburban just a year ago about joining when Waukegan left the conference as they would be a geographic fit (the Central Suburban almost fell over in laughter while telling them no thanks) .talk about CCL loyalty- not much.

 

[catsattackfor3]

"Actions have consequences."
Agreed. But here is reality and why the CCL needs to get IC back in the family...

The current CCL has 4 divisions and only 17 schools.
Blue - BR, MC, LA, SR, PC
Green - Fenwick, DLS, Montini, Marmion, St. Francis
White - Ignatius, Laurence, B-mac, AC
Red - Leo, St. Joe, DePaul

The current structure is a mess as 5 class 3A schools have to play cross-over games vs. 6A, 7A, 8A schools. In a word, the CCL is "Imbalanced" and there is a risk of these small schools leaving the conference.

The key to success is expanding the CCL while consolidating the 4 divisions into 3.
Blue - move Fenwick up to make this a 6 team division.
Green - Move Iggy and Larry up to make this a 6 team division.
Red - consolidate B-Mac and AC with Leo, SJ and DePaul. These schools are all under 400 students.

Next step is to recruit IC, St. Ed's, Aurora Central and Wheaton Academy to the CCL.

this has been talked about ad naseum: Fenwick has threatened to leave the CCL if ever forced to join the Blue (so has De La Salle)

 

[Cat Box]

Why is so hard to understand that ICCP does not want any part of crossovers with the big schools (same goes for Elgin St. Edward, Guerin and ACC). that was the hang up then and the hang up now. Plus those bottom schools from year to year do not even know if they are coming or going. the ICCP program is a nice small school program and that is what they want to be. If the CCL would adjust there thinking maybe those 4 schools would be on board but the travel of the CCL is also a on starter, even Loyola was rumored to have made inquiries with the Central Suburban just a year ago about joining when Waukegan left the conference as they would be a geographic fit (the Central Suburban almost fell over in laughter while telling them no thanks) .talk about CCL loyalty- not much.

Catsattack - I agree with everything you are saying. What do you believe IC and the rest would think if there were full participation to consolidate the Red and White divisions and add four former SCC teams? It would look like this:

• Wheaton Academy (660)
• St. Edwards (635)
• Aurora Central (627)
• Bishop Mac (520)
• DePaul Prep (509)
• Immaculate Conception (495)
• Aurora Christian (420)
• St. Josephs (382)
• Leo (380)

This would be a 9-team division with one out-of-conference game and NO crossovers. These are all 3A and 4A schools.

 

[Anon1747077750]

"Catholic " prep not a college prep school.

 

[catsattackfor3]

Catsattack - I agree with everything you are saying. What do you believe IC and the rest would think if there were full participation to consolidate the Red and White divisions and add four former SCC teams? It would look like this:

• Wheaton Academy (660)
• St. Edwards (635)
• Aurora Central (627)
• Bishop Mac (520)
• DePaul Prep (509)
• Immaculate Conception (495)
• Aurora Christian (420)
• St. Josephs (382)
• Leo (380)

This would be a 9-team division with one out-of-conference game and NO crossovers. These are all 3A and 4A schools.

That would be more in line with the level playing field these schools wish for. As always the problem for the CCL has been the gap between the 5 Blue Division schools and the rest of the pack. No one wants to play them more than once and the small schools do not want to play them at all.

 

[Doctor_D]

IC should not want to be in the CCL, they seem to be doing just fine.

But....If the IHSA has any druthers, they will go back to football enrollment and stop the farce of super teams playing down for the playoffs and completely wiping out the small school field. The Jimmy's and Joe's beat the x's and o's.... Like Texas playing UTEP.

 

[Cat Box]

The other piece of this is to model the CCL Blue and Green after the old SCC with an upper and lower division. Worst record in the upper division moves down. Best record in the lower division moves up. Looks like this...

CCL Blue

• Loyola (3486)
• Brother Rice (2636)
• Mount Carmel (2161)
• St. Rita (1993)
• Fenwick (1943)
• Providence (1709)

CCL Green

• Marmion (1742)
• St. Laurence (1597)
• DeLaSalle (1532)
• St. Ignatius (1387)
• St. Francis (1290)
• Montini (1085)

This would allow each team 5 division games and as many cross-over games as the CCL sees fit. I'd say 2 cross-overs and 2 out-of-conference games. Then have the consolidated and expanded lower division with NO cross-overs as such:

• Wheaton Academy (660)

• St. Edwards (635)

• Aurora Central (627)

• Bishop Mac (520)

• DePaul Prep (509)

• Immaculate Conception (495)

• Aurora Christian (420)

• St. Josephs (382)

• Leo (380)

This is 3 divisions and 21 private schools with wise enrollment separation and no lopsided cross-overs.

 

[tomloner reborn]

The other piece of this is to model the CCL Blue and Green after the old SCC with an upper and lower division. Worst record in the upper division moves down. Best record in the lower division moves up. Looks like this...

CCL Blue

• Loyola (3486)
• Brother Rice (2636)
• Mount Carmel (2161)
• St. Rita (1993)
• Fenwick (1943)
• Providence (1709)

CCL Green

• Marmion (1742)
• St. Laurence (1597)
• DeLaSalle (1532)
• St. Ignatius (1387)
• St. Francis (1290)
• Montini (1085)

This would allow each team 5 division games and as many cross-over games as the CCL sees fit. I'd say 2 cross-overs and 2 out-of-conference games. Then have the consolidated and expanded lower division with NO cross-overs as such:

• Wheaton Academy (660)

• St. Edwards (635)

• Aurora Central (627)

• Bishop Mac (520)

• DePaul Prep (509)

• Immaculate Conception (495)

• Aurora Christian (420)

• St. Josephs (382)

• Leo (380)

This is 3 divisions and 21 private schools with wise enrollment separation and no lopsided cross-overs.

Don't forget Fenwick left the blue with the threat if the did not go down a division they would leave the CCL for the ESCC. So it's a no go.

 

[Southland Fan 2016]

CCL demonstrating once again it is arguably the best conference in the state.

• 6A - St. Laurence
• 7A - Fenwick
• 8A - Loyola Academy

All three teams advance to the semi-finals.

Also, hat's off to Immaculate Conception advancing in Class 3A. You belong in the CCL. Enough of this Metro Suburban non-sense. Come home, IC. Come home!

No argument CCL is best in state but come on, the Blue is the best in state, not the green red white or whatever there is. I think it s a stretch saying there are three semi finalist when there all in different division and don't even all play each other. I wish all of these teams the best of luck however. I love seeing STL succeeding to make up for dissapointments of other southland schools such as RICE RITA AND MARIST

 

[UlbKA91]

Don't forget Fenwick left the blue with the threat if the did not go down a division they would leave the CCL for the ESCC. So it's a no go.

Give them Francis and Iggy as their XO games the first 2 years.

 

[JFelice]

Give them Francis and Iggy as their XO games the first 2 years.

Fenwick will not under any circumstances agree to join the Blue, nor should they. Sorry that doesn't fit the agenda of the diehard HS football fan but Fenwick bases their decisions of what's best for its student athletes.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Fenwick will not under any circumstances agree to join the Blue, nor should they. Sorry that doesn't fit the agenda of the diehard HS football fan but Fenwick bases their decisions of what's best for its student athletes.

What a crock of crap.

 

[JFelice]

What a crock of crap.

Lol and why is that?

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Lol and why is that?

It is ludicrous that a school that has an excellent chance to contest for the 7A title, and that beat a CCL Blue team this year, would never agree to join the CCL Blue.

I think if the CCL really wanted Fenwick in the Blue after this season, and if Fenwick continued to refuse, then the CCL should call Fenwick's bluff and say you are either in the Blue or you can do what's best for your student athletes in another conference. Good luck finding one.

 

[LHSTigers94]

It is ludicrous that a school that has an excellent chance to contest for the 7A title, and that beat a CCL Blue team this year, would never agree to join the CCL Blue.

I think if the CCL really wanted Fenwick in the Blue after this season, and if Fenwick continued to refuse, then the CCL should call Fenwick's bluff and say you are either in the Blue or you can do what's best for your student athletes in another conference. Good luck finding one.

Couldn't the point also be made that if MC made the playoffs or SR went in higher that they too could have similar results as Fenwick in the playoffs? Wouldn't both teams be an example of why you shouldn't join the blue?

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Couldn't the point also be made that if MC made the playoffs or SR went in higher that they too could have similar results as Fenwick in the playoffs? Wouldn't both teams be an example of why you shouldn't join the blue?

MC lost all four CCL Blue games this year, but that didn't keep them out of the playoffs. You can lose all four CCL Blue games and still make the playoffs if you beat everyone else. They didn't. An argument can be made that losing to CCL Green Montini (a team that Fenwick beat) kept them out of the playoffs. Rita went 2-2 in the Blue this year. They squeaked into the playoffs at 5-4 with a 2 pt win over CCL Green Marmion (a team that Fenwick running clocked) in week 9 and despite a loss to CCL White Laurence.

You could take Fenwick's argument and apply it to a bunch of different schools.

What if 0-9 Conant demanded to play in the MSL East and not the tougher MSL West? What if 1-8 Niles North and 1-8 Glenbrook South demanded the easier CSL North and not the CSL South?

What if the West Suburban wanted to move Leyden, a school that ran the table in the West Sub Gold (including a win over 7A semifinalist Willowbrook) up to the more competitive Silver next year but Leyden stomped their feet and said they wouldn't go under any circumstances because it wasn't in the best interest of their students.

It's a really lame argument because it acknowledges weakness and demands that weakness be accommodated.

Problem is, Fenwick ain't weak.

 

[JFelice]

It is ludicrous that a school that has an excellent chance to contest for the 7A title, and that beat a CCL Blue team this year, would never agree to join the CCL Blue.

I think if the CCL really wanted Fenwick in the Blue after this season, and if Fenwick continued to refuse, then the CCL should call Fenwick's bluff and say you are either in the Blue or you can do what's best for your student athletes in another conference. Good luck finding one.

We'd be in the ESCC in a second, and ESCC wouldn't struggle to find a second team. Fenwick has been in the CCL since it began playing football and has never waivered in its dedication to CCL, yet people like you feel that we owe you something. That's where the crock of crap really is. Fenwick's main responsibility is to its student athletes. This season has been fantastic and everyone is very excited but it's the outlier. Most years we will struggle to compete with the worst teams in the Blue. It has nothing to do with size of schools either. There is a reason that most schools don't want anything to do with playing in the Blue, it's suicide. We have academic restrictions that none of the Blue schools (minus Loyola) have to worry about. Not gonna get into a recruiting conversation but Fenwick does not recruit to the level of those schools and frankly we don't want to. That takes the playing field and slants it so heavily toward the Blue schools it's not worth trying to even bring up Fenwick.

If everyone made the playoffs it'd be one thing, it's not all about winning and losing, if it was Fenwick would sell out to recruit as well. To some extent though you want to give the kids that spend thousands of hours training a chance. If in the Blue Fenwick wouldn't be giving their kids much of one. Fenwick owes their kids that chance and owes you nothing .

 

[JFelice]

MC lost all four CCL Blue games this year, but that didn't keep them out of the playoffs. You can lose all four CCL Blue games and still make the playoffs if you beat everyone else. They didn't. An argument can be made that losing to CCL Green Montini kept them out of the playoffs. Rita went 2-2 in the Blue this year. They squeaked into the playoffs at 5-4 with a 2 pt win over CCL Green Marmion in week 9 and despite a loss to CCL White Laurence.

Cute spin but actually their participation in the Blue is the main reason they're not in the playoffs. For a school like MC that's fine, it's an extreme outlier but if Fenwick were in the Blue they too would have an extreme outlier except in the opposite direction. If the SEC has an opening in the future should Harvard/Yale be forced into it?

 

[LHSTigers94]

MC lost all four CCL Blue games this year, but that didn't keep them out of the playoffs. You can lose all four CCL Blue games and still make the playoffs if you beat everyone else. They didn't. An argument can be made that losing to CCL Green Montini kept them out of the playoffs. Rita went 2-2 in the Blue this year. They squeaked into the playoffs at 5-4 with a 2 pt win over CCL Green Marmion in week 9 and despite a loss to CCL White Laurence.

You could take Fenwick's argument and apply it to a bunch of different schools. What if 0-9 Conant demanded to play in the MSL East and not the tougher MSL West? What if 1-8 Niles North and 1-8 Glenbrook South demanded the easier CSL North and not the CSL South?

What if the West Suburban wanted to move Leyden, a school that ran the table in the West Sub Gold (including a win over 7A semifinalist Willowbrook) up to the Silver next year but Leyden stomped their feet and said they wouldn't go under any circumstances because it wasn't in the best interest of their students.

It's a really lame argument because it acknowledges weakness and demands that weakness be accommodated.

Problem is, Fenwick ain't weak.

Willowbrook made it the Qtrs not semis. Based on the success of JW making the playoff after the leaving the SWS, you will see a lot more movement that you speak of in this post. Call it what you want but I don't see the Blue teams looking to get rid of crossovers in place of DVC teams etc.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

We'd be in the ESCC in a second, and ESCC wouldn't struggle to find a second team. Fenwick has been in the CCL since it began playing football and has never waivered in its dedication to CCL

What do you call the under no circumstances will we play in the CCL Blue crap? What do you call we would be in the ESCC in a second if we don't get what we want tantrum? Your words betray you. If that is what you call unwavering dedication, thanks but no thanks. How strange it will look in the Fenwick pool to see ESCC swimming championship banners hanging. Oh, wait...

Most years we will struggle to compete with the worst teams in the Blue.

Untrue.

This year, Fenwick likely would have qualified for the playoffs playing a Blue schedule. In the past four seasons, Fenwick has posted a 3-4 record against Blue teams in the regular season, with three of those four losses coming to Loyola. How the Friars were scheduled to play LA 3 times in 4 yrs is a mystery. Regardless, Fenwick has proven in recent years that they can be competitive against CCL Blue schools.

Your team may soon be playing in the 7A title game.

Man up.

 

[JFelice]

Bla bla bla, yes we've never waivered. We aren't one of the many teams to leave and come back, or just outright leave. We've been competing in football since 1932 in the CCL. I'd say that's a pretty big deal. Now you want to try to strong arm us into a conference we don't want to be a part of? A conference no one else wants to be a part of? That's what our 84 years of dedication mean? For you to bully us into a division we don't want to take part in? Have to ever heard Fenwick try to claim we are equals of the Blue schools? We know what we are and we're content with that stigma, occasionally we'll surprise some people and have a season like this one but try and name the last semifinal team we've had... I'll be waiting a long time. We're more than happy with our current arrangement in the CCL but we aren't gonna volunteer ourselves for the slaughter and it's not our problem because you can't find anyone else to do so either. If you think strong arming us is the way to go then yes you can take the last 84 years and shove it, we would happily move to the ESCC in that case. If you don't understand that than you're either ignorant or a huge homer, not even sure there's a difference.

 

[SKing9898]

As a recent player for Fenwick I believe I can capture the opinion of the majority of the players actually at the school. The team itself takes great pride in its tradition as part of the Catholic League. In the perfect scenario Fenwick would like to stay where they are at. Nudo has been been building the program up well over the last few years and we are seeing great returns this season. We could've competed with anyone in the Blue this year and despite the final Loyola score it was closer than what the scoreboard showed but without a doubt Loyola had the edge. However, like mentioned this was a unique season for Fenwick in terms of there success. Worst case, I believe many of the student athletes would rather take their lumps for a few years in the Blue than go to the ESCC. I say give Nudo a few more years to gain consistent teams in terms of talent and they will be able to hang with the Blue. The athletes do not feel the same about moving to the ESCC as the administration. The athletes are more concerned with their tradition and pride and the school is more concerned with how they look, which is the nature of the business of private schools. It's also hypocritical to try to put all of the blame on Fenwick because the only reason the Blue wants a Fenwick or DeLaSalle is because they believe they are rollover wins which isn't looking to be the case for all of them this year.

 

[Jiggs]

It seems that some Fenwick fans believe that the ESSC would welcome Fenwick with open arms if they left the CCL. Fenwick might be surprised at the reception they receive, or lack thereof, from the ESSC.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

We aren't one of the many teams to leave and come back

I'm aware of two. Do you know of more, or is two your definition of "many?"

We've been competing in football since 1932 in the CCL. I'd say that's a pretty big deal

Do you think that earns you some kind of hall pass while the program that used to compete with the big boys nurses itself back to health? Well, guess what? You're healthy now. Time to stop having mom call in sick for you.

Now you want to try to strong arm us into a conference we don't want to be a part of?

Newsflash: you are in a conference. That conference wants you to play certain teams WITHIN that conference. Up until recently, you didn't have a choice who you played. You just played who they told you to play. Somewhere along the way, Fenwick got its knickers in a twist and the conference gave them the hall pass. Time to turn the pass in, go back to class, and be an obedient student.

Occasionally we'll surprise some people and have a season like this one but try and name the last semifinal team we've had.

Since Nudo's arrival, Fenwick has qualified for the playoffs in 4 of 5 years and has gone 7-3 in the 7A playoffs. Do you have a clue how absolutely bogus your argument is?

We're more than happy with our current arrangement in the CCL but we aren't gonna volunteer ourselves for the slaughter and it's not our problem because you can't find anyone else to do so either. If you think strong arming us is the way to go then yes you can take the last 84 years and shove it, we would happily move to the ESCC in that case. If you don't understand that than you're either ignorant or a huge homer, not even sure there's a difference.

I couldn't care less about the CCL. I would be happy to blow it and the ESCC up, add those former SCC schools that catbox keeps talking about, and start over. But, it's the best we have at the moment.

Of course you are more than happy. You are the biggest school in your division. You are playing St. Francis and DLS every year. You are having your cake and eating it too.

Time to man up.