3rd backup QB leaving Bama

[*Bleedingblue*]

Alabama reserve quarterback David Cornwell announced Wednesday that he is transferring out of the program.

Cornwell, the No. 4-ranked pocket passer in the 2014 ESPN 300, is the third quarterback to transfer since freshman Jalen Hurts established himself as the Crimson Tide's starter this season. Blake Barnett left the program in late September and recently announced his transfer to Arizona State; backup Cooper Bateman is planning to transfer also, though a source told ESPN he's expected to stay with the team through the College Football Playoff

Cornwell announced his intentions on Twitter.

A 6-foot-5, 228-pound sophomore, Cornwell did not attempt a pass in his time in Tuscaloosa. He appeared in two games in 2016, did not play in 2015 and redshirted his first season on campus. As a graduate transfer with two years of eligibility left, Cornwell will be eligible to play immediately at another school.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/scoreboard/_/date/20161206

 

[mtn cat1]

Has Jones driven his ducks to bad water???

 

[football follies]

No. All of the guys that would have been backups next year will be gone. I'm sure he is taking this as a positive.

Nice link.

 

[KyCatFan1]

No. All of the guys that would have been backups next year will be gone. I'm sure he is taking this as a positive.

Nice link.

Until they sign a couple more 4 or 5 star quarterbacks and then he might be on the chopping block. You know Hurts will be the starter at least 2 more years. Jones can redshirt and then wait his turn and by his 3rd year he might have a chance to start. Plus who knows who the OC will be when he gets there. Does he want to be a game manager while there?

 

[Mr Schwump]

Until they sign a couple more 4 or 5 star quarterbacks and then he might be on the chopping block. You know Hurts will be the starter at least 2 more years. Jones can redshirt and then wait his turn and by his 3rd year he might have a chance to start. Plus who knows who the OC will be when he gets there. Does he want to be a game manager while there?

Forget the OC, how long will the HC be there? Saban's already 65.

 

[RammerJammer91_rivals23256]

Until they sign a couple more 4 or 5 star quarterbacks and then he might be on the chopping block. You know Hurts will be the starter at least 2 more years. Jones can redshirt and then wait his turn and by his 3rd year he might have a chance to start. Plus who knows who the OC will be when he gets there. Does he want to be a game manager while there?

Hurts will be the only returning scholarship QB next year, and you're not doing your due diligence as a HC if you don't have at least 3 scholarship QB's on the roster every year. I remember in 2010 when Houston lost 2 scholarship QB's for the season in the same game. Bateman and Cornwell both have their degrees, and I wish them well as they've been outstanding young men to have in our program. Cornwell was also the main recruiter in our 2014 class and his friendship with Cam Robinson was one of the main reasons why we landed our LT. Being recruited over happens everywhere and it's very natural, especially at the QB position. Heck, it looks like Drew Barker has been recruited over by Johnson. Kirby is doing the same thing at UGA. He was able to keep Jacob Eason in 2016, has a high 4* QB (Jake Fromm) in 2017, and UGA is the favorite for the #1 QB in 2018. Odds are that Fromm will be on the chopping block and transfer in the next 2 years.

 

[Beatle Bum]

Headed to Houston?

 

[deuces r wild_rivals39030]

Tua Tagovailoa is already the 2nd team QB entering next year and it wouldn't surprise me if at some point in time surplants Hurts. Jones on the other hand is at best 3rd team for at least the next 3 years. I expect Cornwall to transfer back close to this Oklahoma home.

 

[tntuk]

Until they sign a couple more 4 or 5 star quarterbacks and then he might be on the chopping block. You know Hurts will be the starter at least 2 more years. Jones can redshirt and then wait his turn and by his 3rd year he might have a chance to start. Plus who knows who the OC will be when he gets there. Does he want to be a game manager while there?

Don't forget Bama has a commit along with Mac, who is likely the top QB in this class. Tua Tagovailoa. I don't see Mac ever playing ahead of Tua, but that's just a prediction. I could be wrong.

This also won't take into account the 4/5 star QBs that will come in behind Mac.

 

[ukalumni00]

Next season will be Jones only real shot at minimal competition. Hurts will be the solid starter, Tagovailoa is a clone of Hurts if not better. Jones will have the 3rd spot secured and would have to hope (I know he would not wish they get hurt) the other two get injured to have any shot at the field. After his RS year Saban will bring in 2 more 5-4 star guys that he has to compete with the following year.

These high profile recruits have to really look at the best fits for them and not the highest profile programs. KY is showing promise and is a good fit for many of these high caliber players like other solid programs in college football right now.

 

[bluedog79]

Alabama doesnt know how to develop real NFL caliber quarterbacks. That isn't Sabans strong suit. His qb's are mostly shite. Jones has made a mistake and any other QB commited there. Roll over the Tide, roll over! Alabama is our enemy.

 

[truebluewildcat_rivals34254]

These days as a QB, if you're not playing by your sophomore year and you got top guns coming in behind you, you're probably not going to play. I don't blame these guys for transferring, they have some talent and want to play.

I've never understood why top QBs congregate. I get that they all think they're the best and are competitors, but 1 plays and usually locks the spot down for 3-4 years.

If you're a recruit and see that a program has a stud freshmen, why even bother? Barring disaster you're holding the clipboard, and even if disaster did strike there's 2-3 other guys who are just as good if not better on roster with you, and 2-3 more studs coming in.

"Transferring is quitting on the team...weh..."...Well sticking around to doodle on a clipboard, fetch water, and dancing to signal plays is quitting on yourself if you have legit talent beyond a hometown walk on that just wanted to wear the colors.

A legit 4* and definitely 5* could commit to UK this off season or next and get 4 years of SEC run. Why go wait around to transfer or maybe never play significantly at USC, Bama, Ohio St, Michigan, UCLA, FSU, Clemson, Stanford, Oklahoma etc...

 

[willievic]

Forget the OC, how long will the HC be there? Saban's already 65.

**** guys, that's NOT OLD. AGE IS A STATE OF MIND, NOT A LENGTH OF SERVICE.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!

 

[downw/ball-lineD]

I've heard Cornwell may visit ky

 

[fuzz77]

Don't forget Bama has a commit along with Mac, who is likely the top QB in this class. Tua Tagovailoa. I don't see Mac ever playing ahead of Tua, but that's just a prediction. I could be wrong.

This also won't take into account the 4/5 star QBs that will come in behind Mac.

Bet you never saw Stephen Johnson playing in front of Barker either... there is probably no position where the rankings get it more wrong than QB. Lamar Jackson was the #17 QB in his class, Stephen Johnson wasn't ranked.

I've made this statement several times when this subject comes up. Kids that go to Bama aren't worried about who else is there or who else is recruited. They have the confidence that they can be better. If you're worried about who else is there then you obviously doubt your abilities. If you're good enough then you're going to play.
I've said that I believe that the reason that historically so many highly rated kids have failed or never lived up to expectations at UK is because they came to UK because they saw it as the easy road to playing time. They were more concerned with just playing than having to compete and push themselves for that playing time thus they never push themselves to reach their potential.

 

[ORCAT]

**** guys, that's NOT OLD. AGE IS A STATE OF MIND, NOT A LENGTH OF SERVICE.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!

Yep, and Saban seems like a young 65 to me, don't see him retiring real soon so I would think recruits would believe he will be there for the duration of their playing days at Bama.

 

[tntuk]

Bet you never saw Stephen Johnson playing in front of Barker either... there is probably no position where the rankings get it more wrong than QB. Lamar Jackson was the #17 QB in his class, Stephen Johnson wasn't ranked.

I've made this statement several times when this subject comes up. Kids that go to Bama aren't worried about who else is there or who else is recruited. They have the confidence that they can be better. If you're worried about who else is there then you obviously doubt your abilities. If you're good enough then you're going to play.
I've said that I believe that the reason that historically so many highly rated kids have failed or never lived up to expectations at UK is because they came to UK because they saw it as the easy road to playing time. They were more concerned with just playing than having to compete and push themselves for that playing time thus they never push themselves to reach their potential.

Tua was at the same QB competition as Mac this past summer. They were side by side. Tua was better. Tua was heads and tails better than every QB there. It's why he's the #1 QB in the class.

Lastly, Bama has had 2 QBs announce they were transferring so don't tell me they aren't afraid of competition. The fact is the writing is on the wall for the guys transferring - they aren't going to play and they know it.

For the record, I'm ecstatic with how SJ has performed. But he is playing "in front of" Drew Barker due to Barker's injury.

 

[*Bleedingblue*]

Hurts will be the only returning scholarship QB next year, and you're not doing your due diligence as a HC if you don't have at least 3 scholarship QB's on the roster every year. I remember in 2010 when Houston lost 2 scholarship QB's for the season in the same game. Bateman and Cornwell both have their degrees, and I wish them well as they've been outstanding young men to have in our program. Cornwell was also the main recruiter in our 2014 class and his friendship with Cam Robinson was one of the main reasons why we landed our LT. Being recruited over happens everywhere and it's very natural, especially at the QB position. Heck, it looks like Drew Barker has been recruited over by Johnson. Kirby is doing the same thing at UGA. He was able to keep Jacob Eason in 2016, has a high 4* QB (Jake Fromm) in 2017, and UGA is the favorite for the #1 QB in 2018. Odds are that Fromm will be on the chopping block and transfer in the next 2 years.

Is saban going to use this extra scholly on another qb for the class??

Barker never was recruited over. We were very thin at QB when Towles transferred to Boston College and Phillips transferred to Montanna St i think it was. Was 3rd string holding a clip board at a small div II school if that tells you his talent level.
Johnson was a fairly unknown juco qb who we luckily picked up. Think that give us 3 qb's. 1 remaining Barker and 2 incoming a juco and a hs senior. Barker got hurt and johnson inserted out of necessity. Nobody knows the extent of his injuries since it is back related and had surgery. Any back injury is a serious injury.

 

[Goingfor13]

Tua Tagovailoa is already the 2nd team QB entering next year and it wouldn't surprise me if at some point in time surplants Hurts. Jones on the other hand is at best 3rd team for at least the next 3 years. I expect Cornwall to transfer back close to this Oklahoma home.

A guy who is still in high school is already 2nd team? I think that's a bit presumptuous. A year ago at this time people thought Hurts would redshirt and wait his turn behind Blake Barnett. Don't forget that Barnett had a year on him and was significantly higher rated coming out of HS. Regardless of star ratings, I assure you all the signees will have equal opportunity to prove themselves. Saban will play the best, end of story.

 

[gamalielkid]

Alabama reserve quarterback David Cornwell announced Wednesday that he is transferring out of the program.

Cornwell, the No. 4-ranked pocket passer in the 2014 ESPN 300, is the third quarterback to transfer since freshman Jalen Hurts established himself as the Crimson Tide's starter this season. Blake Barnett left the program in late September and recently announced his transfer to Arizona State; backup Cooper Bateman is planning to transfer also, though a source told ESPN he's expected to stay with the team through the College Football Playoff

Cornwell announced his intentions on Twitter.

A 6-foot-5, 228-pound sophomore, Cornwell did not attempt a pass in his time in Tuscaloosa. He appeared in two games in 2016, did not play in 2015 and redshirted his first season on campus. As a graduate transfer with two years of eligibility left, Cornwell will be eligible to play immediately at another school.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/scoreboard/_/date/20161206

These guys are clearing out because or Mac Jones commitment to Bama.

Go Big Blue!

 

[Goingfor13]

Alabama doesnt know how to develop real NFL caliber quarterbacks. That isn't Sabans strong suit. His qb's are mostly shite. Jones has made a mistake and any other QB commited there. Roll over the Tide, roll over! Alabama is our enemy.

While I disagree that the QBs are ****, your point isn't all wrong. Saban doesn't build the team around the QB. He asks that's position to manage the game, take care of the ball, and get it to the playmakers. Get the offense out of a bad play and into a good one. In that light, I'd say Mac Jones success at Alabama will be determined by how well he does those things over how fast he is or how far he can throw the ball. Those other things equal, the talent obviously prevails. Saban builds his offense around the offensive line.

 

[bluedog79]

While I disagree that the QBs are ****, your point isn't all wrong. Saban doesn't build the team around the QB. He asks that's position to manage the game, take care of the ball, and get it to the playmakers. Get the offense out of a bad play and into a good one. In that light, I'd say Mac Jones success at Alabama will be determined by how well he does those things over how fast he is or how far he can throw the ball. Those other things equal, the talent obviously prevails. Saban builds his offense around the offensive line.

yep like the 5 stat offensive lineman your stealing from our state. You won't get those players from us much longer. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Here's hoping when Kiffin leaves your next OC ain't worth a fyuk. I pray for it. Good ol' Bama will be in the late 90's before long. Can't wait. Y'all are like the Dallas Cowboys....best enjoyed when you ain't worth a crap.

 

[suchy500]

I remember similar things being said about Damien Harris not so very long ago.

 

[Goingfor13]

yep like the 5 stat offensive lineman your stealing from our state. You won't get those players from us much longer. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Here's hoping when Kiffin leaves your next OC ain't worth a fyuk. I pray for it. Good ol' Bama will be in the late 90's before long. Can't wait. Y'all are like the Dallas Cowboys....best enjoyed when you ain't worth a crap.

Well, Kiffin could leave and we will be ok. Just like before him when we had Nussmeier (who has been garbage at Michigan and Florida since then) and before him when we had McElwain. We will have a good offense no matter what. Don't feel bad, though. We take them from Mississippi and Tennesssee and Louisiana and Florida as well.

 

[gamalielkid]

Well, Kiffin could leave and we will be ok. Just like before him when we had Nussmeier (who has been garbage at Michigan and Florida since then) and before him when we had McElwain. We will have a good offense no matter what. Don't feel bad, though. We take them from Mississippi and Tennesssee and Louisiana and Florida as well.

You guys will be fine - as long as Saban is around. But just like the Bear - it will end someday. Your program will always be great - just like UK basketball, but you are seeing something that may NEVER happen again. I enjoyed being in Tuscaloosa this year - Alabama has wonderful fans!

Go Big Blue!

 

[irishcat1965]

yep like the 5 stat offensive lineman your stealing from our state. You won't get those players from us much longer. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Here's hoping when Kiffin leaves your next OC ain't worth a fyuk. I pray for it. Good ol' Bama will be in the late 90's before long. Can't wait. Y'all are like the Dallas Cowboys....best enjoyed when you ain't worth a crap.

Did Saban bed a family member of yours?

 

[irishcat1965]

Well, Kiffin could leave and we will be ok. Just like before him when we had Nussmeier (who has been garbage at Michigan and Florida since then) and before him when we had McElwain. We will have a good offense no matter what. Don't feel bad, though. We take them from Mississippi and Tennesssee and Louisiana and Florida as well.

Ignore that guy. Good luck in the playoffs and bring the title back to T town.

 

[Koaltil]

Is saban going to use this extra scholly on another qb for the class??

Barker never was recruited over. We were very thin at QB when Towles transferred to Boston College and Phillips transferred to Montanna St i think it was. Was 3rd string holding a clip board at a small div II school if that tells you his talent level.
Johnson was a fairly unknown juco qb who we luckily picked up. Think that give us 3 qb's. 1 remaining Barker and 2 incoming a juco and a hs senior. Barker got hurt and johnson inserted out of necessity. Nobody knows the extent of his injuries since it is back related and had surgery. Any back injury is a serious injury.

Love what Johnson did for us. But he is not very good. Would have loved to see drew have the chance to progress as Johnson did this year. Johnson struggles to read defenses. If all teams play man against like u of l Johnson is great. Jmo

 

[Anon1660081258]

So, for the record, even Nick can see a QB exodus crop up once in awhile? It doesn't just happen to HCs and staffs that are out of their depth? Huh...

 

[jauk11]

I remember similar things being said about Damien Harris not so very long ago.

Yeah, whose the hot RB at Bama right now?

I would rather be on the field playing the GAME (at least it was a game when I played) than sitting on the sidelines watching someone else winning games.

 

[gamecockcat]

Love what Johnson did for us. But he is not very good. Would have loved to see drew have the chance to progress as Johnson did this year. Johnson struggles to read defenses. If all teams play man against like u of l Johnson is great. Jmo

While I agree that Johnson certainly had times when he struggled and is not the most consistent medium-range passer, but to say he's 'not very good' is a complete overstatement. He has a winner's attitude, throws a great deep ball, is tough as nails, doesn't get rattled, seems to be improving on the shorter routes, can pick up yards and avoid sacks with his legs and the players seem to like him in the huddle. I would say that's quite a long way from 'not very good'.

 

[NCukcat62]

yep like the 5 stat offensive lineman your stealing from our state. You won't get those players from us much longer. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Here's hoping when Kiffin leaves your next OC ain't worth a fyuk. I pray for it. Good ol' Bama will be in the late 90's before long. Can't wait. Y'all are like the Dallas Cowboys....best enjoyed when you ain't worth a crap.

What's your deal? Alabama is amazing. I love bama football, best football dynasty ever.

 

[KyCatFan1]

Running back is the one area you can't have enough of and you likely will get playing time if you are in the 3 deep depth chart. So it isn't surprising to see Harris playing and doing well. Now QB is a different story. A good QB playing behind a good line will likely not receive major injuries very often and will cause other QB's to sit on the sidelines. That is why I don't understand so many highly rated QB's wanting to go to Bama and not play for at least a couple years and then transfer out. The writing is pretty much on the wall once a guy is named starter. You better hope he is a junior or senior and you are a freshman.

It would be like our basketball team taking a player like Fox and forcing him to stay for 3 years and thinking an elite point guard would want to sit the bench and wait 2 or 3 years to play significant minutes. The good thing is Coach Cal has adapted his offense to be able to play with 2 or 3 point guards at once solving the problem. Unless Bama can talk their QB's into changing positions, I don't see the fascination of going there to sit. That is unless you don't care about playing time and just want to win a championship.

It is highly unlikely anyone will take the QB position away from Hurts. Especially if he goes undefeated and wins a title. So I don't see anyone taking his spot for at least 2 more years and why i do think 1 of the 2 committed players will end up transferring once they realize they are holding a clipboard for at least 2 years .

 

[merrimanm]

Yeah. Saban really is screwing up with his handling of the QB spot.

 

[jauk11]

Running back is the one area you can't have enough of and you likely will get playing time if you are in the 3 deep depth chart. So it isn't surprising to see Harris playing and doing well. Now QB is a different story. A good QB playing behind a good line will likely not receive major injuries very often and will cause other QB's to sit on the sidelines. That is why I don't understand so many highly rated QB's wanting to go to Bama and not play for at least a couple years and then transfer out. The writing is pretty much on the wall once a guy is named starter. You better hope he is a junior or senior and you are a freshman.

It would be like our basketball team taking a player like Fox and forcing him to stay for 3 years and thinking an elite point guard would want to sit the bench and wait 2 or 3 years to play significant minutes. The good thing is Coach Cal has adapted his offense to be able to play with 2 or 3 point guards at once solving the problem. Unless Bama can talk their QB's into changing positions, I don't see the fascination of going there to sit. That is unless you don't care about playing time and just want to win a championship.

It is highly unlikely anyone will take the QB position away from Hurts. Especially if he goes undefeated and wins a title. So I don't see anyone taking his spot for at least 2 more years and why i do think 1 of the 2 committed players will end up transferring once they realize they are holding a clipboard for at least 2 years .

"That is unless you don't care about playing time and just want to win a championship"

.I don't understand that at all but it does seem to appeal to a lot of the younger folk.

 

[3kidsandme]

Love what Johnson did for us. But he is not very good. Would have loved to see drew have the chance to progress as Johnson did this year. Johnson struggles to read defenses. If all teams play man against like u of l Johnson is great. Jmo

1800 yards in 8 starts with 12 td passes is pretty darn good.plus he ran for about 450 yards before sacks. Only game he was awful in was Vandy and he was hurt. He will throw for 3000 yards next year if healthy. Not very good is just not true.

 

[jauk11]

1800 yards in 8 starts with 12 td passes is pretty darn good.plus he ran for about 450 yards before sacks. Only game he was awful in was Vandy and he was hurt. He will throw for 3000 yards next year if healthy. Not very good is just not true.

The thing I liked was I think he showed steady improvement, the "culture shock" from JC to SEC was a giant step up for him, not unusual for it to take time. I don't think anyone should ever expect a lot more from our QB than the last game he played, he outplayed the likely Heisman winner IMO.

 

[mtn cat1]

It would appear as tho the QB's are seeing the hand writing on the wall!!!

 

[Goingfor13]

Yeah, whose the hot RB at Bama right now?

I would rather be on the field playing the GAME (at least it was a game when I played) than sitting on the sidelines watching someone else winning games.

Harris had 86 yards against UF despite being removed temporarily after a wicked face mask. He's the leading rusher on the team and will eclipse 1,000 yards with a couple more carries. I don't think he's disappointed with his role. He's still a vital part of the offense.

 

[optimus-blue]

Bet you never saw Stephen Johnson playing in front of Barker either... there is probably no position where the rankings get it more wrong than QB. Lamar Jackson was the #17 QB in his class, Stephen Johnson wasn't ranked.

I've made this statement several times when this subject comes up. Kids that go to Bama aren't worried about who else is there or who else is recruited. They have the confidence that they can be better. If you're worried about who else is there then you obviously doubt your abilities. If you're good enough then you're going to play.
I've said that I believe that the reason that historically so many highly rated kids have failed or never lived up to expectations at UK is because they came to UK because they saw it as the easy road to playing time. They were more concerned with just playing than having to compete and push themselves for that playing time thus they never push themselves to reach their potential.

four star players leave ALA every year but you never hear about it and they sign another 4 star to replace them . Ky has so few 4-5 star it's more noticeable when they don't develop. Kids should alway look at playing time going to a school if you don't then, they are not educated about the process which is a lot times the case.
Btw Johnson never played in front of Barker, Barker was injured, Barker outplayed Johnson in the Spring and Fall camp but as the case with so many Qbs switchs the guy who stays healthy plays. When Johnson struggled and turned the ball over which he did a lot early,UK had to stick with him because they did not want to burn Hoak redshirt. Johnson made a great choice coming to
UK because the QB depth chart was so thin