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<blockquote data-quote="The Bell Tolls for Thee" data-source="post: 131814276" data-attributes="member: 1812660">RR took 5 years to really hit his stride.&nbsp; Nehlen took 8 years to assemble the '88 team.&nbsp; However Nehlen went into Norman his 3rd year and upset Oklahoma.&nbsp; RR had WVU competitive against a national champion level Miami team at home and then beat a decent VT school on the road in his second year.&nbsp; Crushed a decent VT team at home his 3rd year and was an athletic miracle play away from beating Miami on the road.&nbsp; Overall this made for a positive outlook.&nbsp; Stewart took an offense loaded with weapons and made them toothless to the point that he couldn't win the hapless Big East despite a defense giving up less than 13 points per game.&nbsp; He then doubled down on that being okay.&nbsp; Holgorsen lost to Kansas and hobbled to a 4 win season in his 3rd year.&nbsp; So, sure it's a building process, but that process should show some growth and improvement.&nbsp; I don't see much so far and not a single big win yet as VT is just not that good this year.&nbsp; I unfortunately see too many errors that can be traced back to coaching such as poor clock management.&nbsp; There's a reason I say year 3 is good year to start making judgements.&nbsp; Not that it's the final product, but that you should see a trend by then.&nbsp; Currently I see a good trend I'm the defensive side of the ball.&nbsp; I see a good trend in recruiting.&nbsp; I see an ugly trend on the offensive side of the ball with bland play calls and excessive presnap motion that is more trouble than it's worth.&nbsp; I see a lack of competitive strength and conditioning which has been lacking since RR's days.&nbsp; I see stubbornness from the coaching staff and the players having too much control like the coach is a friend rather than authority figure.&nbsp; Look at Huggins for the authoritative coach that generally still has players' respect.&nbsp; I see bonehead clock management and use of time outs. Will it get better with Brown over the next 2 years?&nbsp; Most likely, even if its just better quality athletes on the field.&nbsp; Will Brown get the absolute most out of the players in the future and run such a tight ship as to compete for a play off spot, I have my doubts.&nbsp; I advocated patience as well, but 5 games into this 3rd season there is more evidence than not that this staff will not elevate the program beyond average.&nbsp; I could be wrong as nothing is 100%, but so far the trend shows that odds are I'm right and God knows I really want to be wrong.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Bell Tolls for Thee, post: 131814276, member: 1812660"] RR took 5 years to really hit his stride. Nehlen took 8 years to assemble the '88 team. However Nehlen went into Norman his 3rd year and upset Oklahoma. RR had WVU competitive against a national champion level Miami team at home and then beat a decent VT school on the road in his second year. Crushed a decent VT team at home his 3rd year and was an athletic miracle play away from beating Miami on the road. Overall this made for a positive outlook. Stewart took an offense loaded with weapons and made them toothless to the point that he couldn't win the hapless Big East despite a defense giving up less than 13 points per game. He then doubled down on that being okay. Holgorsen lost to Kansas and hobbled to a 4 win season in his 3rd year. So, sure it's a building process, but that process should show some growth and improvement. I don't see much so far and not a single big win yet as VT is just not that good this year. I unfortunately see too many errors that can be traced back to coaching such as poor clock management. There's a reason I say year 3 is good year to start making judgements. Not that it's the final product, but that you should see a trend by then. Currently I see a good trend I'm the defensive side of the ball. I see a good trend in recruiting. I see an ugly trend on the offensive side of the ball with bland play calls and excessive presnap motion that is more trouble than it's worth. I see a lack of competitive strength and conditioning which has been lacking since RR's days. I see stubbornness from the coaching staff and the players having too much control like the coach is a friend rather than authority figure. Look at Huggins for the authoritative coach that generally still has players' respect. I see bonehead clock management and use of time outs. Will it get better with Brown over the next 2 years? Most likely, even if its just better quality athletes on the field. Will Brown get the absolute most out of the players in the future and run such a tight ship as to compete for a play off spot, I have my doubts. I advocated patience as well, but 5 games into this 3rd season there is more evidence than not that this staff will not elevate the program beyond average. I could be wrong as nothing is 100%, but so far the trend shows that odds are I'm right and God knows I really want to be wrong. [/QUOTE]

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