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wncbowhunter

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Yep, they sure have. Playing by the same LEGAL rules that Murphy and many, many, many, many other schools are. For that matter, Mt. Heritage and Avery send student's to the same school.

Would be honored to be mentioned in the same manner as Murphy, but at last, Mitchell doesn't have that kind of pedigree. Heck, other than beating your knights last season, and not wanting to constantly complain about the same things year after year, I would gladly liked to be discussed with Robbinsville.

Mitchell is a competitive team but really needs to break through and win the big one. Even then they would be 13 behind.

Still waiting on those grimy details, MCM speaks of.

GO Mountaineers
 
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rville20

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Yep, they sure have. Playing by the same LEGAL rules that Murphy and many, many, many, many other schools are. For that matter, Mt. Heritage and Avery send student's to the same school.

Would be honored to be mentioned in the same manner as Murphy, but at last, Mitchell doesn't have that kind of pedigree. Heck, other than beating your knights last season, and not wanting to constantly complain about the same things year after year, I would gladly liked to be discussed with Robbinsville.

Mitchell is a competitive team but really needs to break through and win the big one. Even then they would be 13 behind.

Still waiting on those grimy details, MCM speaks of.

GO Mountaineers
yep 13 behind, wake me up when you get close
 

mistermean1

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Currently, I think the four classification format is the best option but with the same amount of football playing schools in each classification (25/25/25/25). In non football playoffs setup a separate 1A classification for non traditional schools. This would be any 1A schools that have students playing sports that live outside the school's district with a few exceptions (teacher at the school's children for example). Charters and magnets (1A) would fall into this with some schools that we consider.

Determining what a "traditional" school is would be a major item to determine in this scheme but I think it is much deeper than just charters and magnets. Some schools may not like the result and would possibly need to change some of their policies to stay in 1A Traditional.

Football would remain with all other sports.
Football would qualify 192 teams for the playoffs. (Currently 256 qualify.)
The same amount of schools from each class (48) would make the playoffs.
List the schools from largest to smallest using the current ADMs.
1-32 would be Division 1. 33-64 Division 2. Smallest 32 Division 6.
Six football champions. Play at two centrally located facilities in the Triad. Try to get away from the ACC stadiums other than Wake Forest.

Regardless of a school's classification they would play with school's that are closer to their size. Under the current system where the school stays in their classificaion we have seen 1A schools with 3A numbers due to the student body growth between the last year's of the alignment and the ADM used to determine classifications.

The above meets some of the items that schools noted during the last realignment phase and continue to point out now.

Schools did not like a separate alignment for football. Schools did not like the split conferences. Schools did not like adding classifications to the non football sports.

There is an issue with charters/magnets and district hopping which hits 1A schools more than any other. The change in ADMs is not as drastic with the playoff setup in football which is the sport that numbers seem to mean the most.

I am sure many football coaches would complain about the reduction in teams making the playoffs and the removal of two champions. For those that think the NCHSAA would be against reducing the football playoffs you are incorrect. They did not push for subdividing (1A coaches did) and they have offered options to reduce the number of teams and champions. The NCHSAA admin pushed hard to reduce 1A and 4A to four rounds which I thought was justified but settled on the 48 teams and a bye for higher seeds.
All of this is true. Reducing the amount of teams in the playoffs would also help reduce teams with losing records qualifying. Teams with losing records don't belong in the playoffs in any sport except if they pull off a string of upsets and win a conference tournament.
 

btango

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I was laughed at a few years ago for saying that Charter/Magnet schools would eventually start dominating 1a football in NC just like they have in basketball. Look how far these schools have come in football in just 4 or 5 short years. It's not far off now. It's coming in the very near future, and honestly I hope it does, because there will finally be some headway made on this issue at the state level.

Ten plus years ago when the complaints were about the three Parochial schools I told everyone that there was a huge elephant in the corner and “charter schools” was the name. I was laughed at for even thinking charters could compete in the NCHSAA.

I think you will see few charters have football. Problem is two of the few are really contenders. One seems to have went out and “got” kids in the school. For now there are not enough of these s hooks to separate them out but if the NCHSAA would implement a true “traditional” school class it may work.
 
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Thunder_struck8712

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Ten plus years ago when the complaints were about the three Parochial schools I told everyone that there was a huge elephant in the corner and “charter schools” was the name. I was laughed at for even thinking charters could compete in the NCHSAA.

I think you will see few charters have football. Problem is two of the few are really contenders. One seems to have went out and “got” kids in the school. For now there are not enough of these s hooks to separate them out but if the NCHSAA would implement a true “traditional” school class it may work.

Its sad that charters are starting to take over 1A. It's all but a guarantee a charter or private school will win basketball, volleyball, tennis, and soccer now. They're creeping up in baseball and softball as well. I just don't see how anyone can think it's fair for a school that pulls from 6 counties in the most densely populated area of North Carolina to compete in a league in which a school pulls from a population of a few thousand in a rural town. Don't give me the lottery garbage either. Mountain Island Charter doesn't end up with the level of football talent they get every year by a lottery.
 

Leopard98

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Its sad that charters are starting to take over 1A. It's all but a guarantee a charter or private school will win basketball, volleyball, tennis, and soccer now. They're creeping up in baseball and softball as well. I just don't see how anyone can think it's fair for a school that pulls from 6 counties in the most densely populated area of North Carolina to compete in a league in which a school pulls from a population of a few thousand in a rural town. Don't give me the lottery garbage either. Mountain Island Charter doesn't end up with the level of football talent they get every year by a lottery.
100 percent correct . What gets me the don’t have to follow the same rules as rest highschools follows as far as dead periods and practicing as a team
 

Thunder_struck8712

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100 percent correct . What gets me the don’t have to follow the same rules as rest highschools follows as far as dead periods and practicing as a team
They do have to follow those if they are an NCHSAA member school but many of them are playing together on weekends on travel teams. The kids that play soccer at Bishop are together for years before they get to high school.
 

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All of this is true. Reducing the amount of teams in the playoffs would also help reduce teams with losing records qualifying. Teams with losing records don't belong in the playoffs in any sport except if they pull off a string of upsets and win a conference tournament.
If you want to just take the winners let’s one up that and only take the Conference Champions ! How would you feel about that ?
 

btango

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100 percent correct . What gets me the don’t have to follow the same rules as rest highschools follows as far as dead periods and practicing as a team

Absolutely 100 percent INCORRECT. I do not like the charter setup but I will always do my best to ensure the correct info is posted.
 
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btango

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If you want to just take the winners let’s one up that and only take the Conference Champions ! How would you feel about that ?

The biggest issue is three way ties. Also, there are not enough conferences to fill the bracket with only champions. I can assure you I never want to go back to the days of the predetermined playoff slots that was used to complete the bracket.
 

Wildcat10fan

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The biggest issue is three way ties. Also, there are not enough conferences to fill the bracket with only champions. I can assure you I never want to go back to the days of the predetermined playoff slots that was used to complete the bracket.
You want to limit playoffs to just just teams with winning records so let’s just back to the 70’s and do Conference Champions no matter how many conferences they are. I don’t believe in participation trophies but they are some teams in very good conferences that have a .500 record that can beat not so good teams from weak conferences that have better records. I like seeing teams get a chance. They are only 73 1A football schools anyway. If you want to see the same teams every year just go back to Conference Champions and let the others start basketball.
Just my opinion
 

btango

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I have never written that I only want conference champions. I have never written only teams with winning records. I am not a fan of byes either. I like to see an even bracket.

I think there should be less teams and less state champions. A 5-5 in one conference may be the equal of an 8-2 or 9-1 team in another area. Conference and schedule strengths have a huge disparity across the state. That is why I prefer a “power ranking” but not the way the NCHSAA has tweaked MaxPreps. I had no major issue with 8-3 Heidi Trask not making the playoffs last year. Thought they may should have been one of the 48 qualifiers but did not think they were robbed based on the teams they beat.

One reason I have supported lowering 4A and 1A to four rounds is due to the percentage of schools in the playoffs. Currently 48 qualifies over 60% of the teams. 32 is over 40% which is sensible. For 1A the travel is usually more severe and most winter sports are teams made up of football players. Allows them to move onto their winter season.
 

mistermean1

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You want to limit playoffs to just just teams with winning records so let’s just back to the 70’s and do Conference Champions no matter how many conferences they are. I don’t believe in participation trophies but they are some teams in very good conferences that have a .500 record that can beat not so good teams from weak conferences that have better records. I like seeing teams get a chance. They are only 73 1A football schools anyway. If you want to see the same teams every year just go back to Conference Champions and let the others start basketball.
Just my opinion
So you think teams with sub-.500 records belong in the playoffs?
 

Wildcat10fan

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So you think teams with sub-.500 records belong in the playoffs?
No but you have teams in very strong conferences that have losing records that could compete in playoffs. You have teams with winning records in weak conferences that play soft schedules and usually get put out early in playoffs. I know the rankings have strength of schedule but I sure don’t trust the rankings. The SMC is down this year in my opinion but I’ve seen 4-6 teams in years past compete well in playoffs. It’s a hard call but I don’t want a good team left out just because they play in a top conference