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7 Baylor Commits Want Out

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GretnaShawn

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TheBeav815 said:
...and their 2017 class is in ruins. Does NU have a relationship with any of these guys? Any shot to pull any of their 2016 or 2017 guys?

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/r...or-bears-recruits-ask-national-letters-intent
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It looks like J.P. Urquidez is the only one of the 7 that Nebraska offered. He has offers from everybody. Doesn't look Nebraska was ever high on the list. But if we are dreaming, he would be a fun pickup.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/195989/jp-urquidez
http://247sports.com/player/jp-urquidez-35185
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/4058
 
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Our 2016 recruiting class puts us at 85 scholarships. Someone would need to go or not qualify to take more.
 
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sparky4986

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Surprised it isn`t more that want out.
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You and me both. I can't really think of a good reason for them to stay. Loss of trust, loss of respectability(if that is even in college football language anymore). Seems like the whole football organization is in disarray.
 
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They should not be released, they should be made to honor their commitment. Coaches come and go all the time, things change, they had (in many cases) well over a year to research different schools and they all finally decided on Baylor, and signed a contract. Do better research and find out what kind of coach you're committing to. My guess is, if these recruits had turned over a rock or two they would have come to the reasonable conclusion Briles is a dirt bag. They probably knew it but didn't care, because they it didn't affect them personally at the time. Maybe coaches would play it straighter if more were held accountable like Briles was, and maybe recruits would consider what kind of coach their committing to a little more seriously if everyone had to honor their agreements. Now I won't end up with my panties in a bunch either way, but I don't like it if they are allowed to do this.
 
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litespeedhuskerfan said:
They should not be released, they should be made to honor their commitment. Coaches come and go all the time, things change, they had (in many cases) well over a year to research different schools and they all finally decided on Baylor, and signed a contract. Do better research and find out what kind of coach you're committing to. My guess is, if these recruits had turned over a rock or two they would have come to the reasonable conclusion Briles is a dirt bag. They probably knew it but didn't care, because they it didn't affect them personally at the time. Maybe coaches would play it straighter if more were held accountable like Briles was, and maybe recruits would consider what kind of coach their committing to a little more seriously if everyone had to honor their agreements. Now I won't end up with my panties in a bunch either way, but I don't like it if they are allowed to do this.
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Totally disagree. By not letting them out, you are punishing them and rewarding the school. Don't you think Baylor wants these players to stick with them? Why should Baylor be rewarded by forcing them to stay?
 
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Because I think kids who make a commitment and sign a contract should be expected to honor it. Adults to for that matter. Look, I get why they want to bail, but jeesh, I am sick of athletes signing contracts and then wanting to void them if everything doesn't go perfectly. Baylor is willing to live up their end of the contract, they are ready to give them exactly what they promised, that hasn't changed one iota and if you really think Baylor ends up the winner here then we have a different definition of winning. They are toast.

If they really feel the need to go elsewhere, they can transfer like everyone else does when they leave a school. I am not saying they should never be able to leave, but no special treatment.
 
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litespeedhuskerfan said:
Because I think kids who make a commitment and sign a contract should be expected to honor it. Adults to for that matter. Look, I get why they want to bail, but jeesh, I am sick of athletes signing contracts and then wanting to void them if everything doesn't go perfectly. Baylor is willing to live up their end of the contract, they are ready to give them exactly what they promised, that hasn't changed one iota and if you really think Baylor ends up the winner here then we have a different definition of winning. They are toast.

If they really feel the need to go elsewhere, they can transfer like everyone else does when they leave a school. I am not saying they should never be able to leave, but no special treatment.
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This situation at Baylor is very extreme that in my opinion should be able let these kids go where they want to play.

I feel bad for kids who are at a school when a coach leaves for another job, (not so much when a coach gets fired.) You can't leave as a player without penalty but a coach can get of a contract with a snap of a finger.
 
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litespeedhuskerfan said:
Because I think kids who make a commitment and sign a contract should be expected to honor it. Adults to for that matter. Look, I get why they want to bail, but jeesh, I am sick of athletes signing contracts and then wanting to void them if everything doesn't go perfectly. Baylor is willing to live up their end of the contract, they are ready to give them exactly what they promised, that hasn't changed one iota and if you really think Baylor ends up the winner here then we have a different definition of winning. They are toast.

If they really feel the need to go elsewhere, they can transfer like everyone else does when they leave a school. I am not saying they should never be able to leave, but no special treatment.
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So if you signed a contract with Enron you should be forced to honor it even though you didn't find out they were crooks until later?
 
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4norsemen

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Don't want any of that . No reason to bring people associated with a corrupt program to Lincoln. Things going well.
 
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4norsemen said:
Don't want any of that . No reason to bring people associated with a corrupt program to Lincoln. Things going well.
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Their epiphany came in a much shorter time the Riley. When Brenda Tracy lays bare his involvement in her tragedy will you want our players to be able to opt out without penalty?
 
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Truehuskerfan said:
Totally disagree. By not letting them out, you are punishing them and rewarding the school. Don't you think Baylor wants these players to stick with them? Why should Baylor be rewarded by forcing them to stay?
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then don't sign the committment.
 
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zwick99 said:
then don't sign the committment.
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he's basically saying he wants to change the mechanics of how these commitment papers work so that these kids are forced to actually think about their choices and the schools themselves instead of the salesmanship of the coaches who are probably gone in 3 years. the schools that actually care will do better (and so will the kids) in that case.
 
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Kleitusbpn said:
he's basically saying he wants to change the mechanics of how these commitment papers work so that these kids are forced to actually think about their choices and the schools themselves instead of the salesmanship of the coaches who are probably gone in 3 years. the schools that actually care will do better (and so will the kids) in that case.
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Are you under the impression that recruits are being prevented from thinking about their choices?
 
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Their epiphany came in a much shorter time the Riley. When Brenda Tracy lays bare his involvement in her tragedy will you want our players to be able to opt out without penalty?
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I don't think there will be backlash after she visits. Riley is doing all he can to make things right and to embrace her story and teach his players how a real man should act. He has publicly apologized to her and is actively choosing to bring her to the team to discuss the subject and tell her story of what was done to her and what it did to her life.

IIRC Riley wasn't the coach when she was assaulted, and the issue with him is she feels he did not punish the players strongly enough or denounce it strongly enough when he did take over as coach and had the opportunity to suspend or dismiss them.

Their case is one I view as two wrongs not making a right, "they" being Tracy and Riley. She didn't proceed with the charges, which leaves Riley in a grey area as to what his role should have been in meting out punishment. If there is no verdict, how is he to decide with a clear conscience whether the players are guilty and need to be punished? I can't claim to know whether the players professed innocence or admitted guilt to him. If he knew they were guilty and kept them on, I'm not ok with that. But if they never admitted guilt and there was no trial, why is it Riley's job to take over from there?

I don't blame her for wanting the whole thing to be over with and perhaps stopping short of making a lot of uncomfortable decisions in the name of justice in her decision not to go to trial. But by that same token, why is it fair for her to blame Riley for also wanting the whole thing over with and perhaps stopping short of making a lot of uncomfortable decisions in the name of justice? It strikes me as unfair that she elected not to proceed through the criminal justice system, but then chose to hold a grudge against Riley for his failure to act as judge, jury and executioner. Coaches are not supposed to be the ones determining guilt or innocence in criminal matters and carrying out sentences. That's what trials and judges are for.

Is that essentially the core of it? Is there something more I don't know about him allegedly going out of his way to sweep the whole thing under the rug?
 
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zwick99 said:
Are you under the impression that recruits are being prevented from thinking about their choices?
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Not in the slightest. i never even said i agreed with him. i'm indifferent -- because long term i don't think it really matters.

if i were honest, i'd say that the rule would probably help nebraska. if i were nick saban i would pound my fist and say this is necessary and that the other rule encourages the wild west of crazy coaches that are doing bad things and completely ignore that there are benefits of doing things the way we do them because i don't care and it benefits me so i will support it (hint: i'm not nick saban).

in the end, whatever mechanics you use legally, you still have to have the best coaches, the best facilities, etc. and even then you still maybe win a national title every 20 years. i understand his indignation and on some level even empathize, but in the end it isn't a cause that gets me all that riled up.
 
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jeans15

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Recruits,have access to investigative reports...wow...didn't know they were so informed during the process.
 
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jeans15 said:
Recruits,have access to investigative reports...wow...didn't know they were so informed during the process.
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I might not understand what you're implying here so forgive me if I'm off base...But my guess is, almost every commit knew what kind of coach Briles was and what kind of program he ran. No freaking way his shady dealings took any of them by surprise, now maybe they weren't privy to every detail, but I don't believe for a second anyone was shocked either. Kind of like the OU and Miami program backs in the day. No recruit signed up to those programs and then was floored by what was going on.
 
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Huskers_Rule said:
So if you signed a contract with Enron you should be forced to honor it even though you didn't find out they were crooks until later?
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I just saw this so pardon the delay, but yes. If Enron was still solvent and you signed a contract you should live up to it. If Enron goes belly up and doesn't exist anymore then it's a moot point because they can't live up to their end if they don't exist anymore. Name a financial firm of any sort, I guarantee somebody who works there has been charged with a crime, did everyone who had a contract with them suddenly get to void it?

I understand where you're trying to go with this, but Baylor is still there, still has a football program, is still willing to give them a free education in exchange for their football services, it doesn't matter if a boss changed along the way. If they want to leave, fine, transfer.
 
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