9 days and counting - a shout out to my boy Wayne Madkin...
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That's the funny thing about MSU fans and the MSU QB's- we boo their ***, we want them to leave, and we hate on them all the time, but then years later, they are remembered in a positive light.
Except for maybe John Bond- I can't remember what people thought of him at the end of his career. I do know that in some ways he regressed, and actually was almost as much a goat for MSU losing the 83 Egg Bowl as the wind.
And Sleepy Robinson, who I daresay left out on top, yet even he had that tragic career ending injury.
Except for maybe John Bond- I can't remember what people thought of him at the end of his career. I do know that in some ways he regressed, and actually was almost as much a goat for MSU losing the 83 Egg Bowl as the wind.
And Sleepy Robinson, who I daresay left out on top, yet even he had that tragic career ending injury.
checks a 4-3 defensesive alignment, takes the snap, rolls right on the option, fakes to Michael Haddix,ches continues down the line, pitches to Al Ricky Edwards as he is hit, he's to the 5, and he scores! I can hear it in my head just like 1983.
Madkin had the benefit of incredible defenses in 98, 99 and 00 and that basically saved his ***....by the end of his career, when he should have been as good as he could be- he lost the job to Fant- who was by far a better QB. Compare Fant's 3 year stats to Madkin's 4 years- Fant would have easily surpassed him in all categories.
People want to say Madkin won games...seriously? Check the defensive scores...Why did Wyatt have to come in and save the day a few times to cover his ***? Wyatt saved him a few times and then Fant just outright takes his job. Madkin is the most over-rated QB in State history,
Now, I understand those words may come across as harsh, so let me clarify. In no way do I look at him in the same light as a Derrick Taite- Madkin was better than that. Madkin did have some talent, he did play hard, and he did care. His performance in the UPig game in 98 to get us to Atlanta was one of the best games a State QB ever played when it mattered. But he is over-rated when all is said and done
People want to say Madkin won games...seriously? Check the defensive scores...Why did Wyatt have to come in and save the day a few times to cover his ***? Wyatt saved him a few times and then Fant just outright takes his job. Madkin is the most over-rated QB in State history,
Now, I understand those words may come across as harsh, so let me clarify. In no way do I look at him in the same light as a Derrick Taite- Madkin was better than that. Madkin did have some talent, he did play hard, and he did care. His performance in the UPig game in 98 to get us to Atlanta was one of the best games a State QB ever played when it mattered. But he is over-rated when all is said and done
was his handling of Wayne Madkin. Wayne wouldstart struggling during a game and need coaching but Sherrill would just leave alone and let him try to work his way through it. I watched it time after time.Madkin would have been a better QB with betterQB coaching.
I was up there during the Madkin years, and I got to enjoy probably the best runin MSU history. I also got to witness Madkin's cluelessness. You could see it in his eyes. It we didn't have one of the best defenses in the country, we wouldn't have won half as many games. Sure, he played hard, but so did Tyson Lee. I just recall leaving the stadium after a win and still being so frustrated, thinking about how good we could be in we only had a mediocre QB.
He's not one of the best we've had. He wasn't even the best on his own team, and he just happened to play on a really good one.
He's not one of the best we've had. He wasn't even the best on his own team, and he just happened to play on a really good one.
...is what our system asked him to do: not lose games. He had a decent supporting cast on offense 2 of his 4 years, and one of those was as a redshirt freshman. As a sophomore, he gritted out that torn tendon he suffered at Auburn (and then had repaired). As a junior, we saw him at his best, where his only real mistake was the game in Columbia, and I still want to see a picture of that penalty. Had he not been sick in Oxford, we win the Egg Bowl.
Fast forward a year, the team collapses around him, and his receivers fall off the face of the earth (except Jenkins to some extent). Am I the only one that remembers him getting so frustrated that he lasered a pass that stuck in a receiver's facemask?
Overrated? Absolutely not. No one points at him as the savior of the program, and we all know our horrible history of QB's puts him higher than he would at almost any other SEC school. Most just now realize what they couldn't recognize at the time: Wayne Madkin was an SEC-caliber QB, and when you gave him support, he won games.
Fast forward a year, the team collapses around him, and his receivers fall off the face of the earth (except Jenkins to some extent). Am I the only one that remembers him getting so frustrated that he lasered a pass that stuck in a receiver's facemask?
Overrated? Absolutely not. No one points at him as the savior of the program, and we all know our horrible history of QB's puts him higher than he would at almost any other SEC school. Most just now realize what they couldn't recognize at the time: Wayne Madkin was an SEC-caliber QB, and when you gave him support, he won games.
...from a non-Madkin fan, he was running an offense years behind the times, and that didn't play to his strengths. It was run, run, 3rd and long drop back pass. Madkin wasn't a pure passer, and that offense played to Fant and Wyatt's strengths better. And once teams realized Madkin was way worse on throws to the sidelines than crosses over the middle and adjusted accordingly, he was screwed.
If Mullen was OC for those teams, we'd have had a NC and 40 wins.
If Mullen was OC for those teams, we'd have had a NC and 40 wins.
stupid as **** and therefore had no potential, I don't understand this comment. Madkin was a slightlybipolar qb, sometimes taking advantage of his abilities by having a good game, more often completely sucking or being a complete non-factor, simply throwing incomplete passes on third down. He had all the physical tools and a good OC/qb coach probably could have made him a real threat, but I'm with the other posters that saw him at the time, he was a frustrating 17er to watch.Mr Meoff said:
Don't knowhow much of that was his fault, but I neverthought that he was "managing games" or "not losing games" when I watched him. I felt like if he didn't 17 up, our D would win, if he17ed up,our D could win, and if heactually had agood game, we'd more or less dominate. Maybe somebody can prove mewrong with some stats and a better memory, but this seems like some revisionist history.
to finish and win the game- you are not getting the job done. Check the scores of our games in 99- especially our losses. A good QB can put points on the board. Wayne had some good players around him- he was just not a very good QB.
I often wonder if Wyatt shouldnt have played more
I often wonder if Wyatt shouldnt have played more
I must have heard that a million times when Madkin was the QB. Granted our offenses under Sherrill were not geared for putting up big QB numbers but if it were not for Wyatt coming in off the bench and saving our butts a few times, Madkin's legacy would not be near what it is now.
While I'm eternally grateful to Mr. Wyatt for his comeback wins against Auburn and UK, I don't believe he should have played more. His delivery and playing style were great for rotation in, but defenses seemed to adjust to him given enough time. Matt also had an opportunity to win the Arkansas game, and couldn't. Wayne, meanwhile, managed to lead the comebacks against LSU and UM, and threw a key interception against Bama. That argument is a wash.Coach34 said:
I'd also argue that the '99 squad had few "good players" on it, at least so far as that year went for them compared to the next. The offensive line was rarely able to open holes, and our RBs were generally young or ineffective. The offense had 1 second-team all-SEC player, and that only on the AP list.