A couple D-Line questions

[SyonaraStanz]

1. Is anyone expecting Carmon to make a huge impact and go to the draft after just one year?

2. How much are we expecting from Jeff Howie on the D-Line?

It seems to me that if we can get some good production out of Carmon and Howie and with their size, we can have a nasty D-Line, especially with McPhee on the end.

Oh yeah, one more:

3. Is anyone expecting to see Cox play some on the end?

I ask because a line consisting of McPhee, Carmon, Boyd/Howie, and Cox (assuming he has maintained his speed) sounds like it could compete for top D-Line in the league.</p>

 

[chew1095]

1. Is anyone expecting Carmon to make a huge impact and go to the draft after just one year? NO

2. How much are we expecting from Jeff Howie on the D-Line? NO

It seems to me that if we can get some good production out of Carmon and Howie and with their size, we can have a nasty D-Line, especially with McPhee on the end.

Oh yeah, one more:

3. Is anyone expecting to see Cox play some on the end? NO

I ask because a line consisting of McPhee, Carmon, Boyd/Howie, and Cox (assuming he has maintained his speed) sounds like it could compete for top D-Line in the league.</p>

Hope that answers your questions.

 

[SyonaraStanz]

1. Is anyone expecting Carmon to make a huge impact and go to the draft after just one year? NO - SURE

2. How much are we expecting from Jeff Howie on the D-Line? NO - THAT'S YOUR ANSWER?

It seems to me that if we can get some good production out of Carmon and Howie and with their size, we can have a nasty D-Line, especially with McPhee on the end.

Oh yeah, one more:

3. Is anyone expecting to see Cox play some on the end? NO - SURE

I ask because a line consisting of McPhee, Carmon, Boyd/Howie, and Cox (assuming he has maintained his speed) sounds like it could compete for top D-Line in the league.</p>

Hope that answers your questions.

Two out of three usually isn't bad, but with these questions, you underachieved.Also,the limited bounds of your vocabulary are prettydisappointing.

 

[chew1095]

1. Is anyone expecting Carmon to make a huge impact and go to the draft after just one year? NO - SURE

2. How much are we expecting from Jeff Howie on the D-Line? NO - THAT'S YOUR ANSWER?

It seems to me that if we can get some good production out of Carmon and Howie and with their size, we can have a nasty D-Line, especially with McPhee on the end.

Oh yeah, one more:

3. Is anyone expecting to see Cox play some on the end? NO - SURE

I ask because a line consisting of McPhee, Carmon, Boyd/Howie, and Cox (assuming he has maintained his speed) sounds like it could compete for top D-Line in the league.</p>

Hope that answers your questions.

Two out of three usually isn't bad, but with these questions, you underachieved.Also,the limited bounds of your vocabulary are prettydisappointing.

Stupid 17ing questions, you get stupid 17ing answers.

 

[AzzurriDawg4]

Carmon should make an impact but I wouldn't expect the draft to be an option for him. Two big years in the league and he could be a solid NFL prospect. Time will tell. I think the best NFL prospects on our D-Line are 1) McPhee and 2A) and B) Cox and Boyd.

Don't think we see much of Howie this year. Our 4 man rotation of Cox, Boyd, D. Jones and Carmon should get it done. Howie might play a little, but those 4 are the horses.

Cox at end in some looks could happen. He even mentioned recently that he ran a few plays at end during practice. I don't think it will be anything more than a situation-specific move with him playing either DE in the occasional 3 down-lineman formation or DE in the 4-3 on a short down/distance play.

Top D-Line in the league? I would say definitely top half, the season will tell the rest of the story.

 

[dawgstudent]

a detriment to him playing the interior? He is 6'7.

 

[ArlngtnDawg]

1. Is anyone expecting Carmon to make a huge impact and go to the draft after just one year? I have not read anything indicating he is "that" good.

2. How much are we expecting from Jeff Howie on the D-Line? He will be in the mix and provide some added depth.

It seems to me that if we can get some good production out of Carmon and Howie and with their size, we can have a nasty D-Line, especially with McPhee on the end.

Oh yeah, one more:

3. Is anyone expecting to see Cox play some on the end? No, he will be in the rotation at DT position.

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Top 4 DTs right now are (in no particular order)
James Carmon
Fletcher Cox
Josh Boyd
Devin Jones

At DE (again in no order after McPhee)
Pernell McPhee

Sean Ferguson
Nick Bell
Johnathan McKenzie

With these 8 we have a true 2 line rotation without having to count on any true freshmans

 

[rugbdawg]

you are going to have longer arms then the other guy. It's pretty hard to fend off an offensive tackle who is 6' 6" and a guard who is 6'4'', if you are an alligator arm, 6'2'' bowling ball.

You can learn to play lower. Last time I checked you can't learn to grow your arms longer.

 

[AzzurriDawg4]

a detriment to him playing the interior? He is 6'7. <span style="text-decoration:underline">NO</span>

Just kidding. Probably a bit of a detriment. I know there were some things said early on about him learning to get low. 320 is 320 though. That is still a big man with some big trunks. I am sure it is something he has to think about constantly as he develops (leverage) but I think he is still expected to be a load to block in the middle.

 

[gtowndawg]

consistently.

 

[SyonaraStanz]

Given Carmon's size and his apparent agility, he could emerge as a really good d-lineman this year and be draftable.

I asked about Howie because I remember hearing good things about him, so I was wondering if there are any expectations for him.

According to AzzurriDawg, Cox has gotten a few looks at the end spot, which answers my question.

Stupidity didn'treach this thread until you hit "Post".
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[AzzurriDawg4]

The bowling ball is made for going forward - getting up into the body of the O-linemen and pushing them backwards. The long armed guys are better suited as OTs because they are more reactionary and can use their arms to guide players upfield, absorb contact, etc. At least that is the way I see it.

Edited to add: This is why you also dont see too many 6'6 Centers or Guards. Those guys need to be more compact to be a force in the run-blocking game and for pulling.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

not at 320lb., now if he was 275....?

I'm sure they will work on his "pad level".

 

[rugbdawg]

size for guards and centers.

But for defensive guys, in my opinion, height and length which is in normal proportionality to weight can help you more than it hurts you if you learn the proper technique. Sure, if Carmon stands up straight as he did sometimes in JUCO he is going to get murdered because of his height. His 320lbs won't matter. But...if he learns to play low AND use his extra length to his advantage, i.e. keeping linemen off of him to make plays, he can be very special.

Btw, as a defensive linemen you don't want to let the offensive get up on you unless you are just planning to bulldoze the guy. If you do, you are beat because most of the time they are going to be bigger AND once they are, they can hold without getting caught. It's pretty tough to get off a block when they have you by the jersey.

 

[Jacknut1]

took a few games to really get going last year. I expect the same for Carmon..