A discussion at work we had the other day - what's the salary needed...

dawgstudent

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where you don't give a **** on what things cost? For example, you want to fly to Boston to see the Celtics play next weekend.

Cost of flight is around $700. Tickets are $200-300 per. You are bringing your family of 4. Cost of trip is maybe 5-6K.

I think you have to make 750k/year to get to that point. With that being said, please click the ads.
 

HailStout

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I have 4 daughters. I don’t think there is a level of money that would ultimately feed the beast

Serious answer? Over a million. If you made 750k your house and cars would be nicer and more expensive. So would your vacations. You would go out to eat more. You wouldn’t have as much expendable money as you probably should Capitalism, baby.
 

Maroon13

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I'd have to know how much it cost own a jet or access to private flights. Because flying commercial is a pain in the rear to me.

So I'm guessing north of a million per year. Although I'd enjoy the hell out of $750k.
 

3407Dewey

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I honestly don’t know if I could ever live like that, no matter how much money I had. Too much history of watching my parents scrape pennies and then experiencing the same thing when I got older. I expect I will always think some things cost “too much” even if I have the money.
 

GloryDawg

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I wait until my company sends me to a location and then start to see what athletics are taking place. I have been to almost every SEC basketball stadiums. I could catch NHL, NBA and MLB. I just don't have any interest and in some cases the home office for that area has season tickets for a lot of sporting events.
 

DerHntr

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I think the number changes based on your net worth and how safe and liquid those assets are. For example, if I landed a $500k per year job, and had little if any net worth built up, it wouldn’t be enough to not care about costs in your example. I’d need at least $1m to $1.2M per year for that. But give me a net worth of around $10m and the $500k is plenty.
 
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dawgphd

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I'd have to know how much it cost own a jet or access to private flights. Because flying commercial is a pain in the rear to me.

So I'm guessing north of a million per year. Although I'd enjoy the hell out of $750k.
From my friends that fly…..owning a jet entry point rule of thumb is several million in income and 25 mm net worth( excluding residence). Obviously that scale can slide in either direction.
The annual fixed cost not the purchase is what gets many folks.
Also need to fly 2 hundred hours a year to spread the costs out.
The middle ground is Netjets/Wheels up type membership. 50 hours at 350k or so.
For reference, a quick google search puts only about 280,000 folks in the US in the above category
 

Dawgbite

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It’s more mentality than monetary. I know a guy who probably brings in seven figures just off investments. He will drive his Honda Civic to Arizona for a meeting because airfare is too expensive. He bought the suit for his daughter’s wedding at a thrift store.
 

Pookieray

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I'd say it has to do with the frequency of being able to do that. If you're talking about just doing anything of the sort as often as you'd want is a different amount than maybe just a couple times of the year.

That being said, if it's just a couple times a year I'd think $750k would solve as long as you live responsibly the other times.

If it is doing it as often as you'd like i'd say it would be way more in the area of $3-$5m
 

dawgphd

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It’s more mentality than monetary. I know a guy who probably brings in seven figures just off investments. He will drive his Honda Civic to Arizona for a meeting because airfare is too expensive. He bought the suit for his daughter’s wedding at a thrift store.
I like the way your friend thinks.
Btw, can he kick something in for an OL or two?
 

olblue

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I wait until my company sends me to a location and then start to see what athletics are taking place. I have been to almost every SEC basketball stadiums. I could catch NHL, NBA and MLB. I just don't have any interest and in some cases the home office for that area has season tickets for a lot of sporting events.
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ZombieKissinger

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There’s a multibillionaire who used to be on the board of my company, and he’d ***** about his daughter’s grad school tuition
 

Willow Grove Dawg

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$750K - $800K is a good number. I think we could live very well & maximize retirement savings, education savings for grandkids, and live very comfortably.

That private jet money is a whole other realm though. New jets run $10 million plus and used $3-$5 million. I hear folks finance new jets for 10 years with 20% down which would be $2 million downpayment & payments of at least $100K monthly.
 

ckDOG

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where you don't give a **** on what things cost? For example, you want to fly to Boston to see the Celtics play next weekend.

Cost of flight is around $700. Tickets are $200-300 per. You are bringing your family of 4. Cost of trip is maybe 5-6K.

I think you have to make 750k/year to get to that point. With that being said, please click the ads.
Really depends on what your baseline lifestyle is. We don't make make near $750k but I wouldn't think twice about that trip if it was important to us. But we don't make trips like that multiple times a year, live in a McMansion, we drive modest cars, send to public school, and save a high % of our income.

If I was stretched thin bc I consume a lot or am overly leveraged...yeah well north of $500k is going to be necessary before that trip is an afterthought.

Not judging anyone's lifestyles if they do spend most of their paycheck. We feel better paying ourselves/church/charity first. And it's also why we can make that trip when it comes up. It just can't be a frequent thing.
 
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ckDOG

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$750K - $800K is a good number. I think we could live very well & maximize retirement savings, education savings for grandkids, and live very comfortably.

That private jet money is a whole other realm though. New jets run $10 million plus and used $3-$5 million. I hear folks finance new jets for 10 years with 20% down which would be $2 million downpayment & payments of at least $100K monthly.
Private jet life / big *** blue water boat is a different kind of wealth. I feel pretty damn well off most of the time but am quickly humbled knowing what it takes for that sort thing.

If I ever catch the flying bug, a 30 year old Cessna 172 is going to have to do.
 

Dawgbite

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I like the way your friend thinks.
Btw, can he kick something in for an OL or two?
When we would go to lunch, all of us but him would get iced tea. He would make it a point to tell us to get lemon He would order water and take our lemons and the sweetener on the table and make lemonade because water was free or at least cheaper than tea or soda.
Do you honestly think someone like that would give money to something as stupid as NIL?
 

johnson86-1

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where you don't give a **** on what things cost? For example, you want to fly to Boston to see the Celtics play next weekend.

Cost of flight is around $700. Tickets are $200-300 per. You are bringing your family of 4. Cost of trip is maybe 5-6K.

I think you have to make 750k/year to get to that point. With that being said, please click the ads.
One $6k weekend every month is 72k. $2.5M in investments will feed that indefinitely.

you could spend $72k a year on those type trips making $750k no problem, but it’d be kind of dumb if you aren’t already set.
 

kired

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It’s wild that some sh!tty football coaches make a lot more than this. That’s why so many get lazy after signing a big contract
 

beachbumdawg

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where you don't give a **** on what things cost? For example, you want to fly to Boston to see the Celtics play next weekend.

Cost of flight is around $700. Tickets are $200-300 per. You are bringing your family of 4. Cost of trip is maybe 5-6K.

I think you have to make 750k/year to get to that point. With that being said, please click the ads.
So run SPS
 

Crazy Cotton

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There's a big difference between a high salary and sitting on inherited/acquired wealth, as somebody pointed out above.
Here's some things that change that aren't necessary intuitive when you enter the top salary tax bracket

1. You're in that top bracket! Unlike people taking long term gains or qualified dividends and paying 25%, you're stuck for that 37%. If you own a business, you've got some tools to lower taxable income, but if you're making that through salary, expect to be paying a couple hundred thousand of that 750K in fed income tax alone.
2. You've lost pretty much all of your deductions because they're fazed out for high earners - you can't deduct kids tuition, day care. You can't make a pretax contribution to a personal Roth or traditional IRA. Unless you're really sick, your med expenses are not going to meet the 7.5% floor. There's limits you'll hit on interest deductions. Your ability to lower your tax liability, from a percentage basis, changes a ton.
3. If your kids are going to a really good college, you're likely going to eat most of tuition if they're not stellar students. Top schools, e.g. Vandy, Ivy's etc. limit their merit awards to congratulating you for being accepted, and focus their aid on needy students and top performers. You will have a 100% expected family contribution on that FASFA, so you'll be footing that bill.
4. If you raise your standard of living to match the high salary, you are screwed if the job goes away, and you're probably screwed anyway - biggest mistake that commonly happens and can eat people alive if their disposable income is now servicing the boat, the giant house, the two BMWs, the two kids in college and their BMWs, etc. Seen it happen way to often, and many times the high income earner is doing this before they've retired the debt that got them there - med school, law school etc. can easily set you back several hundred grand plus interest. You didn't inherit properties, trust funds, etc, you're financing them - bad mistake.
5. A lot of high salary people just happen to have a talent or created an opportunity that has a lot of value, and aren't from monied families. So if you want the cousins or siblings along for that Disney trip or an exotic family reunion, you're probably gonna need to fund a good bit of the cost - feels great to have that capacity, but can be a big chunk of cash. Same with doing your duty to aging parents, nieces and nephews, etc. You have the means to help provide for the people you love, but it can be a drag on your ability to build wealth,

So if you have any sense, you're socking away what you can while the getting is good, and yelling at your wife about giving away the farm and spending like a drunken sailor every Christmas. And you definitely don't say 17 you with your money - middle finger still works fine.
 

Bulldog Bruce

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I honestly don’t know if I could ever live like that, no matter how much money I had. Too much history of watching my parents scrape pennies and then experiencing the same thing when I got older. I expect I will always think some things cost “too much” even if I have the money.
So you would take the little basket home from the grocery store?
 

johnson86-1

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It’s more mentality than monetary. I know a guy who probably brings in seven figures just off investments. He will drive his Honda Civic to Arizona for a meeting because airfare is too expensive. He bought the suit for his daughter’s wedding at a thrift store.
That's deranged unless he just truly loves driving. Time is your most precious asset. If you are generating 7 figures in investment income and drive 10 hours to save $1,000, that is a terrible tradeoff. Hell you shouldn't drive anything more than 3 hours if there is a direct flight, and the only reason it's not two is just because of how much of a pain in the *** dealing with commercial flight is.