A few observations....

[shsdawg]

1. Despite what the basketball experts here think, we are better with Sid on the floor.
2.What little talent we DO have is VASTLY overrated. Talented teams do not get blown out by Auburn even if thay have ME as a coach.
3. Anyone that thought we SHOULD win this game was stupid. That doesn't mean we won't. That just means we struggled with them at home. That usually means a loss on the road.
4. RECRUITING will be Stans' downfall.

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[shsdawg]

1. Despite what the basketball experts here think, we are better with Sid on the floor.
2.What little talent we DO have is VASTLY overrated. Talented teams do not get blown out by Auburn even if thay have ME as a coach.
3. Anyone that thought we SHOULD win this game was stupid. That doesn't mean we won't. That just means we struggled with them at home. That usually means a loss on the road.
4. RECRUITING will be Stans' downfall.

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[Coach34]

1. People talk about Sidney's lack of desire- nobody really thinks Wendell is better than Sid

2. Our talent is not OVERRATED- our talent is undisciplined, uninspired, and uncoached

3. When we get to the point that we SHOULDNT expect to beat the SEC's worst programs in basketball- we need a coaching change

4. The Recruiter has multiple problems leading to his downfall

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

Blame for that lays in the coaches and players both. We did have the talent this season to do better than we have but in the end, the players have to give a damn and I only see a couple that do.

The coach has to make them give a damn as well and he may have been trying, but I think Stans is now a victim of his own personality as a coach. Great recruiter but somewhere he lacks the ability to translate to the players when they get here. Some have developed, but an equal number have underachieved.

I will keep hoping for Rick and the team to pull a rabbit out of the hat but I think it may be over.

 

[CadaverDawg]

are left with a team full of really good High School Senors ability-wise.

 

[mstatefan88]

You've hit the nail on the head. Everyone keeps saying we don't have talent because weplay badand loseto these bad teams. You can't just go out and play street ball and win. It is your coaches job to develop techniques and strategies to beat teams. Our coach doesn't do that. If these players were capable of winning games with anyone as a head coach, we would pay someone over a million dollars to put this **** on the floor.

Our talent is not coached well, and they haven't learned how to take a lead and do the things necessary to hold it. They haven't learned how to come back from deficits by playing lock down defense. And like you said, when you expect to lose on the road to one of the worst teams in the conference, it's time for a coaching change. </p>

 

[shsdawg]

"Coach". I see two guys with some on offense ONLY,one more withpossibly some potential, and that is IT. That is based on their body of WORK this season. That's NOT based on what some idiot talking head had to say before the season started.

 

[msugolf]

The only thing you left out was
5. What do you guys expect when we have one of the smallest budgets.

 

[Thick]

Even if we win, it's horrible basketball on both ends of the court and the coaching is piss poor to boot. One point, 2-3 zone, our best shooter inside 15 feet is Hood. He should be at the ft line to force defenses to press him making the low post wide open. Little adjustments, we actually ran that set one time...result, 2 ft's for Hood.

 

[shsdawg]

I've been on too many sidelines to think there is much a coach can do about that. Players either have it or they don't. Now you can argue that in college that it's a coach's job to spot that or the lack of it in a player before he is recruited.

 

[mstatefan88]

Bost is the all time assists leader for this program andcurrentlyleads the SEC in steals. Moultrie and Hood have both been projected as lottery picks within the last few weeks, Moultrie this year and Hood next year. Whether you like it or not, Sidney is talented. He can shoot, he can pass,he is just fat and out of shape. Don't say he's not talented because he put on a ton of weight. We have talent on this team, and if you dispute that, you don't know anything about basketball. </p>

 

[shsdawg]

that wasn't even defending Stans. That was actually a scathing attack on him. You people are so blinded by hate and the party line you can't see it.

 

[Coach34]

"Coach". I see two guys with some on offense ONLY,one more withpossibly some potential, and that is IT. That is based on their body of WORK this season. That's NOT based on what some idiot talking head had to say before the season started.

Everybody in the goddamn country talks about how talented we are- but because you love the coach more than the program- you want to try and downplay it.

It's time for a change- Helen Keller even sees it

 

[DerHntr]

with a ton of upside potential owing to his size, strength, speed, vision on the court, and basic fundamentals (notice this is the only thing that was coached in that list). After that the talent of a group of guys needs to be given a structure and a system that plays to those strengths while at the same time coaching them so that they strengthen the fundamentals they showed up with.

We have talent. We just don't have a coach who can harness that talent.

 

[shsdawg]

except on SID. He ain't talented. He may have gifts but it is quite obvious by now he doesn't posess the talent to use them. So by your count that is three talented players and one projected talented player. My count is two and one. by either count that is NOT a talented team. </p>

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

When it happens season after season the program is in trouble.

Rick has been loyal and great for MSU, but unless we do a 180 it does not look good for the future.

 

[SchruteDog]

"Coach". I see two guys with some on offense ONLY,one more withpossibly some potential, and that is IT. That is based on their body of WORK this season. That's NOT based on what some idiot talking head had to say before the season started.

Wow! I love how you Bury disciples can just completely **** on the team and call them untalented. We've got 40% of the SECs top 5 scorers in our starting lineup. What more do you want? Just because our clueless coach can't draw up a damn play for them doesn't mean they don't have talent. Hell, the fact that we have 2 players averaging over 16 ppg with Bury coaching them is miraculous.

 

[shsdawg]

I DON'T think Stans is a great coach.He is average at best. I just don't hate him andI don't think he is as sorry an on the floor coach as many think. I think his recruiting ability is overated, perhaps heavily so. He is a great judge of athletic basketball ability, less so of the manyother factors that make a decent college player. </p>

 

[mstatefan88]

We have THREE guys that are very talented and a 4th with Sid. Bost, Hood, and Moultrie have no questions about them. Bost played very good defense the 1st 3 years he was here. You think it's a coincidence he all of a sudden has problems on defense? So by my count that makes three plus Sid. That equals 4 dude, not 3. 4 is enough for us to have an above average team, which we have.

 

[shsdawg]

scoring is all that matters. You people hate Stans so bad that anyone who doesn't hate him is automatically a disciple. See my above post for my real opinion of him.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

He has been on a mission for years and any attempt of using reason will only gain you a 17tard in return.

 

[shsdawg]

I don't think anyone questions that. We agree, except about SID. He AIN'T talented at the moment.He has astounding gifts that he is not using. Gifts do NOT equal talent. Nobody questions that Hood will be a great player. He isn't yet. You are confusing potential and eventual talent with current talent. Bost and Moultrie are good players. Bost isn't an NBA player, if he was he would be there NOW. He tried, remember? He is a very good offensive NCAA PG. He is average on D. Moultrie has looked great in two of the three facets of a big man's game. Average on the other one. That may be enough for an NBA career, maybe not. His lasttwo games have hurt his stock. I agree, we are average. Wearen't a great team.

 

[patdog]

The problem is, that is ALL we have on the roster. Everyone else on the roster is a role player at best and a liabilitymore often as not. This is the shallowest roster I've seen since Richard Williams took over. When it's 3 on 5 every night, it doesn't matter too much how talented the 3 are. Then when you add that they're undisciplined, uninspired, and uncoached, it shouldn't be much of a surprise we're playing ourselves from a decent seed to the bubble.

 

[boomboommsu]

95%+ of D1 basketball players don't learn defense before they come to cOllege. Stans is incapable of teaching it to them, other coaches are not.

It's pathetic to use Stans lack of coaching as a defense of him. If he can't recruit or teach his players to play half the game, why the 17 should he keep his job?

 

[ColMuldrow]

Gifts do NOT equal talent. Nobody questions that Hood will be a great player. He isn't yet. You are confusing potential and eventual talent with current talent. Bost and Moultrie are good players. Bost isn't an NBA player, if he was he would be there NOW. He tried, remember? He is a very good offensive NCAA PG. He is average on D. Moultrie has looked great in two of the three facets of a big man's game. Average on the other one. That may be enough for an NBA career, maybe not. His lasttwo games have hurt his stock. I agree, we are average. Wearen't a great team.

By your reasoning a coach's job doesn't include developing or utilizing talent. You admit that we have players with gifts and potential but don't you think the coach bears some of the responsibility to get something out of that?

When you finally admit to yourself that we have too much talent to be playing the way we do you'll feel a lot better about yourself. You're almost there.

 

[shsdawg]

that was a trade mark. You are about a stupid understanding arguements here as you are in politics if you think I was defending anyone. You have a hard time getting beyond direct line reasoning.

 

[shsdawg]

Gifts do NOT equal talent. Nobody questions that Hood will be a great player. He isn't yet. You are confusing potential and eventual talent with current talent. Bost and Moultrie are good players. Bost isn't an NBA player, if he was he would be there NOW. He tried, remember? He is a very good offensive NCAA PG. He is average on D. Moultrie has looked great in two of the three facets of a big man's game. Average on the other one. That may be enough for an NBA career, maybe not. His lasttwo games have hurt his stock. I agree, we are average. Wearen't a great team.

By your reasoning a coach's job doesn't include developing or utilizing talent. You admit that we have players with gifts and potential but don't you think the coach bears some of the responsibility to get something out of that? When you finally admit to yourself that we have too much talent to be playing the way we do you'll feel a lot better about yourself. You're almost there.

as in Sid. Hood is doing fine, he is a FRESHMEN. Bost and Moultrie have developed the talents they have pretty well.3 players do not make a talented team.

 

[buckydog]

"I will never reach my full potential here at State.". I will always remember that quote. And Romero Osby seems to doing much better at at OU. That is coaching!

 

[boomboommsu]

You've been defending him on here for weeks. Just because even you now see what the rest of us saw long ago, don't think you can ignore how you were wrong. Entirely typical of you to attack me rather than admitting you were wrong.

 

[shsdawg]

Nothing has changed in my argument, which I never even made here until about 3 weeks ago. I don't think Stans is a very goodevaluator of basketball players. I think he is a good recruiter ofwhat is generally considered to betalent. That does NOT make him aGOOD recruiter. I think he isaverage as a floor coach AND at developing talent. You can't develop talent if it doesn't have the mentality to be developed. I almost totally agree with Shane Power's statement the other day. I STILL don't think you fire Stans yet. If he doesn't make the tourney then you have an opening. I would wait one more year personally. After what is very likely to happen next year then you avoid all appearances of Cutcliffing a coach. It would also avoid the new coach getting the blame for it. It won't matter WHO the coach is next year. (disclaimer; those are WAY earlyexpectations. I doubt any here wouldreally disagree though. If I'm wrong then that would be GREAT for MSU). I would also find a way to keep Stans on the payroll untill he qualifies for state retirement if he wants that. He has done enough for MSU over the years that he deserves that. THAT is my comprehensive statement on Stans. </p>

 

[shsdawg]

I think Stans use to be a good evaluator of players. I think over the last few years he got caught up in the stars and forgot about the hearts.

 

[hulkbuster]

This has got to be a 17'n joke. Dude how many times have we won off of a Bost steal. Or a final defensive lock down on a PG in the past? A ton! Like somebody said earlier, he was a good defensive player for his 1st 3 years. Now all of a sudden he doesn't go hard through the on ball screen. Or is late getting back after the pick is set? Alot! Oh, we are FAR more talented than Akron, Georgia, LSU or Auburn. **** dude, Detriot Mercy gave us a run for our money too. We are WAY more talented than ANY of those teams. But we lost terribly to all of them. That's pretty bad! You people act like Jalen's not talented. The bears would be a whole lot better if they had a shooter like him. Too many people trying to play hero ball. Thay's coaching.

 

[Cousin Jeffrey]

Some people are confusing poor play with a lack of talent. I hate to go all M-W but talent is defined as "a special natural ability or aptitude" or "a capacity for achievement or success." There's no mention of having the drive or direction to succeed. Just because our players don't give a crap or don't have the proper structure or direction doesn't mean the talent isn't there. Possessing the physical tools to play basketball doesn't guarantee success. You still have to have the drive and direction or you'll get beat, even by inferior teams. And such things don't have anything to do with talent.

 

[ColMuldrow]

Gifts do NOT equal talent. Nobody questions that Hood will be a great player. He isn't yet. You are confusing potential and eventual talent with current talent. Bost and Moultrie are good players. Bost isn't an NBA player, if he was he would be there NOW. He tried, remember? He is a very good offensive NCAA PG. He is average on D. Moultrie has looked great in two of the three facets of a big man's game. Average on the other one. That may be enough for an NBA career, maybe not. His lasttwo games have hurt his stock. I agree, we are average. Wearen't a great team.

By your reasoning a coach's job doesn't include developing or utilizing talent. You admit that we have players with gifts and potential but don't you think the coach bears some of the responsibility to get something out of that? When you finally admit to yourself that we have too much talent to be playing the way we do you'll feel a lot better about yourself. You're almost there.

as in Sid. Hood is doing fine, he is a FRESHMEN. Bost and Moultrie have developed the talents they have pretty well.3 players do not make a talented team.

Whose fault is it that we are playing 3 v. 5 basketball against these teams with superior talent, i.e. Auburn, Arkansas, LSU, OM?

 

[patdog]

as saying we don't have enough talent to beat Georgia, LSU and Auburn. But yeah, the fact we're playing 3 vs 5 in a lot of games is all Stans's fault. No excuse for him to let the depth get that bad.

 

[shsdawg]

I already answered this. THAT is where you can get on Stans if you want to.