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As a lot of us wants a new DC after the season, let’s have a discussion about who we want and whoever we discuss does the defense scheme that Brohm does.

I’ll start as who we absolutely won’t ask, Charlie Strong. It’s not because he left to go to Texas, but what happened off the field.
 

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Pretty confident no one was thrilled when Brohm brought English with him. We knew who English was, and we were not impressed. That said, the defense was pretty damn good last year, much to our surprise. It was a borderline top 20 defense. This year, yeah, things have soured a bit. The defense is currently ranked 72nd and trending downward. Fortunately, BC's offense is ranked 95th.

Anyway, if Brohm were to move on from English, I wouldn't mind going the younger route. Find an up and coming DC at a MAC or CUSA school.
 

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Pretty confident no one was thrilled when Brohm brought English with him. We knew who English was, and we were not impressed. That said, the defense was pretty damn good last year, much to our surprise. It was a borderline top 20 defense. This year, yeah, things have soured a bit. The defense is currently ranked 72nd and trending downward. Fortunately, BC's offense is ranked 95th.

Anyway, if Brohm were to move on from English, I wouldn't mind going the younger route. Find an up and coming DC at a MAC or CUSA school.

Speaking of CUSA school, who was the DC @ WKU when Brohm was the head coach?
 

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Ok.

Now we not only have to win, we have to do it morally.

Charlie can’t come back because it would alienate a huge donor.

But if he could I’d take him.

Ethics in intercollegiate sport left when NIL and open transfers came in.

Just win
 

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Problem with Strong is no one else wants him either. When coaches fall they rarely find their way back. I think his success at Louisville was tied to his staff’s recruiting. Hurrt was a legit recruiter.

Jim Leonard/Hurrt would be interesting.
 

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Pretty confident no one was thrilled when Brohm brought English with him. We knew who English was, and we were not impressed. That said, the defense was pretty damn good last year, much to our surprise. It was a borderline top 20 defense. This year, yeah, things have soured a bit. The defense is currently ranked 72nd and trending downward. Fortunately, BC's offense is ranked 95th.

Anyway, if Brohm were to move on from English, I wouldn't mind going the younger route. Find an up and coming DC at a MAC or CUSA school.
Should be a disclaimer on this post saying when we finally played somebody the defense was not good.
 

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Brohm knows a lot of people in college football. I’m sure he knows somebody if he decides to change.
 

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As a lot of us wants a new DC after the season, let’s have a discussion about who we want and whoever we discuss does the defense scheme that Brohm does.

I’ll start as who we absolutely won’t ask, Charlie Strong. It’s not because he left to go to Texas, but what happened off the field.
I guess if we can re-hire Bobby, we can re-hire anybody except Pitino. I don’t see Josh doing it however.
 

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Ok.

Now we not only have to win, we have to do it morally.

Charlie can’t come back because it would alienate a huge donor.

But if he could I’d take him.

Ethics in intercollegiate sport left when NIL and open transfers came in.

Just win
C’mon man, it’s not because of the donor, it’s because Charlie’s wife is never coming back to Louisville.
 
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Honest question?

Well, "honestly," this defense isn't as BAD and horrendous as this fan base thinks. Our fans are probably over-reacting because they simply fail to recognize the strength of opponents, at least offensively, that we've been facing this year.

Let me try to explain:

I've always hated when people reference raw stats with no strength of schedule/opponent factored in. That can be very misleading, because bad offenses will make your defense look good, and great offenses can make them look bad. No question we looked rough on defense Saturday, but we were playing a team that has made all of their opponent defenses look pretty weak this year. In fact, Miami may be the top offensive team in the entire country, at least thus far. And they had two weeks to heal up and prepare for us.

But let's look at our defensive numbers so far this year over our first 7 games. Even better, ignore the 62-0 pounding of FCS Austin Peay altogether - just look at FBS competition only. In 6 games thus far vs FBS competition, we've given up 28.3 ppg. Last year at this time, we had only allowed 24.0 ppg, considerably better because it "ranked" UofL's scoring defense much higher on the Scoring Defense ranking, right? Well, as Corso would say, not so fast. Not when you consider strength of opponent.

Last year's team faced offenses in those first 6 FBS games that averaged 27.2 ppg, giving them a defensive performance number of +3.1. This simply means the defense, on average, held their opponent offenses to about a FG below what they normally scored. Remember the Pitt game last year? It was our 7th game, just like Miami. We didn't give up 52 to Pitt, but we did allow 38 to a team that only scored 20 ppg (a putrid number of -18).

This year's defense has faced offenses that are scoring, on average, 36.8 ppg! Their defense giving up 28.3 ppg this year is actually producing a performance number of +8.5, meaning they are holding offenses on average to over a TD below what they normally score. This defense has already faced as many offenses that average over 30 ppg (5) that last years' team faced all last year over a 13 game schedule (again, FBS only). Giving up 52 Saturday sucked, but Miami averages 48 ppg, so that -4 number was not as abyssmal as many of you think, and it was the only negative number the defense has posted this year. And 7 of those points were scored by their defense on the fumble recovery.

Last year's defense posted a +6.3 performance number for the entire season. This year's defense thus far has posted a +8.5 number. The biggest difference of the two seasons thus far is the strength of offensive opponent this year's defense has faced vs last season. Last year, after the defense posted that horrific, season-worst -18 number against Pitt, they followed it up with their two top performances of the season in the shutout against Duke (23-0) and the domination of Va Tech (34-3).

Let's not talk about firing anybody, discuss meaningful stats, and see how these kids respond after their first negative number of the season.
 

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The issue with the defense is the blown coverages. To me that is coaching. They played really good against BC except for 3-4 plays that resulted in 100 yards. That has happened in every game. I wasn’t really upset with the Miami performance but again blown coverages led to 14 points. The SMU game they looked completely disorganized. Again blown coverages and assignments. Teams have figured out going fast against them is a good idea.

Let’s talk basic stats which go to the point of who Louisville plays.

Offensively every ACC team Louisville has played except Miami is near the top 50 in scoring defense. Louisville offense is 21st in scoring offense. Nothing wrong with the offense statistically. They are playing solid defenses and scoring. Keep in mind the new time changes has helped defenses.

Defensively they have faced 3 top 30 scoring offenses. The rest outside the top 50. They are sitting at 72nd in scoring defense. Statistically the defense is an issue this season.

Last season they were offensively 41st in scoring offense and 33rd in scoring defense.
I am not surprised they had a good year and pulled out close games.

There is no reason for Louisville in the ACC not to be in the Top 50 every year in scoring defense. There just aren’t that many really good offenses in the conference. If they get that consistently they will contend.
 
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Offensively, we rack up a lot of mostly irrelevant team and individual stats in the middle of the field. Inside the 20, we struggle (88th in the country). Can’t beat really good teams that way.
 
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Which completely ignores the explosive plays that result in TD’s. They are ranked 21st in offensive scoring that is plenty good enough if it was tied with a top 40 ish defense. When it isn’t, yes red zone stat becomes more important.
 

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We’re scoring 36.6 ppg. Excluding the first two cupcakes, it’s 30.3.

The defense is giving up 24.6 ppg, and minus the cupcakes, it’s 30.5.

IOW, we’ve been outscored the last six games. That’s total offense.

Like yardage in the middle of the field, those first two games just padded our stats. This team is pedestrian on BOTH defense and offense…
 

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It is always both. All I know you aren’t to compete for conference or a playoff spot you better have Top 20-50 units. If either unit is outside of that range good luck. The only way around that reality is one of the units would have to be elite.

Doesn’t matter to me who coaches the defense but it has to be a Top 50 unit every year. They have enough resources to perform at that level.
 

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Agreed. I just get tired of the obsession with the defense. This offense is subpar esp. considering who we have coaching on that side of the ball...
 

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I think the issues on offense are tied more to the players than scheme and execution. The start of the BC game was Bruce dropping a pass, Bruce fumble, Tyler being soft and throwing a terrible pick. They missed on one of the tackles spots and the other one got hurt. Which has led to inconsistent play. Once they stopped making mistakes they played really good. They were actually very good in the red zone against BC.

The defense has more operational issues with their scheme and execution. It has consistently led to huge plays. Let’s see what happens against Clemson.
 

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I would like to see Brohm go one of two ways: I would go find an old, grizzled, no-nonsense dude who knows the ins and outs of motivation and fielding a solid, no-nonsense defense and no real aspirations of trying to get a "better job" OR I would go after a young dude with SEC ties who may or may not be a DC now but has a good resume and can come in and recruit and coach like his hair is on fire.

I'm being dead serious—if (and I don't think this happens) Stoops were to leave Lexington, I would very much consider Brad White. UK's defense has been good under him, and he's known in SEC recruiting country and Ohio. I don't think it would happen even if Stoops were to walk away, but it's worth considering.
 

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Defense and more specifically all of the "rules" in coverage are something completely alien to what it was like when I took my last snap of football in HS 40 years ago. Where we keep getting caught is in the pass offs which I think are like switches in man-to-man in basketball. Motion of an outside receiver into a bunch formation where the slot receiver and outside receiver responsibilities are changed and have to be communicated on the fly. That's what coaches are talking about when they say misalignments or poor communication which sounds like Coachspeak but it is as fundamental in defensive football as brushing your teeth before bed. We have been caught on it over-and-over all year and the offensive staffs of the teams we have played aren't idiots, they have increased the number of times they do this during a game. We got caught for TDs twice against BC with it, multiple times against Miami where it really is a fundamental within their scheme, burned on it by UVa for a 4th down score that was identical to the one scored by BC on 4th down that caught Puryear in coverage for an easy score. SMU and Ga Tech burned us for huge gains. The seam route for the TD against Notre Dame was the same thing and so was the 4th quarter lost responsibility breakdown that led to the TD scoring drive that was the score that proved to be the winning one.

It's damned frustrating to endure because it is coming on 3rd and 4th down so frequently that you not only aren't getting the stop, you're getting a crushing momentum shift and completely flipping the field.
 

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I agree other teams have definitely picked up on Louisville issues with communication and lack of formation identification. It doesn’t appear to be a very instinctive or intelligent group in terms of defensive football.

I also think the staff is predictable because teams always run the right play against their defense. The wheel route that isolated or picked 41, who normally rushes. UK did the same thing last year. The wheel route Virginia they hit for a TD. Teams aren’t that lucky in calling the right play each time. Louisville is either very predictable or they are tipping their coverages.
 
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