A little perspective

[Lone Star Hoopcoach]

All-time wins/winning %

• Alabama: 827-321-43 (.712)
• Tennessee: 799-354-53 (.684)
• Georgia: 759-402-54 (.647)
• LSU: 743-394-47 (.647)
• Florida: 680-387-40 (.632)
• Auburn: 714-414-47 (.628)
• Texas A&M: 692-452-48 (.601)
• Arkansas: 684-460-40 (.595)
• Ole Miss: 628-492-35 (.558)
• Missouri: 631-530-52 (.542)
• South Carolina: 565-545 (.509)
• Kentucky: 580-582-44 (.499)
• Vanderbilt: 572-579-50 (.497)
• Mississippi State: 514-549-39 (.484)

After so many years of listening to our friends at the University of Mississippi, one would have to believe that through the years they have at least doubled the average number of wins when compared to State.

Not so fast there Paco....

The University of Mississippi has won on an annual basis, 7% more games than MSU.

Mississippi .558
MSU .484

Difference .074 (7.4%)

.074 * 12 = .888

I gave them the benefit of a 12 game season for the duration, as opposed to 11 or 10.

In other words, less than one win more than State in an average year.


Yeah, I'm bored.

 

[drt7891]

All I see is that Vandy and Kentucky have better winning percentages than we do overall.

Also, in many cases, 7.4% is a statistically significant figure. I don't get what you are trying to prove... it doesn't make much sense.

 

[Shamoan]

i think our on-the-field results are exactly at .500.

W-L-T

531-531-40....a rarity for sure.

according to my spreadsheet anyway....but yeah, minus that stretch in the 70's where we had a crapload of wins turn into losses, we are looking up at vandy and uk.

 

[archdog]

Also our crappy history of playing most of our conference games on the road probably has something to do with it.

 

[engie]

All-time wins/winning %

• Alabama: 827-321-43 (.712)
• Tennessee: 799-354-53 (.684)
• Georgia: 759-402-54 (.647)
• LSU: 743-394-47 (.647)
• Florida: 680-387-40 (.632)
• Auburn: 714-414-47 (.62
• Texas A&M: 692-452-48 (.601)
• Arkansas: 684-460-40 (.595)
• Ole Miss: 628-492-35 (.55
• Missouri: 631-530-52 (.542)
• South Carolina: 565-545 (.509)
• Kentucky: 580-582-44 (.499)
• Vanderbilt: 572-579-50 (.497)
• Mississippi State: 514-549-39 (.484)

After so many years of listening to our friends at the University of Mississippi, one would have to believe that through the years they have at least doubled the average number of wins when compared to State.

Not so fast there Paco....

The University of Mississippi has won on an annual basis, 7% more games than MSU.

Mississippi .558
MSU .484

Difference .074 (7.4%)

.074 * 12 = .888

I gave them the benefit of a 12 game season for the duration, as opposed to 11 or 10.

In other words, less than one win more than State in an average year.


Yeah, I'm bored.

Go and look at our(actual, on-field) win percentage vs the Big6 in the SEC and get back to me...It's practically identical all-time...

The actual all-time difference between the programs is even more razor thin than you are projecting... One tremendous coach for them(that beat us basically every year for 2.5 decades) that avoided Bama and Auburn and loaded their schedule with cupcakes...while we played Auburn, Bama, LSU, and Ole Miss back-to-back to end the season practically every season from 1955 until Arky joined the league in 1992.

Basically, we NEVER had competent leadership that set us up for anything but long-term failure...

 

[zerosktr151]

anyone know that website that was in a thread some time ago of the SEC teams head to head records and also listed teams records in each stadium? couldnt find it in search

 

[bgdog]

Worst consolation table ever?

Allthatdidwasmakemefeelterribleku

 

[patdog]

This website has everything you might want to know.

Link

 

[uptowndawg]

Please tell me this is a joke

Your trying to make being ranked 14/14 in something out to be positive thing?

 

[ultra dwarf]

Here's just a little more perspective. MSU played Alabama, Auburn, LSU, and Florida a total of 123 more times than TSUN played those same teams. (AL +37 , AU +48, FL +31, and LSU their rival +7)

 

[maroonmania]

2 points from me:

1. Those numbers aren't even legitimate if it includes all the wins in the 76-77 time frame showing as losses due to the illegitimate NCAA Larry Gillard witchhunt where he got a discount on clothing that all students could get and then we were forced to forfeit all games he played in.

2. Sort of agree with HD6's opinion from the B&B show that the birth of modern MSU football was in 1991 with Sherrill coming to town and the 13-6 win over Texas. Before that we just pretty much accepted our place as the SEC's 'loveable losers'. That year that all stopped. We've still had some rough years since then at the end of Sherrill and beginning of Croom but we certainly don't sit on our hands about it and accept it like we used to.

 

[msudawg12]

yea but...... I posted this on 247

so, looking at our all time record in an article on SDS and we currently sit at
514-549-39
I really really want to get to that .500 mark. so forecasting that out, say we average 8-5 over the coming years. that accounts for some lower years and some higher years and throws in some bowl wins.
we wont break .500 until after the 2024 season when we will be 610-609-39
it made me sad.
we need to have some bigger years and bump that average

 

[engie]

yea but...... I posted this on 247

so, looking at our all time record in an article on SDS and we currently sit at
514-549-39
I really really want to get to that .500 mark. so forecasting that out, say we average 8-5 over the coming years. that accounts for some lower years and some higher years and throws in some bowl wins.
we wont break .500 until after the 2024 season when we will be 610-609-39
it made me sad.
we need to have some bigger years and bump that average

We are currently at .500..."Official" records are something of totally ridiculous standing at this point...see can't you sift through it...
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/friv/forfeits.cgi

We forfeited 4 wins and a tie in 1975.
According to your initial numbers, that makes us 518-544-40 on the field.

We forfeited 9 wins in 1976.
That takes us to 527-535-40 on the field.

We forfeited 5 wins in 1977.
That takes us to 532-530-40 on the field.

Alabama forfeited a win over us in 1993.
That takes us to 531-531-40 on the field.

We "peaked" at 476-451-40 in 2000 on the field. The "official" record at that time was 456-462-39.

 

[Shamoan]

forfeiting those 19 games killed us. taking away 18 wins and a tie and making them losses was brutal. maybe if we do away with the ncaa or change the amateur status of players, those can retroactively be corrected especially considering how minor the "infraction" was. what a damn joke....only state would this happen to (the severe nature considering its a 38 game swing....18 wins + a tie turned into 19 losses = 38) and on the flip side, when florida tried to forfeit a game retroactively, we declined it. if anything, we should have vacated those wins and not allowed them to hurt us record wise (a la penn state).

if we had done that, the records for 75-77 would have been:

0-6 ('77)....forfeited all wins
0-2 ('76)....forfeited all wins
2-4 ('75)....forfeited four wins and a tie

interesting tidbit, the ncaa has not accepted a forfeit since 1998. it looks like they have moved from penalizing the team by making the game in question a loss, to not allowing said team to count the victory. REALLY bad timing on our part. we are far and away the most penalized of schools.

guys, engie's link is freaking unreal. study that thing for a while. look at how much "mississippi state" is on that list....its incredible.

that thing says "forfeited win over mississippi state" 18 times! we might actually be on the right side of the forfeit war....THAT is something i never knew....i sure hope our media guide has been updated because that is a lot of forfeited wins turning to losses and forfeit losses turning into wins. truly incredible. according to this, we are 18-19 or around there in games ending in some type of forfeit...or at least upon initial review.

this needs much more investigating, but that is some interesting stuff engie.

 

[Tomas Smid]

SEC also has the most members of top ten

bowl winning percentage all time among teams with at least 20 bowl games.

1. Penn State: 26-12-2 (0.67500)
2. USC: 30-16-0 (0.65217)
3. Mississippi: 19-12-0 (0.61290)
4. Georgia Tech: 22-14-0 (0.61111)
5. Oklahoma: 24-16-1 (0.59756)
6. Georgia: 24-16-3 (0.59302)
7. Alabama: 31-21-3 (0.59091)
8. Auburn: 19-13-2 (0.58824)
9. Florida State: 20-14-2 (0.58333)
10. Miami (Fla.): 18-13-0 (0.58065)

 

[Drebin]

All-time wins/winning %

• Alabama: 827-321-43 (.712)
• Tennessee: 799-354-53 (.684)
• Georgia: 759-402-54 (.647)
• LSU: 743-394-47 (.647)
• Florida: 680-387-40 (.632)
• Auburn: 714-414-47 (.62
• Texas A&M: 692-452-48 (.601)
• Arkansas: 684-460-40 (.595)
• Ole Miss: 628-492-35 (.55
• Missouri: 631-530-52 (.542)
• South Carolina: 565-545 (.509)
• Kentucky: 580-582-44 (.499)
• Vanderbilt: 572-579-50 (.497)
• Mississippi State: 514-549-39 (.484)

After so many years of listening to our friends at the University of Mississippi, one would have to believe that through the years they have at least doubled the average number of wins when compared to State.

Not so fast there Paco....

The University of Mississippi has won on an annual basis, 7% more games than MSU.

Mississippi .558
MSU .484

Difference .074 (7.4%)

.074 * 12 = .888

I gave them the benefit of a 12 game season for the duration, as opposed to 11 or 10.

In other words, less than one win more than State in an average year.


Yeah, I'm bored.

I don't care about all those years that they only let white boys play. I'd like to see this list since 1980. Better yet, since we went to the divisional format. All of this talk of how many games a team won in the 60s as a measure of how great a program is just comes of as ridiculous to me.

 

[Lone Star Hoopcoach]

All I see is that Vandy and Kentucky have better winning percentages than we do overall.

Also, in many cases, 7.4% is a statistically significant figure. I don't get what you are trying to prove... it doesn't make much sense.

All I'm saying is that Mississippi isn't as great as their collective memories would imply. We may have a tradition of sucktitude, but they are right along side of us.


I do agree massively about the 60's and the white boy effect.....