A look at Nebraska's talent level

Mr.Scary13

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This is for all the naysayers that's been harping for weeks about how Nebraska has talent to be undefeated at this point. This was taken from another board from a known stat guy. This guy used a comparison of Nebraska's talent level compared to Purdue, (the team many on here claim to have one of the worst teams in college football with no talent), and here's the numbers....

This was taken from24/7 composite rankings, (all the sites combined)

Nebraska's starters, roster:
Avg 247 comp rating 0.829438462
Avg star 2.42
Avg BCS offers 4.88

Purdue's starters, roster:
Avg 247 comp rating 0.83851812
Avg star 3.0
Avg BCS offers 4.27
 

MOhusker12

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This is for all the naysayers that's been harping for weeks about how Nebraska has talent to be undefeated at this point. This was taken from another board from a known stat guy. This guy used a comparison of Nebraska's talent level compared to Purdue, (the team many on here claim to have one of the worst teams in college football with no talent), and here's the numbers....

This was taken from24/7 composite rankings, (all the sites combined)

Nebraska's starters, roster:
Avg 247 comp rating 0.829438462
Avg star 2.42
Avg BCS offers 4.88

Purdue's starters, roster:
Avg 247 comp rating 0.83851812
Avg star 3.0
Avg BCS offers 4.27
But, but, but we beat them last year as some would say, so Riley must not be a good coach. I got news for everybody. If you turn the ball over 5 times with a back up walkon QB you won't win against anybody. People say we returned 15 starters from last years team, many of which have been to hurt to contribute significantly this year. We have started over 40 different players through the first nine games. People wonder why we play inconsistently at times that number right there should tell you all you need to know.
 

JHball

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But, but, but we beat them last year as some would say, so Riley must not be a good coach. I got news for everybody. If you turn the ball over 5 times with a back up walkon QB you won't win against anybody. People say we returned 15 starters from last years team, many of which have been to hurt to contribute significantly this year. We have started over 40 different players through the first nine games. People wonder why we play inconsistently at times that number right there should tell you all you need to know.
You guys trying to justify basically getting blown out by Purdue is like comic relief.
 

jflores

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Hard to quantify talent, with numbers or whatever.

Zatechka made very unkind comments about our talent and our OL talent, at length. I have to take his word as reasonably competent considering I've never played OL myself.

Talent is not the only reason we are losing games, but its certainly an issue, if not in general, at least at key positions. IMO, there's enough key positions with problems, we can call it an in general problem.
 

huskerbaseball13

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This is for all the naysayers that's been harping for weeks about how Nebraska has talent to be undefeated at this point. This was taken from another board from a known stat guy. This guy used a comparison of Nebraska's talent level compared to Purdue, (the team many on here claim to have one of the worst teams in college football with no talent), and here's the numbers....

This was taken from24/7 composite rankings, (all the sites combined)

Nebraska's starters, roster:
Avg 247 comp rating 0.829438462
Avg star 2.42
Avg BCS offers 4.88

Purdue's starters, roster:
Avg 247 comp rating 0.83851812
Avg star 3.0
Avg BCS offers 4.27

Undefeated? Probably not....better than 3-6, hell yes. Like I pointed out to you last week when you were making things up in regards to blaming Tommy for the BYU loss, talent aside there has been at minimum two games we lost that was greatly effected by poor coaching. That stuff can be rectified, but things we didn't expect to happen when hiring an experienced HC. Do the walk ons count as 0 stars and get factored into the 247 comp rating?
 

huskerbaseball13

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Didn't go back to watch the game...just going off what ourlads.com has for Purdue's depth chart but we started 6 Rivals **** stars compared to their 1. Maybe they started different players compared to what ourlads is saying but I question his Purdue star average also based on just Rivals.com. I'm not all that familiar with 247 rankings though. I did not include ST.
 
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Mr.Scary13

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Everybody agrees we need more talent, lots of it...it's pretty clear the coaches need to do better as well. You like to gloss over that part.

No I dont, I'll hold judgements for a year or two until some players are brought in. There's just too many people talking out of both sides of the mouth on this site. These numbers don't lie, the talent level for Nebraska right now is on part with Purdue and the record reflects that.
 

vs540husker

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Unless I have the wrong starters, Nebraska has a total of 65 "stars" compared to Purdue's 59 and that's factoring in Nebraska's four starting walk-on's like Janovich who get a 0 as they were not rated. Nebraska has 8 four stars starting compared to Purdue's one four star.
All I did was count stars, I didn't use the composite numbers.
 

meo1960

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This is for all the naysayers that's been harping for weeks about how Nebraska has talent to be undefeated at this point. This was taken from another board from a known stat guy. This guy used a comparison of Nebraska's talent level compared to Purdue, (the team many on here claim to have one of the worst teams in college football with no talent), and here's the numbers....

This was taken from24/7 composite rankings, (all the sites combined)

Nebraska's starters, roster:
Avg 247 comp rating 0.829438462
Avg star 2.42
Avg BCS offers 4.88

Purdue's starters, roster:
Avg 247 comp rating 0.83851812
Avg star 3.0
Avg BCS offers 4.27
Kinda tells me what a GREAT coach BO was to win with such losers! <sarcasm>
 

wxman42

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Not sure what 24/7 has but it's clear from Rivals Rankings that NU had more star power at the top (5.7 Ranking or above) 12 players (NU) vs 5 players for Purdue. NU started 5 walkons vs 1 for Purdue so that does seem to indicate NU has very little depth at some positions.

NU Starters vs Purdue Starters:
..NU.......Purdue
6.0: 1..........0
5.8: 7..........1
5.7: 4..........4
5.6: 1..........5
5.5: 3..........8
5.4: 1..........2
5.2: 1..........1
NR: 5..........1
 

JHball

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You clearly know nothing about football and sports in general. Just pointing out the reasons why teams lose.

Ok tough guy. I do know this, we lost to a team that just picked up its second conference win in 3 years. I'm also smart enough to know that star ratings don't usually mean much. See my post on how many busts we had in the Callahan era and the other post on how many Bo had in his last 3 years. All those 4*'s that didn't turn into squat. But you're right, I know nothing about sports. I only played all the way through college and no, not beer league softball.
 

MOhusker12

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Ok tough guy. I do know this, we lost to a team that just picked up its second conference win in 3 years. I'm also smart enough to know that star ratings don't usually mean much. See my post on how many busts we had in the Callahan era and the other post on how many Bo had in his last 3 years. All those 4*'s that didn't turn into squat. But you're right, I know nothing about sports. I only played all the way through college and no, not beer league softball.
Well if you know so much then you must recognize the fact that this years team, do to all of their injuries is not the team that returned 15 starters from last year. Also of the guys we lost do to graduation/nfl I would say that we did not replace most of those guys with equal talent. Couple that with the fact that we started a walkon backup QB it is not that easy to see why we lost (5 turnovers). Did you even watch last years game vs Purdue. When Ameer went down we struggled on offense the rest of the game. I would not say we put a beat down on them last year. I to played all the way through college and have coached at the collegiate and high school level for over 16 years, so I know how injuries factor into outcomes of games. So many of you fans think we can just plug a new player in and the result will be the same. There is a reason coaches have depth charts. The same team that beat us last Saturday also played MSU tough and almost beat OSU a couple years ago, so I guess give a little credit to Purdue every now in then they can play a good game.
 

B1G RED RULES

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This is for all the naysayers that's been harping for weeks about how Nebraska has talent to be undefeated at this point. This was taken from another board from a known stat guy. This guy used a comparison of Nebraska's talent level compared to Purdue, (the team many on here claim to have one of the worst teams in college football with no talent), and here's the numbers....

This was taken from24/7 composite rankings, (all the sites combined)

Nebraska's starters, roster:
Avg 247 comp rating 0.829438462
Avg star 2.42
Avg BCS offers 4.88

Purdue's starters, roster:
Avg 247 comp rating 0.83851812
Avg star 3.0
Avg BCS offers 4.27
Well - it's news to me that we have been dragging bottom in the B1G on recruiting since we joined, but that's what I keep hearing - so it must be true. So assuming this is true and we could not get any better than walk ons to consider stepping onto our campus, we just have to wait for Riley to recruit some top classes like he did at OSU. Alrighty then...
 

Husker Hunyock

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If I remember correctly, when the BTN road crew checked out the Nebraska team during fall camp, they said that they had the most talent in the West division.
 

JHball

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Well if you know so much then you must recognize the fact that this years team, do to all of their injuries is not the team that returned 15 starters from last year. Also of the guys we lost do to graduation/nfl I would say that we did not replace most of those guys with equal talent. Couple that with the fact that we started a walkon backup QB it is not that easy to see why we lost (5 turnovers). Did you even watch last years game vs Purdue. When Ameer went down we struggled on offense the rest of the game. I would not say we put a beat down on them last year. I to played all the way through college and have coached at the collegiate and high school level for over 16 years, so I know how injuries factor into outcomes of games. So many of you fans think we can just plug a new player in and the result will be the same. There is a reason coaches have depth charts. The same team that beat us last Saturday also played MSU tough and almost beat OSU a couple years ago, so I guess give a little credit to Purdue every now in then they can play a good game.
Who made the decision to put in the walk-on QB? We have scholarship guys on the bench. Few schools can replace an Abdullah but we have other 4* kids also on the bench, why not play them? DE I'll give you. LB was supposed to be terrible and when a walk-on is manning the middle, we are at our best. Our 4* guy is no Chris Weber. I would say we have pretty good coaching there, where is it everywhere else? Can anyone confidently say that any other position on the field including special teams has improved?

Also, we have had injuries every year. Our OL was usually a mash unit and down to 3rd stringers by the time we got to the end of Big 10 play. Last year Abdullah was about 75% for much of the season (still was like most players at 110%), Gregory played at less than that or just sat out completely. Banderas was always hurt, Rose-Ivey didn't play at all, Keith Williams hardly played and neither did Maurice. Our whole secondary is virtually the same. We miss Kenny Bell but even he didn't have a great season due to injuries and you can even say Alonzo Moore has basically picked up where he left off. We also didn't have Reilly most of the year or Sam Burtch. Losing DPE definitely hurts as he was a game changer on special teams.

And still Bo and Co pulled up in their clown car and managed to win 9.

We're all frustrated, I think that's a given. I just don't buy into the talent argument like so many others. Is that part of the problem? Absolutely but I still just don't see the improvement. To me that's coaching. Everyone from the top down needs to step their game up. At this point I think the players are begging for someone to take the lead. Maybe Riley wants them to figure it out on their own, I don't know, but if someone doesnt figure it out quick they may all be looking for jobs after next season.
 

Harry Caray

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I thought the whole basis for hiring Riley was that he was able to do "more with less" at Oregon State? Yet so far he has lost games to Al Golden, Illinois' interim coach, and Darrell Hazell - 3 coaches who are absolute failures.

I hate to tell you, but we're never going to out-recruit Urban Meyer and Harbaugh...and those guys are going to be coaching long after Riley hangs it up. That means if Riley wants to win a conference championship, he's going to have to find a way to beat well-coached teams with more talent.
 
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JHball

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I thought the whole basis for hiring Riley was that he was able to do "more with less" at Oregon State? Yet so far he has lost games to Al Golden, Illinois' interim coach, and Darrell Hazell - 3 coaches who are absolute failures.

I hate to tell you, but we're never going to out-recruit Urban Meyer and Harbaugh...and those guys are going to be coaching long after Riley hangs it up. That means if Riley wants to win a conference championship, he's going to have to find a way to beat well-coached teams with more talent.
Also, Golden has already been fired and there's a good chance that the other two won't be coaching at their respective schools next year.
 

supersport24

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Bo never had to coach at Nebraska with a roster this depleted by injury.
Bo dealt with injuries many years. His two best players were hurt last year. Gregory didn't have much of an impact last year, and Abdullah was at best 70 percent down the stretch. A couple years ago when we played Georgia in the bowl game we also had a ton of injuries not to mention we had years where our best players T-Mart and Burkhead were hurt. Injuries are part of the game. If we were to end 7-5 you could possibly put some blame on them, but to have only 3 wins with this weak schedule is on our poor coaches.
 
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Harry Caray

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Bo never had to coach at Nebraska with a roster this depleted by injury.

2013? I recall Martinez (4-year starting QB), Kenny Bell (best WR), Jamal Turner, Spencer Long (All-American), Jake Cotton (starting OL) were all injuried/banged up for a good portion of that season. I also remember Rex Burkhead missing about half the season in 2012. Injuries are a poor excuse in a violent sport. They are going to happen.
 

BornNBredRed

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Nobody is going to buy the talent argument anymore, its just an excuse.

Why wouldn't anyone believe what is in black and white right in front of your face. If you actually believe that our defense has a lick of talent on defense outside of the DT position, you are the worst talent scout in history. Don't quit your day job.
 

barney44

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Anyone know what how Memphis stacks up on depth chart ratings? They look to have an average class star rating of about 2.3 since 2011 but I couldnt say what their depth story is.
 

B1G RED RULES

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Why wouldn't anyone believe what is in black and white right in front of your face. If you actually believe that our defense has a lick of talent on defense outside of the DT position, you are the worst talent scout in history. Don't quit your day job.
I must have had my head in the sand since we joined the B1G, as I don't recall any posts where the entire B1G was consistently out recruiting us year in and out - but apparently we have been pulling in top 70 type of recruits. Riley will get this fixed, he's had top 50 classes in his tenure.
 
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Mr.Scary13

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Anyone know what how Memphis stacks up on depth chart ratings? They look to have an average class star rating of about 2.3 since 2011 but I couldnt say what their depth story is.

Give this Nebraska team Memphis' qb and they are setting undefeated. They probably have the best qb in the country.
 

NorthWillRiseAgain

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Who made the decision to put in the walk-on QB? We have scholarship guys on the bench. Few schools can replace an Abdullah but we have other 4* kids also on the bench, why not play them? DE I'll give you. LB was supposed to be terrible and when a walk-on is manning the middle, we are at our best. Our 4* guy is no Chris Weber. I would say we have pretty good coaching there, where is it everywhere else? Can anyone confidently say that any other position on the field including special teams has improved?

Also, we have had injuries every year. Our OL was usually a mash unit and down to 3rd stringers by the time we got to the end of Big 10 play. Last year Abdullah was about 75% for much of the season (still was like most players at 110%), Gregory played at less than that or just sat out completely. Banderas was always hurt, Rose-Ivey didn't play at all, Keith Williams hardly played and neither did Maurice. Our whole secondary is virtually the same. We miss Kenny Bell but even he didn't have a great season due to injuries and you can even say Alonzo Moore has basically picked up where he left off. We also didn't have Reilly most of the year or Sam Burtch. Losing DPE definitely hurts as he was a game changer on special teams.

And still Bo and Co pulled up in their clown car and managed to win 9.

We're all frustrated, I think that's a given. I just don't buy into the talent argument like so many others. Is that part of the problem? Absolutely but I still just don't see the improvement. To me that's coaching. Everyone from the top down needs to step their game up. At this point I think the players are begging for someone to take the lead. Maybe Riley wants them to figure it out on their own, I don't know, but if someone doesnt figure it out quick they may all be looking for jobs after next season.
Are you serious? Play guys because they were 4*? First, aj bush was a 3* running qb. Darlington is a 4* who cannot even surpass that walk on, or a running qb. Just because there's stars behind their name doesn't mean that they are better.
 

JHball

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Why wouldn't anyone believe what is in black and white right in front of your face. If you actually believe that our defense has a lick of talent on defense outside of the DT position, you are the worst talent scout in history. Don't quit your day job.
Are you serious? Play guys because they were 4*? First, aj bush was a 3* running qb. Darlington is a 4* who cannot even surpass that walk on, or a running qb. Just because there's stars behind their name doesn't mean that they are better.
You mean like saying a walk-on is better than our 4* MLB?
 

NorthWillRiseAgain

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You mean like saying a walk-on is better than our 4* MLB?
The fact that that is happening should be alarming. You seem to think a 4* means he is automatically a star, so the walk ons must be also, when it is more that some of our 4* "talent" are just paper tigers.
 

JHball

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The fact that that is happening should be alarming. You seem to think a 4* means he is automatically a star, so the walk ons must be also, when it is more that some of our 4* "talent" are just paper tigers.
You got it backwards. I am saying stars don't account for heart, work ethic, maybe a growth spirt, etc. People put too much emphasis on star rankings.
 
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barney44

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Give this Nebraska team Memphis' qb and they are setting undefeated. They probably have the best qb in the country.

He cant play in the secondary so I'm doubting Nebraska would be undefeated with him. Our biggest issue sits in the secondary so Lynch isn't fixing that. We would probably be sitting better than we currently are but until we get a stiff defense all the Paxton Lynchs in the world wont have us sitting undefeated.