A MSU Basketball Thread

ArcherSPS

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What's the Pack's hopes, dreams, and expectations for this year's squad?
This year's roster:

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Last year's
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One thing you'll notice is that we finally got some height in the post. Last year we had 2 players over 6-9 (that's not counting Strugg), but this year we have 5.
 

thf24

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I can believe it looking at him. I've thought all along that he'll help this year as a role player but needs a full year in the weight room before he's ready to play more than 8-10 minutes.
 

DawgatAuburn

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Regarding the height.....you can't count Ado unless he miraculously gets cleared. Datcher and Strugg both seem like projects. To your point, they are at least available, which is a step in the right direction, and hopefully they are not Fallou Ndoye type projects, e.g. one who is never going to be skilled enough to make a meaningful contribution. I would imagine our post minutes this year will go to Holman and Herard, and that Kegler and Q will have to provide some rebounding support.
 

BiscuitEater

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Basketball information is in really short supply with way more questions than answers. Such as ..

- Yes we have more height. So, how are the 'bigs' looking so far?
- When does official practice start? Will we start to get some team updates then?
- Is Ado cleared to play? If not, what is the outlook for him getting cleared? Can he continue to practice with the team? Is there a deadline.
- How is Stapleton's rehab progressing? Had heard that he wouldn't be ready before start of SEC sched in Jan. Is he ahead or behind?
- Really hope the Europe trip helped to bring along some of the younger guys. How is team chemistry doing?

Besides the five seniors (Ware, Sword, Daniels, Thomas and Zuppardo), the 'departed' also included .. Newman, Houston, and Ndoye. We actually only return Q (12.0), Ready (9.2), Holman (1.9), and Strugg (RS) from last year's team.

Biggest 'unknown' is how quick this team comes together and starts playing like a team. We haven't really had 'team' basketball in a long, long time. And, while this team is 'way more' talented than we have had, can they learn to play as a team. Working to set screens, passing for an open shot, aggressive defense, blocking out .. plus the small things like inbounding the ball, working together to beat a press, noticing double teams to find the open man, taking advantage of mis-matches, and finally .. actually running a play besides pass the ball around the outside and sling up a 3 right before the buzzer.

My hope is that Howland can instill that 'team' attitude, the team learns from their mistakes and they improve every time out. With only one Senior (Ready), and zero Juniors, this team has the chance to do great things in the next couple of years.
 

MSUDC11

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We have one of the weakest OOC schedules I've ever seen, so that's a double edged sword. It will help a young team build confidence going into conference play, but it may kill any at-large hopes if we are better than expected.

Much like last year's squad, this team should be very entertaining to watch, even in defeat. My hope is to be above .500 for the first time in 5 years and contend for an NIT bid. And if I'm Howland, I would accept a CBI bid if they want us.
 

Junction John

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Give me 20 wins and being pissed that we were passed over vs. 13 wins any day.

We'll win 20 and barely miss NCAA bid due to weak OOC schedule.

I realize there's an emphasis on RPI and all that, but this team needs to win games and gain confidence at this point, not to mention that if they slipped up and won a couple they weren't supposed to, they are in. At least you're in the discussion at 20.

The tournament is littered with teams each year that maybe didn't deserve to be there. Sign me up for that.
 

thf24

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Ravern could have been All-SEC and in the NBA right now if he'd had a coach who made him get in the weight room and develop his game beyond the 3-ball. Same story will Carter; he'll be great for us regardless but needs to hit the weight room hard to maximize his potential. No doubt that will happen under Howland though.
 

KurtRambis4

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Ravern could have

had Phil Jackson as his coach and he wouldn't have been in the NBA. His problem was between his ears, attitude, specifically. You can lead a horse to water...
 

olblue.sixpack

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had Phil Jackson as his coach and he wouldn't have been in the NBA. His problem was between his ears, attitude, specifically. You can lead a horse to water...

Good post. Blaming a coach for a guy not getting to the NBA is - lets just say - and interesting take.
 

thf24

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had Phil Jackson as his coach and he wouldn't have been in the NBA. His problem was between his ears, attitude, specifically. You can lead a horse to water...

Good post. Blaming a coach for a guy not getting to the NBA is - lets just say - and interesting take.

I mean yeah, it's ultimately no one but the player's fault for not living up to his potential, but can you honestly say that attitude and work ethic weren't recurring issues in our program from around 2006-2012? Hard for some guys to overcome culture.
 

KurtRambis4

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I don't care

what the alleged or perceived "culture" was at that time, Stansbury is not to blame for Ravern not being in the NBA. Come on now, get serious. I know everything that happened bad is his fault, but really?
 

patdog

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True. Ravern was a decent SEC player. But he was never going to be an NBA player. Not even close.
 

StatesboroBlues

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Exactly...Ravern was a cancer...

had Phil Jackson as his coach and he wouldn't have been in the NBA. His problem was between his ears, attitude, specifically. You can lead a horse to water...

I know he went AWOL at least 3 times...once his last year after being suspended for games for missing class. No extra time was placed on him for just not showing up/calling. So yes, Stans didn't help him but he should have been kicked off the team halfway through his last year.
 

KingBarkus

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I see this year as prep for next year. Yeah, the ole wait til next year mantra may hold weight, not the General's weight, but some validity.
 

thf24

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what the alleged or perceived "culture" was at that time, Stansbury is not to blame for Ravern not being in the NBA. Come on now, get serious. I know everything that happened bad is his fault, but really?

Alright, poor idea/choice of words on my part and poor taste to include Stansbury. My point was simply that Ravern could have been a whole lot better if he'd put in the time he needed in the weight room.
 

msudawg12

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First of all, we have a terrible OOC

11 games that we should have a chance to win each of. hopefully we get the winners game in charleston so we can take a loss to Nova. We will undoubtedly lose another game just because we will.

So 9-2 OOC

our SEC schedule gets broken down like this.

Games we likely have no shot at
vs UK
vs TAMU
@LSU
@ SCAR
@ Vandy (we dont do well there)


Games that we have a shot at
vs Bama
@ Bama
vs LSU
@ Arkansas
vs Tenn
@Tenn
@ OM
vs OM
@ Auburn (was a should win based on last year, but Pearl doing work too)
vs SCAR
@ UGA
vs Florida

Games we maybe, possibly, SHOULD win?
vs Mizzou

In the games we have a shot at, lets just be optimistic and say we go 4-2 at home and 2-4 on the road to split at 6-6.

That comes to a 7-11 SEC record again. The same as last year. But I just cant believe that happens.

I’m going to take the 9-2 OOC and adjust to a 10-8 SEC record. I just feel like somehow, some way we see an above .500 record and hopefully we get a few of those W’s early and get some crowds in the hump.

So 21-10 (10-8) with an NIT appearance.
 
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