A new Stansbury thread at the request of Dawgstudent....

DawgatAuburn

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There is another thread speculating as to names to replace Rick. Some people (including me) think it is too early to do that. My question is when is it the right time? At what point does this speculation of names become relevant? Do we replace him if we are not in the NCAAs next year? If not, then after the next year? If not then, when?

I know some people would be OK with replacing him now. I am not one of those. I am just curious since it is such a hot topic.

This discussion started here.
 

DawgatAuburn

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There is another thread speculating as to names to replace Rick. Some people (including me) think it is too early to do that. My question is when is it the right time? At what point does this speculation of names become relevant? Do we replace him if we are not in the NCAAs next year? If not, then after the next year? If not then, when?

I know some people would be OK with replacing him now. I am not one of those. I am just curious since it is such a hot topic.

This discussion started here.
 

DawgatAuburn

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There is another thread speculating as to names to replace Rick. Some people (including me) think it is too early to do that. My question is when is it the right time? At what point does this speculation of names become relevant? Do we replace him if we are not in the NCAAs next year? If not, then after the next year? If not then, when?

I know some people would be OK with replacing him now. I am not one of those. I am just curious since it is such a hot topic.

This discussion started here.
 

DawgatAuburn

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There is another thread speculating as to names to replace Rick. Some people (including me) think it is too early to do that. My question is when is it the right time? At what point does this speculation of names become relevant? Do we replace him if we are not in the NCAAs next year? If not, then after the next year? If not then, when?

I know some people would be OK with replacing him now. I am not one of those. I am just curious since it is such a hot topic.

This discussion started here.
 

dawgstudent

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assuming we don't make it this year, I think it would be time to say thanks for the memories.

Remember when supposedly LT told Stansbury just make the NIT and Stansbury said we should shoot higher. Well, if what I outlined above happens, the NIT is where we have been going.
 

patdog

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But I'll play along. If Stans makes the NIT next year, he gets one more year but his job is hanging by a thread. No NIT next year, and he's gone.</p>
 

Coach34

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says its NCAA or bust next year. And I agree with him. We are trending downhill, and if it continues next season, its time to go in a new direction.
 

dawgstudent

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2 out of the past 3 years he has made the tourney. I know you can cherry pick a starting point but 3 out of 5 years is what I expect.
 

Coach34

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at what point should Stansbury have to advance past the 2nd round to keep his job? Does he get 10 more years to make the Tourney 3 times and lose in the 1st or 2nd round?
 

dawgstudent

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I would love for him to advance but we would look like idiots for firing him. And I just would not want to fire him.
 

Optimus Prime 4

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good looking freshmen who are getting better as the season goes on, and look set for the following year.

Though I have no clue what kind of talent he has coming in.
 

Maroon Eagle

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If the people who are expected to arrive or return do come back, I would say 2010. If they don't, then 2011.
 

BlindDawg

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I'd say no postseason (NIT or NCAA) next year, he goes. No NCAA, I think earns him a hot seat and a NCAA or bust for the following season. As far as coach's question about how long is just getting in the NCAA enough....I think continuity and making consecutive trips to the tournament are big factors in making it to the second weekend. So, with that being said, I think if we get the continuity and consecutive trips with a few experienced teams that we'll have a good shot of making the Sweet 16. Lately our program has lacked both continuity and consecutive trips to the Dance, so I'd like to see us reach that plateau before we start making mandates on how far he has to go in the tournament. Now I know someone will likely point out that we have had both continuity and consecutive tournament appearances previously and Stans didn't make it to the second weekend, and I am very aware of that. My point is I would like to see us get back to that level before we start making demands on how deep of a tourney run he has to have.

Honestly, I think the continuity of the program is a much bigger issue than the lack of postseason play lately. I think with Stans and the quality of the program we have, that if we get continuity in our team then we will make regular appearances in the tournament. If it hasn't been done already, I would like Byrne to have a sit-down with Stans to discuss the transfers and figure out a way to stop the bleeding. I also wouldn't be opposed to replacing an assitant or two. As much as I like Kirby, Cunningham, and Grant, I think they may have gotten a bit to complacent in their jobs, and I also think they bring a lot of the same qualities to the team. I think all are solid coaches, but I would like to see more diversity in coaching abilities on the bench.
 

Hanmudog

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But if we don't reach the NCAA next season then I agree that we need to go another direction. However I do think we would look like fools for firing him for not reaching the Sweet 16. That would be like Ole Miss firing a football coach for not reaching a BCS bowl.
As far as the original topic, I would be in favor of going with a Duke or North Carolina assistant with good recruiting connections.
 

DowntownDawg

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...I'll be ticked if we screw around and get an 8 or higher seed and bow out in the first or second round. I wouldn't be in favor of firing him, but I would have seen all I need to see of the guy. There are just too many consistent problems with his basketball program that have been around the whole time he has been here that I am growing tired of it. Coaching life cycle I guess.
 

Todd4State

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With Bost, Ravern, Randy, Phil, and probably Jarvis and a hopefully improved Osby, I think he should be gone.

We return our entire team next year in all likelihood. There is no reason for us not to be better. All of the guys I just mentioned can score, they do have problems with defense, but there's no reason why that shouldn't get better as they mature, and I'm hoping that Osby can help with the rebounding next year.

We'll have two seniors next year- something we don't have this year, A junior and a RS junior coming off of the bench, and two So. as our main players.

If Stans has any brains, he'll scour the JUCO circuit for a PF that can rebound and play D and give us a hard nosed attitude on defense. Guys like that probably aren't highly rated, so I don't know who he will go after, but I'm willing to bet that there is someone out there like that.
 

Todd4State

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Because we have only been to the Sweet 16 twice in our entire history.

The thing is, if we keep going to the Big Dance, the odds are that we are going to eventually break through. It's not like we are getting beat by Siena every time we make it to the second round. It's usually someone like Duke, Memphis- who played in the NC game- (Sorry Rick, losing to the National runner-up just isn't going to cut it), or Texas in what amounted to a road game for us.

The other losses were tp Xavier, where you can have a legit beef with that, but the fact is even the big boys lose to a team like that every once in a while, and Butler, while also bad, is also a team that has knocked off larger schools before in the Big Dance.

I mean, when are we going to fire Dan Mullen for not going to the Sugar Bowl every year? Geez.
 

thelaw

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Even if our entire team returns next year I don't think we have the size or the speed to compete with teams in the Big East (UConn, Marquette, Pitt). Those teams would kill us... we need more size.
 

Hanmudog

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I for one am not worried about how we match up with UConn or Syracuse a the moment. We do need to contend for the overall SEC title next season though. There really won't be any really big teams in the SEC next year fortunately so our lack of size may not hurt us as much as it would in some leagues but a good bruiser like a Domingue or Walters would be nice.
 

DawgatAuburn

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Jarvis, Turner, Randy, Bost and Ravern playing 34+ minutes a game most nights.
Bailey and Osby getting their minutes and B Johnson's. Best case scenario would be Osby turning into Branden Vincent Jr over the summer and stealing minutes from the guards and allowing us to play him and JV a lot at the same time.
Benock will get spot duty. Shaun Smith will play the role of Kodi. Two minutes a night, first half only. You know, just enough to waste the redshirt but not enough to get anything out of him.

I am betting Kodi will transfer, and I think most everyone here agrees with that. I don't see Tranny staying around to play 5 minutes a game behind a future All SEC point guard so I look for him to go somewhere. I somehow doubt Holcombe makes it back from injury and suspension to ever suit up for the maroon and white again. So there are this year's three transfers.
 

BriantheDawg

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So let me get this straight. If our all-time winningest basketball coach wins 19 or 20 games next season, with pretty much the entire team coming back the following year, but we don't make the Tourney, and you're the AD, you'd fire his ***? Think about that. Best coach in MSU bball history coming off a 19 or 20 win season, you'd move on to bigger and better (doubt it) things.

For the life of me, I just can't understand that logic. And if you're the AD and you'd actually do this, I somehow find it hard to believe you'd be the AD very much longer.
 

Coach34

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how does a coach win 19 games a season?

OOC schedule- averages 15-16 games for teams...lets say you are an average team playing the likes of Centenary, UL-Monroe, North Alabama, Farliegh Dickinson and the likes as we did this season...there is no way to not win 11 of these games- even if you are very average....thats at least 11 wins right there

Conference schedule- 16 games- an average team can go 6-10 to 8-8...lets call it 7-9.....- we are now at 18 wins....

Now we enter the conference tourney- a 4 seed playing a lower seeded 5 from the other side- we win for our 19th win...then lose the next day

Thats 19 wins...playing a **** schedule, a losing record in conference, and a win over a lower seeded team in the conference tourney-

You havent done **** all year as a team- yet you won 19 games and finished 19-14....It just isnt that hard...</p>

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You're telling me he an AD would look stupid for replacing that? Not hardly</p>
 

BriantheDawg

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with his whole team returning the next season, and only 2 years removed from his last Tourney appearance, yes, I'd say you'd look stupid to replace him.
 

Coach34

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A) the NCAA committee selects the best teams from each conference to compete in the NCAA Tourney. The SEC usually gets 5-6

B) If we dont make it next year, that will make 4 of the last 5 years.

C) If we arent one of the top teams in the SEC for 4 of the last 5 seasons, its time for the coach to go.

It that simple
 

BriantheDawg

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which is a little worse than than say, 19-12, he'd be here until he died. Unfortunately, he had 3 straight seasons of 3 wins or less.

Good comparison though. /shaking head
 

Coach34

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not being one of the top teams in the SEC 4 of the last 5 years isnt grounds for firing?
 

BriantheDawg

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question that you never seem to be able to do.

Who are we going to go get that's going to be soooooo much better? I want a definite up-grade that's proven something in a major conference. Who's at the top of your list? Do tell.
 

MSUCostanza

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Jackass Sherrill was 8-27 his last 3 years. If Rick Stansbury threw up a .229 win pct, I'd be the first one wanting his *** fired yesterday. Hell, if he threw up 3 straight losing seasons, I'd want him fired immediately. However, the guy averages 20 wins a year and is always in the postseason. Coaches who win 20 games nearly every year don't grow on trees.

And Coach, I don't want to hear about how it's easier to make the postseason in basketball. In football, you can now win 2 out of 8 conference games and still possibly make a ****** bowl game. Well over half the teams in D-IA make postseason in football. Only about 30-ish% of the D-I teams in basketball make postseason. Ask Oregon if it's possible for a major conference team to suck ***. Hell, ask Arkansas.
 

Coach34

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BriantheDawg said:
question that you never seem to be able to do.

Who are we going to go get that's going to be soooooo much better? I want a definite up-grade that's proven something in a major conference. Who's at the top of your list? Do tell.

What major conference was Donovan owning before Florida? Bruce Pearl? Darrin Horn? Again, if Stansbury cant finish in the top of the SEC for 4 out of 5 years, then alot of people would be an upgrade. Finishing in the bottom half of your conference for 80% of the time in a 5 yr period isnt hard to replace