A Response to College Gameday Tweet

[121Josey]

I wonder which of the ESPN clowns sent out this tweet.

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Who do YOU want?
2013 Stats:
Laquon Treadwell: 72 rec, 608 yds, 5 TDs.
Amari Cooper: 45 rec, 736 yds, 4 TDs,


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Jameon Lewis: 64 rec, 923 yds, 5 TDs

Rushing:
Laquon Treadwell: 3 att, 2 yds, 0 TD
Amari Cooper: 1 att, 0 yds, 0 TD
Jameon Lewis: 13 att, 177 yds, 3 TD

Passing:
Laquon Treadwell: 1/4, 19 yds, 0 TD, 1 INT, 14.9 Rating
Amari Cooper: 0/0
Jameon Lewis: 3/3, 84 yds, 3 TD, 0 INT, 665.2 Rating

 

[JackShephard]

decent QB rating for lewis

I wonder which of the ESPN clowns sent out this tweet.

College GameDayVerified account ‏<s>@</s>CollegeGameDay


Who do YOU want?
2013 Stats:
Laquon Treadwell: 72 rec, 608 yds, 5 TDs.
Amari Cooper: 45 rec, 736 yds, 4 TDs,


*************
Jameon Lewis: 64 rec, 923 yds, 5 TDs

Rushing:
Laquon Treadwell: 3 att, 2 yds, 0 TD
Amari Cooper: 1 att, 0 yds, 0 TD
Jameon Lewis: 13 att, 177 yds, 3 TD

Passing:
Laquon Treadwell: 1/4, 19 yds, 0 TD, 1 INT, 14.9 Rating
Amari Cooper: 0/0
Jameon Lewis: 3/3, 84 yds, 3 TD, 0 INT, 665.2 Rating

NT

 

[msstate7]

He's so underrated. I hope he drops 1000 yards / 10 td season

 

[Drebin]

He's so underrated. I hope he drops 1000 yards / 10 td season

I'm not drinking the Lewis koolaid. He disappeared A LOT in tough SEC games during the season. He racked up huge yardage games against non conference lightweights and Rice. He's good and I'm glad he's a dawg, but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect his production to actually go down a bit this year as our running game and downfield passing game improves.

 

[121Josey]

I'm not drinking the Lewis koolaid. He disappeared A LOT in tough SEC games during the season. He racked up huge yardage games against non conference lightweights and Rice.

Which SEC games were those? And were you talking about the 55 yds against OSU, the 35 yds against Alcorn St, or the 34 yds against Bowling Green?

I don't know what kool-aid you're drinking, but it looks a little spiked.

 

[Drebin]

Which SEC games were those? And were you talking about the 55 yds against OSU, the 35 yds against Alcorn St, or the 34 yds against Bowling Green?

I don't know what kool-aid you're drinking, but it looks a little spiked.

SEC Games:

14 yards against A&M (two catches)
45 against Carolina (seven catches)
36 against Alabama (four catches, and also a horrific muffed punt in that game)
53 against Kentucky (seven)
62 against Auburn (three)
68 against Ole Miss (six)

For those scoring at home, that's 278 yards on 29 catches, for a sterling 9.6 YPC

He did have a big game against LSU and Arkansas, so I stand corrected there.

He also had a huge game against Troy (96 receiving yards, 173 all purpose yards), and another one against Rice (220 receiving yards, 267 all purpose yards).

I also hope he doesn't return punts this year. He finished four games with negative punt return yardage and averaged two yards per return for the season.

To sum, he had a big game against exactly one decent team (LSU), was rather pedestrian at best against other good teams, and had enormous games against bad teams (Rice, Troy, and Arkansas - these three games alone accounted for almost half of his total receiving yards). He must be more consistent in big games.

 

[Sutterkane]

SEC Games:

14 yards against A&M (two catches)
45 against Carolina (seven catches)
36 against Alabama (four catches, and also a horrific muffed punt in that game)
53 against Kentucky (seven)
62 against Auburn (three)
68 against Ole Miss (six)

For those scoring at home, that's 278 yards on 29 catches, for a sterling 9.6 YPC

He did have a big game against LSU and Arkansas, so I stand corrected there.

So you left out 2 big games he had in your "scoring at home" argument in order to plead your case? I'll also argue that Arkansas was probably better than Kentucky last year at least up until a certain point, but UK gets lumped into the SEC game category but Arkansas doesn't?

Keep in mind Jameon is our biggest speed threat on the field so they are going to look after him. We also have good outside receivers to where we don't have to throw it to him every down like we sorta had to do with bump...and in those 6 games you list he averaged almost 5 catches a game. That's hardly disappearing.

For what it's worth, I am still very nervous about him doing punt returns.

 

[dawgstudent]

If you are going to count SEC games - you have to count all SEC games.

111 yards (seven catches)

94 yards (six catches)

For Drebin scoring at home, that's now 483 yards on 42 catches for 11.5 YPC.

 

[Drebin]

If you are going to count SEC games - you have to count all SEC games.

111 yards (seven catches)

94 yards (six catches)

For Drebin scoring at home, that's now 483 yards on 42 catches for 11.5 YPC.

I didn't say he sucked. My point was that he was mediocre in many of the games last year, and that he needs to be more consistent. Three games accounted for close to half of his total receiving yardage last year. Don't you think we could've used some of that in some other games?

I know the wool is thick for this season. Some of it is warranted. Some of it is a little over the top.

 

[AFDawg]

I seem to remember the same dig against Bumphis going into his senior season.

 

[patdog]

To be fair, if you're going to show how Lewis disappeared at times, you should also pick out the 6 worst games for Treadwell and Cooper and see how those compare.

 

[rabiddawg]

Hell Jameon Lewis is the 3rd best QB in the SEC.

 

[Seinfeld]

I think the key to Lewis's consistency is going to have a lot to do with our other receivers becoming more consistent this year. If guys like Wilson and Ross can step up and take some coverage off of him, look out.

 

[msudawg12]

the biggest thing for lewis will be other WR's stepping up and being real threats. Lewis started to do incredibly well (bowl game etc) once bear and everyone else were doing their thing.

with an overall better WR core and a healthy Malcolm Johnson, Jameon should be freed up to do a lot more in the field.

 

[esplanade91]

I think the key to Lewis's consistency is going to have a lot to do with our other receivers becoming more consistent this year. If guys like Wilson and Ross can step up and take some coverage off of him, look out.

I think this too. I thought he had a pretty decent game against Ole Miss. He didn't hit the mythical 100-yard plateau, but you also have to account for us throwing a 3rd string true freshman QB out there.

But the receivers seemed to come out of no where for that game, and he got open. It only went up from there in the next game, with our QB.

I don't think Tubby is bad, I just don't think he has the skill set of guys like Treadwell or Cooper. The "they hate MSU and don't want to give us credit!" argument is gone now, so just try to see it as it is.

He's an above average college player who relies more so on his athletic ability and build of his body than he does on anything else. That allows him to rape secondaries of that same caliber, but he's going to be shut down against top end talent. He could have a great year though. But if he reaches 1,000 yards, don't be mad when he isn't taken in the first 5 rounds.

 

[Drebin]

To be fair, if you're going to show how Lewis disappeared at times, you should also pick out the 6 worst games for Treadwell and Cooper and see how those compare.

Really I was being generous by only picking out six. My initial premise that he got fat on OOC games was the wrong one when I went back and looked. But he truly only had four big games - Arkansas, LSU, Troy, and Rice, and was pretty pedestrian in the remaining nine. And this was on a pretty high number of touches - he had quite a few 4+ reception games.

Jameon is our all purpose guy, and when you start adding the all purpose numbers up, they start to get more impressive. My knock against him since he came here is that just about every time he touches the ball, he jukes and dances and ends up gaining minimal yardage as a result instead of getting upfield. This is especially apparent when he catches bubble screens and returns punts. To be a home run threat, you have to hit home runs, and he didn't do a lot of that last year. He's just been inconsistent. I know that a lot of that is not his fault, too...playcalling and who is at QB has something to do with it too. But I just see people making comments like he's the best slot guy in the SEC, and I just don't see it. Maybe more consistent play on the outside, plus a full year of Dak as a running threat, will open things up for him more than last year. Or maybe he gets fewer touches because of those things. Personally, I'm just a lot more bullish on Dak, JRob, and Wilson in our offense at this point.

 

[Drebin]

He's an above average college player who relies more so on his athletic ability and build of his body than he does on anything else. That allows him to rape secondaries of that same caliber, but he's going to be shut down against top end talent. He could have a great year though. But if he reaches 1,000 yards, don't be mad when he isn't taken in the first 5 rounds.

I think this is well-articulated.

 

[dawgstudent]

Looking at Treadwell's stats...

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/cfb/players.asp?id=229984

His best game was his first one.

His worst 6 SEC games

@ Alabama 4/51
@ Auburn 4/45
LSU 7/43
Ark 8/39
Mizzou 5/23
MSU 9/57

Total - 37 catches for 258 yds. That's 6.97 ypc.

Even if you do all SEC games

Vandy - 9/82
A&M - 8/77

Total - 54 catches for 417 yds. That's 7.72 ypc.

 

[Drebin]

Looking at Treadwell's stats...

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/cfb/players.asp?id=229984

His best game was his first one.

His worst 6 SEC games

@ Alabama 4/51
@ Auburn 4/45
LSU 7/43
Ark 8/39
Mizzou 5/23
MSU 9/57

Total - 37 catches for 258 yds. That's 6.97 ypc.

Even if you do all SEC games

Vandy - 9/82
A&M - 8/77

Total - 54 catches for 417 yds. That's 7.72 ypc.

I didn't compare Lewis to Treadwell, nor did I say Treadwell was better. Clearly, Treadwell struggled in their offense last year, and if I were a Rebel, I'd be pissed about it because they were playing him in the wrong place. They should've had Moncrief in the slot (quicker, more athletic), and played Treadwell wide (bigger, stronger, better ball skills). I'd also be interested in knowing how many of his receptions were on bubble screens...from the Bama game on, I don't think Treadwell did anything on that play, but they kept going to it over and over. In our offense, we occasionally threw that screen out to Lewis, but we also ran a lot of hitches and curls to him in open spaces, which is why his YPC number is a little disappointing to me.

 

[patdog]

Moncrief has better speed than Treadwell and was also a proven big-time receiver. That's why he got the outside position. I bet at least 3/4 of Treadwell's catches were bubble screens because that's about all Wallace could throw. He had success with it in the Vandy game, but once people realized that was all he was going to catch, they adjusted and shut it down.

 

[Drebin]

Moncrief has better speed than Treadwell and was also a proven big-time receiver. That's why he got the outside position. I bet at least 3/4 of Treadwell's catches were bubble screens because that's about all Wallace could throw. He had success with it in the Vandy game, but once people realized that was all he was going to catch, they adjusted and shut it down.

I agree about Moncrief's big-play ability. But I do think he would've broken more of those bubble screens than Treadwell, and Treadwell probably would've caught more of those fluttering jump balls that Wallace threw downfield. Just my opinion though. I'm glad they played the guys where they did. They were terribly one dimensional on offense as a result.

 

[121Josey]

My knock against him since he came here is that just about every time he touches the ball, he jukes and dances and ends up gaining minimal yardage as a result instead of getting upfield. This is especially apparent when he catches bubble screens and returns punts. To be a home run threat, you have to hit home runs, and he didn't do a lot of that last year. He's just been inconsistent.

I invite you to watch this tour de force from SlickDawg. Watch Lewis even on the plays when he doesn't have the ball. This is just a sample from the Lewis' work last year. If you stand by these comments, I just can't help you.

 

[AHSDawg]

If that was your beef with JL, you must have hated Perk.... He was the world's worst about juking and dancing. I liked him but he ALWAYS tried to bounce it outside rather than just taking it up and getting what he could get.

 

[kired]

For Drebin scoring at home, that's now 483 yards on 42 catches for 11.5 YPC.

For some more perspective --- that's about 25% more production (receptions and yards) in 8 SEC games than anyone else on our roster had in 13 total games. We really need more production from Johnson & Johnson and Wilson.