A soul cleansing basketball post (rant)....

DowntownDawg

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....I have basically been fairly quiet since the December derailment. I've watched them most of the time, but I was less emotionally attached because we all knew it was over before it began.

  • I read one of Marcello's blog entries the other day that said something like "Bulldogs need wins to get to the NIT." And it hit me all over again how horrible this team has been this year and what kind of job Rick has done. The whole thing has been massive underachievement from the day that we lost to the heels at home last year. Everything about the offseason was a failure. Everything about the season was a failure, save one win on Rocky Top for Jack's last game. We're on the NIT bubble, folks. The NIT bubble. Let that sink in. It happens every year, but we start out so badly that when we show a little bit of improvement and hustle down the stretch, people want to start giving Rick credit. Well, he dug the freaking hole. Every year, the hole gets deeper and more impossible to dig out of.
  • On a related note, it's funny how the cycle usually goes. We usually finish the season strong. Depending on our circumstances, the finish is enough to appease some people. Last year it was making a run to Sunday and getting screwed out of an NCAA bid. Whatever it is, Rick always kinds of finds a way to leave a good enough taste in people's mouth before the offseason storm hits and uses up most of his favorability rating.. I don't know about the rest of you, but 17 wins and a game one flame out in the SEC tourney is nothing at all to be proud of. Another horrid offseason might do him in.
  • I kept quiet because I didn't want to be Debbie Downer, but this team had no chance to win the SEC tournament. We were the sexy pick because of the last two years, but those two teams had a couple of things that this team doesn't have: 1) Guts and 2) Defensive effort. The majority of that came from Varnado and Stewart. Bost is the only player that seems to understand what it takes. Sidney, despite his obvious talent, is a million miles away from that. A million miles. And I very seriously doubt that he will ever have it. The fatness and laziness is a symptom.
  • I am convinced that Rick got a little lazy around the time he recruited and evaluated the three senior starters. Last year, it felt like we were undermanned somewhat, but scrappy with Varnado and Stewart out there. But they were gutsy players and gave it everything they had. This year, probably due to Sidney's presence, it feels like we are wasting a ton of talent.
  • Kodi Augustus - Had the build and athleticism to come in and be a Brandon Vincent type player that played defense and rebounded. Instead, he wanted his whole career to shoot thee pointers, made more bone head plays over 4 years than any player since the Feces, and in general wasted his career. He played well in his last 5 or 6 games. So the guy is eligible to play 120+ games over the course of a career and he finally shows up in his last 5 or 6? That reflects extremely poorly on the player AND the coach. And yet, everybody is patting themselves on the back for it. That's another Rick staple. Highly hyped player does nothing his whole career, and shows up for half a season and everybody wants to say "great job with that kid." He should've been playing that way his whole career.
  • Ravern Johnson - The defining moment in his career was missing the crucial Kentucky game last year. By playing and getting close to his average, we are a NCAA tourney team as an at large and Rick's seat is considerably cooler. So, thanks, Ray. Same goes for you as Kodi. Way to try for 3 weeks out of 4 years.
  • Riley Benock - I always wanted to try to like him. I wanted him to be the Jimmy Chitwood of the team. The lunch pail guy who hustles and plays good defense and can shoot lights out. He was never any of those things. My memories of Riley will be of him turning it over against KY last year in that game. Taking big, wide open shots at the end of crucial games and never hitting one, and giving up a 4 point play last night. He's supposed to be the heady player who doesn't make mistakes. He's kind of like Tyson Lee. You can't really blame the kid who doesn't have the ability. But hell. At least make a good decision. Knock down a big shot every once in a while. Don't turn the ball over. And don't foul a 3 point shooter in a tight game.
  • Anthony Grant took a year and a half to turn around a program that had been dismal for several years. That's not very long. Partially, he was able to do it because there was little to no resistance in his own division. The West is full of chump coaches, except for Grant. The next thing you are going to see is Arkansas dump Pelphrey and get some new life. They are due for a good hire and they've paid their dues with Heath and Pelphrey. Then, we'll be third in the division consistently. We should be fine there as long as LSU doesn't decide they want to play basketball. And plenty of people will be fine with being 3rd.
  • As the criteria for making the tournament and getting seeding eases further and further away from favoring the big conferences, we are going to have a harder and harder time with Rick at the helm.
  • We are wasting a lot of talent and a huge opportunity to build a program in a down division in a down league. The door is wide open for us to surge ahead and we are staring at that open door, blinking at it.
  • Anybody who gives a crap about the NIT just doesn't get collegiate athletics. The NIT is like going 5-7 or 4-8 in SEC football. It is failure, plain and simple, and the only time it's not failure is if you were expected to be really bad and ended up barely missing the big dance. For us this year, and last year, it is pure and unadulterated underachievement and there is nothing redeeming about it.
  • It's time, Rick.
 

DowntownDawg

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....I have basically been fairly quiet since the December derailment. I've watched them most of the time, but I was less emotionally attached because we all knew it was over before it began.

  • I read one of Marcello's blog entries the other day that said something like "Bulldogs need wins to get to the NIT." And it hit me all over again how horrible this team has been this year and what kind of job Rick has done. The whole thing has been massive underachievement from the day that we lost to the heels at home last year. Everything about the offseason was a failure. Everything about the season was a failure, save one win on Rocky Top for Jack's last game. We're on the NIT bubble, folks. The NIT bubble. Let that sink in. It happens every year, but we start out so badly that when we show a little bit of improvement and hustle down the stretch, people want to start giving Rick credit. Well, he dug the freaking hole. Every year, the hole gets deeper and more impossible to dig out of.
  • On a related note, it's funny how the cycle usually goes. We usually finish the season strong. Depending on our circumstances, the finish is enough to appease some people. Last year it was making a run to Sunday and getting screwed out of an NCAA bid. Whatever it is, Rick always kinds of finds a way to leave a good enough taste in people's mouth before the offseason storm hits and uses up most of his favorability rating.. I don't know about the rest of you, but 17 wins and a game one flame out in the SEC tourney is nothing at all to be proud of. Another horrid offseason might do him in.
  • I kept quiet because I didn't want to be Debbie Downer, but this team had no chance to win the SEC tournament. We were the sexy pick because of the last two years, but those two teams had a couple of things that this team doesn't have: 1) Guts and 2) Defensive effort. The majority of that came from Varnado and Stewart. Bost is the only player that seems to understand what it takes. Sidney, despite his obvious talent, is a million miles away from that. A million miles. And I very seriously doubt that he will ever have it. The fatness and laziness is a symptom.
  • I am convinced that Rick got a little lazy around the time he recruited and evaluated the three senior starters. Last year, it felt like we were undermanned somewhat, but scrappy with Varnado and Stewart out there. But they were gutsy players and gave it everything they had. This year, probably due to Sidney's presence, it feels like we are wasting a ton of talent.
  • Kodi Augustus - Had the build and athleticism to come in and be a Brandon Vincent type player that played defense and rebounded. Instead, he wanted his whole career to shoot thee pointers, made more bone head plays over 4 years than any player since the Feces, and in general wasted his career. He played well in his last 5 or 6 games. So the guy is eligible to play 120+ games over the course of a career and he finally shows up in his last 5 or 6? That reflects extremely poorly on the player AND the coach. And yet, everybody is patting themselves on the back for it. That's another Rick staple. Highly hyped player does nothing his whole career, and shows up for half a season and everybody wants to say "great job with that kid." He should've been playing that way his whole career.
  • Ravern Johnson - The defining moment in his career was missing the crucial Kentucky game last year. By playing and getting close to his average, we are a NCAA tourney team as an at large and Rick's seat is considerably cooler. So, thanks, Ray. Same goes for you as Kodi. Way to try for 3 weeks out of 4 years.
  • Riley Benock - I always wanted to try to like him. I wanted him to be the Jimmy Chitwood of the team. The lunch pail guy who hustles and plays good defense and can shoot lights out. He was never any of those things. My memories of Riley will be of him turning it over against KY last year in that game. Taking big, wide open shots at the end of crucial games and never hitting one, and giving up a 4 point play last night. He's supposed to be the heady player who doesn't make mistakes. He's kind of like Tyson Lee. You can't really blame the kid who doesn't have the ability. But hell. At least make a good decision. Knock down a big shot every once in a while. Don't turn the ball over. And don't foul a 3 point shooter in a tight game.
  • Anthony Grant took a year and a half to turn around a program that had been dismal for several years. That's not very long. Partially, he was able to do it because there was little to no resistance in his own division. The West is full of chump coaches, except for Grant. The next thing you are going to see is Arkansas dump Pelphrey and get some new life. They are due for a good hire and they've paid their dues with Heath and Pelphrey. Then, we'll be third in the division consistently. We should be fine there as long as LSU doesn't decide they want to play basketball. And plenty of people will be fine with being 3rd.
  • As the criteria for making the tournament and getting seeding eases further and further away from favoring the big conferences, we are going to have a harder and harder time with Rick at the helm.
  • We are wasting a lot of talent and a huge opportunity to build a program in a down division in a down league. The door is wide open for us to surge ahead and we are staring at that open door, blinking at it.
  • Anybody who gives a crap about the NIT just doesn't get collegiate athletics. The NIT is like going 5-7 or 4-8 in SEC football. It is failure, plain and simple, and the only time it's not failure is if you were expected to be really bad and ended up barely missing the big dance. For us this year, and last year, it is pure and unadulterated underachievement and there is nothing redeeming about it.
  • It's time, Rick.
 

DawgatAuburn

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I'm sure most of us could write something similar. Our current situation is sad.
 

DowntownDawg

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...and I keep thinking what a new coach could step in next year and do with this program if he had any ability at all. He'd walk into a brand new practice facility, one of the more talent lineups in the country, and a strong recruiting class coming in. With any kind of coach, that's a tourney team with a decent seed. Get lucky and find a really good one, and that could be a deep tourney team.

As it is, I think I'll predict juuussstttt being on the wrong side of the big boy bubble next year.

And the career of one of the best players we've ever had, Dee Bost, will be pretty much totally wasted.

Very sad.
 

Coach34

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even though it is definitely "time"- we will get the Rick Stansbury Farewell Tour in 2012.
 

Columbus Dawg

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The question is how much blame falls on Rick and how much blame falls on the players?

1) Bost missing the deadline basically cost us a bid. He missed the entire non-conference slate and then we had to start over and integrate him into the lineup during SEC play. That's not easy to do. It also effects your entire offseason when your leader knows he can't play the first 15 games.What was the communication like between Bost and Stans during this time period? How were our coaches not able to convince him to at least stay academically eligible while he gauged NBA interest? And how in the world could he miss the deadline by a couple of hours costing himself and our team15 games?

2) What is the state of our off-season conditioning program and how do you explain Sidney's lack of participation in it? He was on campus for 18 months before his first game and he was in horrible shape through most of the season. Where is the accountability? It has to be at least 30% on Rick. Do you think Mullen would allow Relf to start fall practice in such poor condition?

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Frances Drebin

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2) What is the state of our off-season conditioning program and how do you explain Sidney's lack of participation in it? He was on campus for 18 months before his first game and he was in horrible shape through most of the season. Where is the accountability? It has to be at least 30% on Rick. Do you think Mullen would allow Relf to start fall practice in such poor condition?
In my opinion, this is 100% on Rick. You have to lay out the off season conditioning program, and you have to hold the player accountable. And if the player shows up in October out of shape, you make him do extra conditioning to get him in shape. It should be the ultimate point of embarrassment for any coach anywhere to have players not in shape. By the way, Sidney wasn't the only one; he was just the more visible one. Our overall conditioning had a lot to do with how poorly we played defense. Augustus is a great example of a guy who got blown up a lot and ended up playing lazy defense.

Overall, Sidney does a lot more harm than good to this program. He sets a bad example for the team because he's allowed to do what he wants. It's clear that he doesn't work hard, it's clear that he doesn't eat right, and it's clear that he does no conditioning. It's so frustrating to watch him in the game just standing on the block, not making an effort to post up or anything. What a lazy piece of crap. He showed his raw talent at times last night, but I like Lewis betterbecause he puts forth a lot more consistent effort. Rick may have to play Sidneyfor reasons we don't need to go into, but it's still on Rick that he's in the shape he's in and he does whatever the hell he wants.
 

Columbus Dawg

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if Bost and Sidney return. There is just no way we are missing the NCAAT with a lineup of Bost, Bryant, Hood, Moultrie, and Sidney for a full year. There are 4 future pros in that starting 5.

The thing about Stans that makes it such an ongoing debate is we all know his flaws, but the Top 3 things a college coach has to be able to do is 1) recruit 2) recruit and 3) recruit. Everything else comes after that. If we hire a new coach will he be able to get a kid from Concord, NC to come to MSU. Even though he didn't work out, will he be able to get a kid from NYC to come to Starkville. Will he be able to find and lock someone up like Jarvis Varnado before he blows up and get national attention?

And I know all the arguements against him. No need to rehash them. But it's a big risk.
 

Coach34

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"if Bost and Sidney return. There is just no way we are missing the NCAAT with a lineup of Bost, Bryant, Hood, Moultrie, and Sidney for a full year. There are 4 future pros in that starting 5."

1. offseason drama- when was the last time we didnt have any? Something is going to happen before October

2. Improved OOC schedule- Stands never has us ready to play in November or Dec, and we are beefing up the OOC apparently. We will have at least a couple of bad losses because of Moultrie's rust and the Freshmens getting acclimated to college ball.

3. Improved SEC- especially the SEC West- every team in the West has at least 3 starters returning except us. I'd take Releford, Mitchell, and Green over Bost, Sidney, and Moultrie. Pelphrey finally has UPig stable with talent returning and a top 5 class coming in, and now they are probably going to replace him with a better coach. That wont make beating them any easier. LSU has everybody back, plus O'Bryant coming in and a 6'11 transfer from Iowa St....

We are going to be a bubble team once again needing to win at least 2 in the SEC Tourney to get in.
 

BriantheDawg

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I read one of Marcello's blog entries the other day that said something
like "Bulldogs need wins to get to the NIT." And it hit me all over
again how horrible this team has been this year and what kind of job
Rick has done. The whole thing has been massive underachievement from
the day that we lost to the heels at home last year. Everything about
the offseason was a failure. Everything about the season was a failure,
save one win on Rocky Top for Jack's last game. We're on the NIT
bubble, folks. The NIT bubble. Let that sink in. It happens every
year, but we start out so badly that when we show a little bit of
improvement and hustle down the stretch, people want to start giving
Rick credit. <span style="font-weight: bold;">Well, he dug the freaking hole.</span> Every year, the hole gets
deeper and more impossible to dig out of.
Yeah, that hole had nothing to do with the horse crap suspension the NCAA levied against Renardo that carried over into this season, coupled with Dee Bost's brilliant move of staying in the Draft last year, garnering him a 9 game suspension as well. All the coach's fault.

We are wasting a lot of talent and a huge opportunity to build a program
in a down division in a down league. The door is wide open for us to
surge ahead and we are staring at that open door, blinking at it.
This is one argument that simply holds no water. The 'down division', 'down league' does nothing but HURT us. I would be willing to bet we'd still be winning very close to the same amount of games we are right now, if the league was still 'strong'. And if the league was still strong, we'd be getting that automatic bid so many of you cherish. It's also harder for us to recruit to a league and a division that isn't one of the best in the country - not only players, but coaches alike. But hey, maybe we can go get that brilliant x's and o's coach that you want, because I'm sure that will make up for the talent Stans brings in. Also of note - our '****** division' is filled with coaches that many of you thought were going to be the next best thing. Funny how none of them have panned out.

As the criteria for making the tournament and getting seeding eases
further and further away from favoring the big conferences, we are going
to have a harder and harder time with Rick at the helm.
/Shaking my head. What a dumb statement. Shouldn't expect anything less from you though. So, all we have to do is go hire another coach and it will be an easier road to the Tournament. Got it.

Anthony Grant took a year and a half to turn around a program that had
been dismal for several years. That's not very long. Partially, he was
able to do it because there was little to no resistance in his own
division. The West is full of chump coaches, except for Grant. The
next thing you are going to see is Arkansas dump Pelphrey and get some
new life. They are due for a good hire and they've paid their dues with
Heath and Pelphrey. Then, we'll be third in the division
consistently. We should be fine there as long as LSU doesn't decide
they want to play basketball. And plenty of people will be fine with
being 3rd.
Alabama? Dismal for years?? While the last 2 years weren't the greatest under him, they went to the NCAA tournament 5 years in a row under Gottried. They are also the 2nd winningest program in the SEC and have the 2nd most titles. Where do we rank on that list? Oh, and if Mark Fox wasn't such a village idiot, Alabama would be 0-2 under Grant in the NCAA tourney appearance category. What a brilliant coach he is.

Ravern Johnson - The defining moment in his career was missing the
crucial Kentucky game last year. By playing and getting close to his
average, we are a NCAA tourney team as an at large and Rick's seat is
considerably cooler. So, thanks, Ray. Same goes for you as Kodi. Way
to try for 3 weeks out of 4 years.
You and I both know that the SEC refs were not going to let us beat UK, either game last year. Somehow Jarvis picks up 3 fouls in the 1st minute of the 2nd half, giving him 4 for the game, yet Demarcus Cousings goes the entire game without picking up 3. The 2nd worst officiated game last year, behind the SECCG. We win either of those 2 games (which we did), we are in the Tourney. That's 3 in a row.

Kodi Augustus - Had the build and athleticism to come in and be a
Brandon Vincent type player that played defense and rebounded. Instead,
he wanted his whole career to shoot thee pointers, made more bone head
plays over 4 years than any player since the Feces, and in general
wasted his career. He played well in his last 5 or 6 games. So the guy
is eligible to play 120+ games over the course of a career and he
finally shows up in his last 5 or 6? That reflects extremely poorly on
the player AND the coach. And yet, everybody is patting themselves on
the back for it. That's another Rick staple. Highly hyped player does
nothing his whole career, and shows up for half a season and everybody
wants to say "great job with that kid." He should've been playing that
way his whole career.
Dude, Kodi played well for us pretty much the entire season this year. He was about the only constant we had all year long. Sometimes it just takes a couple of years for players to get it, a la Charles Rhodes, but I don't see how anybody could have a beef with Kodi this year.

I am convinced that Rick got a little lazy around the time he recruited
and evaluated the three senior starters. Last year, it felt like we
were undermanned somewhat, but scrappy with Varnado and Stewart out
there. But they were gutsy players and gave it everything they had.
This year, probably due to Sidney's presence, it feels like we are
wasting a ton of talent.
I am convinced that some of you think our players are WAY better than they really are. Some of y'all act like we're the '96 Bulls.

I kept quiet because I didn't want to be Debbie Downer, but this team
had no chance to win the SEC tournament. We were the sexy pick because
of the last two years, but those two teams had a couple of things that
this team doesn't have: 1) Guts and 2) Defensive effort. The majority
of that came from Varnado and Stewart. Bost is the only player that
seems to understand what it takes. Sidney, despite his obvious talent,
is a million miles away from that. A million miles. And I very
seriously doubt that he will ever have it. The fatness and laziness is a
symptom.
Yes. Yes, they most certainly had a chance to win the SECT. Vandy simply did not miss last night. Jenkins and Taylor were unstoppable. Vandy played their best game of the season last night, and they won. It's nobody's fault we lost the game last night, Vandy was simply not going to be denied. Every time we'd get the momentum, Vandy would steal it right back. With the way we've been playing the last few games, I have no doubt we could have won today and Sunday as well. It just wasn't meant to be.

On a related note, it's funny how the cycle usually goes. We usually
finish the season strong. Depending on our circumstances, the finish is
enough to appease some people. Last year it was making a run to Sunday
and getting screwed out of an NCAA bid. Whatever it is, Rick always
kinds of finds a way to leave a good enough taste in people's mouth
before the offseason storm hits and uses up most of his favorability
rating.. I don't know about the rest of you, but 17 wins and a game one
flame out in the SEC tourney is nothing at all to be proud of. Another
horrid offseason might do him in.
I would LOVE for you to find me ONE person who is proud of this season. Just one. Rick isn't going anywhere after this season, unless the decision is his. Sorry, but it just ain't happening as much as some of you would like. Next season's team will more than likely determine the course of our program for the forseeable future. I, for one, think we'll be Tourney bound again, much to all of y'all's dismay. If not, I could understand Stricklin moving in another direction. But, to your first point, aren't teams supposed to get better as the season goes on? It's funny that Stans is such a ****** coach, yet his teams generally improve throughout the year.
 

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I will go ahead and say this: I fully expect the recruiter to be back for one last season next year. Financial constraints are the biggest reason for that. It doesn't make it right, but that is what I expect. I am 100% of the opinion that we would be better off dumping Stans now. Even if Stans finds a way to limp in to the Big Dance as an 8th or 9th seed next year, odds are a real coach could get in as a 5th or 6th seed. Player development does not occur under Stans. It is downright painful to watch these jackwagons attempt to play the game. The SEC West is weak, weak, weak. A real coach could come in and make hay quickly. Let him develop the talent Rick will have on hand next year and have some success that should equate to decent recruiting. Stans has lost his team, and he has lost many fans. I just can't give two ***** for the program anymore. Wake me up when we become serious about hoops. I wish like heck it would be now, but I expect more of this same bonehead, underachievement for another year. Yawn...
 

Columbus Dawg

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is designed to help us make the NCAAT. Don'tspin that in a negative way. We only have one freshmen that we are really counting on to make an immediate impact and he will be surrounded by veteran players. Moutrie sat out a year, but he has played 2 years of college ball and is in shape. This is a Shane Power situation not a Renardo situation. Pelphrey finally has UPig stable? He may not even be their coach next year. And don't use their freshmen as a reason why they will be better and us Hood as a reason why we will struggle.

Assuming there are no offseason issues (big assumption) the chance are much greater that we make a field of 68 than not. And you can't fire a coach that just took u to the big dance.
 

MedDawg

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Good post. My answer on another board to a "crap shoot" post:

<font class="PostDisplay"><blockquote class="q1"><font class="PostItalic">quote:</font>
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think its a crap shoot, for ever Anthony Grant at Bama there are 3
coaches who suck (Johnson at LSU, Horn at USCe, and Pelphrey at Arky)
_________________________________________________[/quote]

That's
what kept me pro-Stans until this year. Add in Stan Heath, Lebo, Dave
Odom, Billy Gillispie, Jim Harrick, Dennis Felton, and others, and
there a lot of schools with bigger budgets than State that haven't been
able to find a better coach than Stans. Georgia might have with Fox,
but he hasn't proven it yet, and it still took them 10 years and three
coaches to find one.

However, I still think that we should try.
Stans hasn't had but one legitimate NCAA team in 6 years. We had
obvious NCAA talent in 2010 and five starters returning, and still lost
too many early games to worse OOC teams, and missed out on the NCAA's
again.

THIS season was his "let's give him one more year"
year, and he's not even going to make the NIT. Even without Sidney and
Bost, we should have beaten those very weak OOC teams that we lost to.

Some say Stans is a bad "floor coach" because of decisions he
makes during the game. I don't agree with that, but more importantly,
his whole offseason, practice, and gameplan approach is lacking. He's
not making his players workout enough, and he doesn't have a good enough
offensive plan.

I think we'll be a lot better and make the
NCAA's next year, and PROBABLY win the West (yes, I think so), but we
should be a ranked or even an obvious Sweet Sixteen team with our
talent.

Either Stans needs to go or he needs to get some new
assistants and let them run portions of the program. A coach who is
known to have better gameplans and who will push his players year round
will take those players farther than Stans and the current staff.
Winning with Stans' recruits will help a new staff recruit well.</font>
 

DowntownDawg

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....the hole that we dug. We knew at the end of last season what the situation would be with Sidney. He'd miss the first 9 games. So what does Rick do?
  • Let's veteran Phil Turner go. Basically does not communicate with the kid. Won't pick the phone up and call him. Phil, if you recall, was probably our best defender at guard (other than Stewart) over the past several years. Phil could play the 4 at his size and get rebounds and do the little things for the team. Rick decided that he didn't need Phil.
  • Has an opportunity to go out and hire a basketball coach with some experience and ability to coach things from a technical perspective. Instead, he goes and gets another yes man.
  • Inexplicably, he lets Sidney come in fat and out of shape. The date was known that Sidney would be on the court for a year. Yet he was a disaster. Not ready. Mentally or physically.
  • Osby transfers. Knowing that Sidney would have to sit out, Rick's poor program management bites us again. Osby leaves the team. Either Osby or Phil ( and maybe both) would've been a starter in light of the Sidney and Bost situation. Osby was another very solid defender.
  • Basically does not communicate with Bost about the deadline. Maybe Bost wasn't hearing it. Maybe Bost wouldn't answer the phone. It doesn't matter. As a coach, you do what it takes to get through to the guy.
  • The ridiculous scheduling. Which backfired.
I think that Rick was pretty drained and I know that he was just about to go to Clemson. Maybe why he was so lackadaisical in the offseason. Again, this is why it's time for him to leave. In any case, aside from the scheduling and the poor coaching hire he made, you can blame the player in each case above. Or, you can look at the CONSISTENT PATTERN over the years that Rick has been here and realize the common denominator. I understand people putting their head in the sand on Ervin, or even the Delks. At this point, though, after this many years of the same old crap, you are just being an idiot if you can't see how this man's atrocious program management is destroying our basketball program, despite his best efforts in recruiting and coaching.

Oh, and by the way, we finished LAST in the league in scoring defense. LAST. Think about that. We used to defend and rebound. That's what we did if nothing else. This season we're last in scoring defense and 9th in rebounding margin. We didn't need Phil or Osby though did we, Brian. We couldn't stop anybody. Maybe that had to do with our two best returning defenders leaving the program.
 

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Basically does not communicate with Bost about the deadline. Maybe Bost wasn't hearing it. Maybe Bost wouldn't answer the phone. It doesn't matter. As a coach, you do what it takes to get through to the guy.
You can't pin that one on Stans. If someone just refuses to listen there's not much you can do. Do you honestly think that Stans kept the deadline a secret from Bost?
 

Coach34

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"The OOC schedile is designed to help us make the NCAAT. Don'tspin that in a negative way"

I think it's great. Not spinning anything negatively. But you know just like I do how ready his teams are to play early in the season.

"Pelphrey finally has UPig stable? He may not even be their coach next year. And don't use their freshmen as a reason why they will be better and us Hood as a reason why we will struggle."

it's more stable than it has been. They arent replacing 5 starters, its unlikely half the team will be accused of sexual assault, and their PG doesnt appear to be a heavy drug user- the things they have had to deal with the last couple of years. They return 3 solid starters, some bench, and a dynamite recruiting class is on its way for an 18 win team in 2011. There is a reason their class is ranked 9 spots higher than ours. What they are bringing in is better than what they are replacing.

I feel like our Freshmen will be able to contribute and be solid players. But Kodi was 2nd in the SEC in double-doubles. We damn sure wont shoot the 3-ball as well next season-losing Rayvern will hurt on offense. Benock played pretty good D. There is no guarantee what we replace the 3 starters with will be better NEXT SEASON. Obviously Hood may be better at the end than Rayvern, but to expect him to produce as a true freshman what Rayvern did as a senior is unrealistic
 

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If we had lost games 65 to 60 or something like that I would understand. Stansbury is not an offense mind, and that's expected from us sometimes. But he preaches year in and year out about defense and rebounding, and we were last in scoring defense, and I think we were next to last in rebounding margin. We gave up 84 points at home to LSU.That's unacceptable. If you can't do one thing consistently well it's hard to win. We couldn't score consistently this year, and we consistently rebounded/defended poorly.
 

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I realize this is a soul cleansing rant. You have put into words many of the same thoughts thatI have had. I truly hope you feel better. However Stans isn't going anywhere, unless by some freak accident he and Meo and the kids just decide they've had enough and ride happily off into the sunset. I'm not getting my hopes up over this. So instead of bitching about the past maybe we could offer some constructive thoughts on what needs to change. Here's to you Rick Stansbury.

1. Conditioning - Let's have some. Get these guy off their asses this off season and get them into the weight room. I'd love for Baylis to get his hands on this group. Strength and stamina could make talented player world beaters. Get to it gentlemen.

2. Discipline - No favoritism. Everybody, regardless of how important they may be, should be treated the same. If anybody gets into any kind of off season B.S. put your foot up their ***, even if it means kicking them off the team.

3. Practice fundamentals - Quit wasting your time on pick up games and practicing your street cred. Practice some basic ****, like dribbling so the ball doesn't go off you foot, passing, get rid of the ball quickly and crisply, free throws dammit, practice some basic defense while your at it, like how to block a shot without fouling. Amateures practice these thing until they get them right, pros practice thme until they can't get them wrong. Decide which you want to be.

4. Self motivation - The coaches can't be with you 24/7. Some of these things you'll have to be self motivated to do. Get some. You think Kobi, Lebron and Carmello sit on their *** all off season? If you you want to play with the big boys get motivated. Otherwise get ready for an outstanding career in Euro ball.

I've just hit on a few points here good folks and I'm sure you can add many more. Feel free to do so. Stans isn't leaving. I'm probably pissing into the breeze hoping he'll evenlisten to any of our good advice. I don't hate the man but he does need to make some changes to his coaching philosophy.

Opportunity is here Stans, and she's willing. Will you make your move or just be content to jerk off?

Rant on fellow Dawgs.



^^^^^OPPORTUNITY^^^^^
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DowntownDawg

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....and while it certainly appears that Bost was not listening, again, as a head coach, you have to do what it takes.

</p>
Kirby initiated 19 phone calls to Bost between April 27 and May 8.
Six of the calls were longer than 2 minutes. Bost attempted to reach
Kirby via phone five times, but MSU believes some of those calls could
have been dropped and redialed attempts. Three of the calls were on May 8
before and after Bost’s meeting with Kirby and Stansbury in Las Vegas.</p><p style="font-weight: bold;">Stansbury never called Bost, according to the documents.</p>

</p>So the head coach can't call his star player? Again, evidence of some kind of spat.
Bost, who says he “<span style="font-weight: bold;">lost communication</span>” with the MSU coaching staff, met with coach Rick Stansbury and then-assistant coach Robert Kirby at a restaurant in Las Vegas the morning of the draft deadline, according to documents.
What is Rick doing making comments to NBA officials about Bost? That
little tidbit right there gives great insight into the relationship the
players have with him. It looks like it got back to Bost that Stansbury
had not spoken well of him, and he shut the coaches out.

<p style="text-align: left;"></p>
<div></div><p style="text-align: center;">The meeting took place to “<span style="font-weight: bold;">clear the air about some alleged comments
made by Coach Stansbury to NBA officials</span> about Bost and for Stansbury to
relay information he had received from Stu Jackson of the NBA.”</p>
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So to answer your question, no, I don't think Stans kept it a secret. I think Stans is not respected by his players and I think that is the way it has been and will always be. That is on Stans. And if he made some negative comments to NBA officials about Bost (which he shouldn't do in the first place), he needs to be a man about it and apologize to Bost and do what it takes to get him back in the fold. Instead, he gets Kirby to try to call him and never once tries to get up with him until the day of the deadline. The whole episode reads like an internal spat which is not at all surprising. So yes, I think you can fairly pin plenty of the blame on Stansbury for this.

http://blogs.clarionledger.com/msu/2010/10/12/documents-shed-more-light-on-bosts-spring-waiver-request/
 

DowntownDawg

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...and I agree with you on the issue of coaching ability.

I have always thought that what Rick brings to the table on the recruiting front cancels out his lack of ability on the floor. That showed up in the NCAA tournament. Of course, we haven't had to worry about that for a while now.

But all he has to do is to get his teams to defend and rebound, which he used to do. And the talent on this team would've taken care of itself.

We've had some teams that were fairly poor offensively, but they played great defense and got rebounds and we were very solid.

He's gotten way away from that and I think that's a sign of burnout.
 

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DowntownDawg said:
I think Stans is not respected by his players and I think that is the way it has been and will always be. That is on Stans.
 

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that for me, the writing was on the wall in the first two weeks of last season. Everybody back, and we lay massive eggs in two nonconference games and Kodi went on his little ***** *** rant.

The underachievement started long before this season.
 
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Long post full of ******** and excuses

1. It is the coaches' job to bring in players.
2. It is the coaches' job to gain and maintain respect from his players.
3. It is the coaches' job to teach his players how to play the game.
4. It is the coaches' job to demand that his players play hard.
5. It is the coaches' job to ensure that his players follow the off-season conditioning program.
6. It is the coaches' job to ensure that his players do not embarrass the team and the University.
7. It is the coaches' job to hold his players accountable for their actions, both on and off the court.
8. It is the coaches' job to maintain order and discipline within his team.
9. It is the coaches' job to remain in contact with his players and provide actual guidance as they grow up from children to young adults.
10. IT IS THE COACHES JOB TO WIN FUC*ING BASKETBALL GAMES

I know you beat off to Stansbury on a daily basis, and you are correct that hiring a new coach is a crap shoot at best, but, for all the good that Rick Stansbury has done for MSU over the years, he has absolutely failed to do the majority of the 10 things listed above on a consistent basis in the past 5 or so years, much less all of them at once, which by the way is his 17'ing job.
 

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got erased on the other end of the floor. Ravern scored 18 last night, but he gave up 20 to Taylor... I hope Arkansas is better next year. It will help our RPI and conference RPI. We will probably split with them next year. Regardless, their potential remergence won't hurt our NCAA chances.

You and I may not share the same expectation for next year, but I think we both agree that if we don't make the NCAAT Stans will be and should begone.
 

Coach34

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I'm just basically saying that the road to get there next year is going to be a little harder than it was this season. We'll see
 

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there aren't any NBA players on our team. Period.<div>
</div><div>Stansbury has done much less with much more in the past. What makes you think it would be any different next year?</div>