A traditional summer topic - The worst marching band in the SEC

615dawg

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Pregame show will be the same as it has been since 1998. Except the band will ring cowbells and do the Dawg Pound Rock.

First show - the music of Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody, We are the Champions, Bicycle Race
Other shows:
90s music
Halloween
Patriotic

I have also been told by my inside band source that the greatest thing MSU could do for its game atmosphere is to FIRE ELVA KAYE LANCE and promote Dr. Aarhus (spelling) to director.
 

615dawg

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Pregame show will be the same as it has been since 1998. Except the band will ring cowbells and do the Dawg Pound Rock.

First show - the music of Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody, We are the Champions, Bicycle Race
Other shows:
90s music
Halloween
Patriotic

I have also been told by my inside band source that the greatest thing MSU could do for its game atmosphere is to FIRE ELVA KAYE LANCE and promote Dr. Aarhus (spelling) to director.
 

615dawg

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Pregame show will be the same as it has been since 1998. Except the band will ring cowbells and do the Dawg Pound Rock.

First show - the music of Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody, We are the Champions, Bicycle Race
Other shows:
90s music
Halloween
Patriotic

I have also been told by my inside band source that the greatest thing MSU could do for its game atmosphere is to FIRE ELVA KAYE LANCE and promote Dr. Aarhus (spelling) to director.
 

WESTDOG

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i am a graduate of the music program at MSU - vocal music, not band - and have seen the program up close and personal. I like Elva K. Lance, BUT, i also believe it is past time for a new director of bands.
the university FINALLY put some money into the music program and built a new facility, along with a new band practice field. and to be quite honest, the building was too small even right after they built it, especially to house both choir and band....but it is still nice. I am still trying to understand how and WHY the university and some alums spent a couple million bucks to renovate a theatre in Meridian that the band and choir have to be bused down to in order to use it only once or twice a year in order to appease someone's ego.
............but back to the band. i have to sadly say that MSU is probably in the last three in terms of ranking the conference's marching bands. sad, but true. i think a lot of that stems from the lack of new ideas and vision in that aspect of the band program (as well as needing to chew some members' asses out for not pulling their weight, and just collecting a scholly - maybe that's where Croom got the idea from...i mean, both performed on the same field). Elva does a great job in the concert venue, and still does well with the band in the stands, but the on-field aspect lacks a lot.
 

Bullyfan87

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I think promoting either Dr. Aarhus or Dr. Taylor would be a great idea. They both have some very good ideas, but it felt like the best ones got shot down a lot of the time. Also, I'm not sure who thought it would be cool for the band to do the DPR in the first place, but I'm pretty sure it was Mrs. Lance who decided it would become a weekly event. Even though I enjoyed my time in Famous Maroon Band, I have to say I was embarrassed to be a member every week during pregame last year.
 

topdawg.sixpack

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WESTDOG said:
I am still trying to understand how and WHY the university and some alums spent a couple million bucks to renovate a theatre in Meridian that the band and choir have to be bused down to in order to use it only once or twice a year in order to appease someone's ego.
That would be the Riley Foundation, which was founded by the Riley Family of Meridian. I too wish it was in Starkville, but the facility in Meridian was there, and the Riley Foundation and MSU partnered together to create a great facility. That money was only going to stay there.
 

onedawg

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I've heard every SEC marching band in person and the least impressive ones are Vandy, Kentucky, and Arkansas.

MSU's is somewhere in the middle and currently better than Ole Miss' band. The best today are LSU, Alabama, and Auburn.
 

Todd4State

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I feel obligated to post.

I agree with much, if not all that has been said here. I am good friends with an avid reader who was a music major as well, and we have this discussion from time to time.

On a personal level, I like Mrs. Lance. I think she is a good director. That said, much like Ron Polk's day passing him, perhaps the same is true for Mrs. Lance. I think she has some insecurities about herself and her abilities and ideas, and micromanages a little too much. I think she tries to be too much like Doc Sills at times as well, when she really maybe needed to be herself. And she at times can be stubborn- if you don't like the DPR band version- and let's be honest who does- DO NOT COMPLAIN IT WILL MAKE IT WORSE. IF YOU WANT IT TO STOP, JUST DON'T RESPOND TO IT IN THE STANDS. That is the best bet to get it stopped.

There is a bit of pressure that comes with the MSU band job because we have actually been blessed through the years with very good band directors throughout the history of the band. Believe it or not.

I have also heard about in-fighting within the band, and that hurts morale and performance a lot as well. When people are pissed off, they tend to give less of a ****. It's also bad for morale when you have people that want to be the best that they can, and you have some people not giving a **** about what they look like or whether the band is good or not. That, and maybe some lack of creativity on the directors part, as well as some probably very good ideas being shot down have hurt our band to the point where it is what it is now.


So, I'm going to rip off some of the avid reader from Tupelo ideas- and he is more qualified than me from a musician standpoint.

1. Get a new and creative director. If such is already on staff, promote him. The other solution is for Mrs. Lance to stay and let the other directors do their jobs.

2. Limit the marching band to 150 members. That would make us one of the smaller bands in the SEC- maybe even the smallest. But what we would be doing is sacrificing numbers for quality. You announce this in the spring, and I guarantee that most of the goofballs will cut themselves. What you hopefully end up with is the very best people for putting out a quality product. If there are any goofballs left, they will be policed pretty easily because they will be outnumbered and shunned. Band can remain an organization that anyone can be in, but to be in the marching band, it has to be earned. You're forcing accountability. We would also actually end up getting more out of our scholarships by doing this as well because our funds wouldn't be spread so thin. That means that we could attract better players as well.

3. Simplify/shorten the pre-game show. Ours is probably the longest in the SEC. It needs to be march on the field playing the fight song/go State, form MSU, play the National Anthem and either God Bless America or the alma mater, then the STATE spellout, then play the fight song marching down the field instead of Madelon, make the tunnel and play Hail State when the team runs out. Very simple, and easy for our band to learn, and also will get our crowd into the game. Which is what you want for the pre-game show. We spent a ton of time on the pre-game show when I was in the band, and that takes away from the halftime show. My pre-game show could be put in during the second day of band camp, and could be very, very clean.

4. Extend the practice time from one hour to two. This is where Mrs. Lance gets kind of weird about Doc. Doc once upon a time promised the band that they would never have to practice more than an hour a day. Mrs. Lance was always adamant about keeping it that way, even though people were willing to extend the practice time even back when I was in the band. I really don't think the band would have a problem extending the practice time if it meant that they would have a better product at halftime.

5. Cut down the stand tunes. MSU has probably well over 100 "stand tunes" in their folder. It's massive. There's so much music, that at times we would be sight reading in the stands. And then the communication system is not very good between the director and the band. The result is crap. We need to have a first down song, a second down song, etc. Essentially what LSU does. Again, very simple, keeps the crowd into the game, very easy communication system, and also again allows the band to focus on halftime.

We have some issues, but they're all very easily remedied.
 

Mjoelner

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but please, for the love of God quit doing that bit at the end of Hail State. I don't know what the musical term is but if you put the fight song words to it, it would be: win that game to-, win that game to-, win that game todaAaAY. It makes our fight song sound like something from a freaking circus! Half the time I look down on the field expectingto see bicycle riding clownslassoing midgets or something. Of course the way we've played on the field this decade (up until last season) circus music was kind of appropriate.
 

QuaoarsKing

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They've had to cut out the full band trip the past 2 years because of a lack of funds. Maybe if the 75 laziest people weren't getting a scholarship anymore and bringing the band down, the FMB could both sound better and better represent itself at road games.
 

Todd4State

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We would definately would have been better off had we flown under the radar.

But I guess we'll never learn!
 

KurtRambis4

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laugh out of the band "uniform" threads. I can honestly say that the only time I ever notice these clowns is when they walk thru the dawg walk with the team. During the game, not so much. (Channeling AI) We talkin' bout da band man, da band!
 

Optimus Prime 4

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the only time I ever looked at the band was when we had this one awesome drummer who danced and rocked out while he played. Marcus.
 

dawgstudent

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I think a marching band is a huge part of college football. I couldn't imagine a LSU game without their band or even a State game without our own band.
 

615dawg

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MSU brought in a guy from Texas A&M and it started to get better. Then they didn't renew the guy.
 

UpTheMiddlex3Punt

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But damn they are going to butcher it beyond recognition.

My favorite band to ever grace Scott Field was the Troy State porno music band during the tornado bowl. Just about the only good thing about that game.
 

megadawgmaniac

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Stop doing the Dog Pound Rock. Wait, that's already been determined to be a mainstay.

So one way to improve The Famous Maroon Band: don't play "The Final Countdown" late in the 4th quarter when we are losing to Arkansas by three touchdowns.

AA - "but we have to play for TV" is not a valid excuse
 

Shmuley

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when the Golden Band from Tigerland sounds the opening bars of "Hold that Tiger" just before kickoff and I'll show you a corpse ... or a ***.
 

FlabLoser

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The band is a huge part of college football. Wouldn't be the same without it. Like ketchup and french fries.

Band doesn't go well with other things though - like the NFL. Some NFL teams have bands and its just not the same - like ketchup on blackeye peas.
 

Todd4State

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615dawg said:
MSU brought in a guy from Texas A&M and it started to get better. Then they didn't renew the guy.


We did bring in a guy from Texas A&M, but he was never on staff, and was only a consultant that was brought in for band camp. He was only intended to be a consultant. The reason he was brought in was solely because the pre-game show that year had military style marching in it. He was brought in to install the pre-game, and that was it. He had nothing to do with anything involving halftime.

The reason he wasn't brought back was because we haven't done any military style marching. The guy was still on staff at Texas A&M at that time.

The reason we were better back then was because we actually had some good people in the band that actually tried to do the very best that we could. Sure, we had our moments- like destroying a hotel in New Orleans, people coming to games drunk, etc., but we would get the job done at the end of the day. Our best band in my opinion in the last 20 years was the 1998 FMB. We were probably in the top half of the SEC that year.
 

Todd4State

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dawgstudent said:
I think a marching band is a huge part of college football. I couldn't imagine a LSU game without their band or even a State game without our own band.


I would rather have the worst band in the SEC than no band. It would be pretty embarassing if we didn't have one. "Poor ol' Mississippi State can't even put together a band. They don't care about football enough to put together a band" is what our SEC "friends" would say.

It would be the same at Ole Miss if they didn't have a band.

Not having a band would be like not having cheerleaders. Both in the grand scheme of football serve a similar role- entertain the crowd and keep them into the game. Yeah, the halftime show is the focus for band directors, but I think that's a consolation to them for them bringing the band and keeping the crowd into it.

If you pumped the music in through the speakers- it's the same as listening to a band in your car vs live. There is a big difference.
 

dawgstudent

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but pregame at most schools is one of the best things to me. And I would never be able to yell out "Another T" ever again.

Edit to Add - I really wish the "Another T" would catch on with the whole stadium. Which also makes me want to point out one of my favorite posting names on "Nuther T"
 

Todd4State

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thing that a SEC band does. I would be more kosher with taking away halftime than pre-game. Pre-Game is what sets the tone for the game and gets everyone into the game. A lot of people don't watch halftime, they go to the bathroom or get food. But everyone is there for pre-game.

The band plays the fight song and immediately people are ready.

If you took out the pre-game, your atmosphere on gameday would be the worst in the conference. There would be no build-up.
 

patdog

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I couldn't care less if any band ever did a halftime show, but they've got to be there for pregame and during the game.
 

UpTheMiddlex3Punt

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It's nothing awesome and it's the same every time, but I hate it when I don't make it to the game on time to witness it. I can practically see and hear it in my head right now.

Halftime, on the other hand, is best when another band gets to do a show. I'd rather stand in line to take a crap during halftime.