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Since we had a thread on the ACC, I thought we needed one on the AAC.

I appreciate what they are trying to do with the whole power 6 thing, and I think they realize no one takes them serious, kind of the same with UCF and their claimed national title - though I think their fans believe they were really national champions.

The AAC knows their claims are more to drum up the publicity than for anyone to actually take them serious.

They just signed a new TV deal that pays them significantly less than any P5 conference, but significantly more than any G5 conference, so I do believe they are viewed as a higher tier than the other G5 conferences by networks. And they have better brands for their level than any of the other G5 conferences, minus maybe Boise State in the MWC.

Which brings me to the point of this off-season topic...

What could the AAC do to improve their profile and national perception if they truly did/do believe they belong among the power conferences? I know winning big games is the easy answer, but Boise has had big wins in high profile games over the years and no P5 conference is interested in them.

I think they need to think outside the box, be different in their approach,maybe continue with the pseudo-controversial claims to generate conversation. Get creative with the rules.

Some ideas...

First, since there has been a push for conference autonomy in how the individuals conferences govern themselves, the AAC should allow student athletes from any conference OTHER THAN the AAC to transfer into an AAC school and be eligible to play right away and not have to sit. That would give them some better talent from P5 athletes that want to transfer and not sit.

Second, give all AAC student athletes 5 years to play a full 5 years instead of the 5 years to play 4 years and 4 games.

Third, football players that declare for the draft, but go undrafted can return to school if they do not sign with an agent much like the NBA does. They would also take players from other schools that declare, go undrafted, do not sign with an agent, and would like to then transfer into an AAC school to finish their college career. Again, this brings in talented players that AAC schools might other not be able to recruit straight from high school.

Fourth, do away with divisions except for scheduling purposes during the regular season, and allow the top 2 teams in football each season to face off in the conference championship like the Big 12 does. This still might not ever be enough to garner a spot in the 4-team playoff, but if the playoff expands to 8 like is speculated, and there are two quality teams in the AAC ranked reasonably high that then face each other for the championship, it could theoretically give the AAC a better shot at putting a team in an expanded playoff field.

Fifth, they need to increase the brands they offer for television to try and increase TV contract revenue. Right now the AAC has 12 football members and 12 basketball members, though Navy is a football only member and Wichita State is a member in everything but football. The AAC should bring in Army and Air Force, giving the conference all three military academies, which brings two more national brands. They can both follow the Navy model and compete in football only in the AAC. Also, the AAC should bring in BYU and Boise State for football only. BYU already has a home for its other sports, and Boise could “dump” its other sports in the WCC with BYU. Two more national brands that TV would be interested in showing. That makes them the only FBS level conference with 16 football members. It adds TV appeal with the additional name brands and though no one will ever confuse their contract with any other P5 TV contract, it would definitely improve their per-school haul in terms of TV dollars.

Sixth, create an online TV network like the WWE online network where they can dump all their other sports that networks are not interested in and charge $5-$10 bucks a month to subscribe. That would create additional revenue for their schools. As many states and schools as they would have in their footprint, including associate members like Florida and Vanderbilt that house women’s lacrosse, they would get a lot of subscribers of those schools just based on volume alone. Not every fan of those schools would subscribe, but a good portion would.

Seventh, continue to make brash claims and push the bravado of being a Power 6 conference. Maybe no one will ever believe it, but look how much publicity UCF generated by claiming a title. 3-4 years ago they went winless on the year. Now people actually talk about whether they deserve to be in the playoff or not. It builds the brand.

And eighth, when a school fires a coach, they need to take chances on big name (sometimes controversial) coaches with big personalities that draw attention to their conference. UCF did this with George O’Leary. Bobby Petrino would be a name that comes to mind. Rich Rodriguez. Get name brand coaches that maybe aren’t the most successful in stints with P5 schools, but generate discussion in the media. As the old “double entendre” expression goes, “No publicity is bad publicity.”

By taking these steps, it may not put them on equal footing with P5 conferences, but it will certainly increase their profile and will put them closer to the P5 and further away from the G5.
 
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Consistency is the key word for the AAC.

They must win the big games every year. Each member has to play at least one team from a P5 that is not a bottom dweller and beat them as a conference and do it at least three years in a row.

They must dominate all of the other G5 teams they play, not just beat, but dominate.

They must put butts in the seats of their home games at every home game for every team.

They must sell out their few bowls they get at the end of each season. They have to win at least half of those games every year and not have a WTF game and lose to someone much worse.

They need to have their best coaches move to high profile positions in the top tier of the P5 every time one of the strikes gold for a season. They need to repalce those coaches with a new one that has what it takes to be a worthy repalcement.

It does not matter what they do internally, no one cares whose opinion matters. The only people that will care about that are the fans of the AAC schools and unless they are buying tickets to every game and making a social media presence of themselves and their team, they do not matter.

Until they do these things, they will just be the tallest midgit.
 

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and when the day comes when the networks have to reduce their bad investment in poor P5 games just to have programming...and the college athletics financial model collapses...while stadiums sit half full from falling attendance...then maybe sanity will return to the role of sports in institutions of higher learning. suddenly...the current pecking order will evaporate and games not pr will have meaning again.
 

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AAC will never be a P5 or P6 for that matter. When the time comes they will be raided of their top teams. Leaving them dead like the Big East and equal to CUSA.
 
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BYU won't join.
They went independent are are classified as a P5 as an independent similar to ND by some conferences.

This was because of Utah joining the PAC 12. BYU pushed very hard to get into the Big 12 but we don't want the Zoobs.
 

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What I think is funny is there are still some who think Boise State is a "brand", like they are relevant or something. Only thing that sticks out with them is their ugly blue turf.
 

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Tylerwrong...and I bet just as many folks think that it is funny that some people think that WVU is a "brand". lol
 
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16x5 would be 90 teams.

If you take the best 25 out of the Group of 5 I am sure Boise St would be included.

Boise St has a few advantages
The #1 team in their market
Winning football tradition
Fanbase who is interested

Boise State has a disadvantage with the PAC 12 because like they are a glorified community college.
But unlike UCF and Houston they don't bring recruits and major TV markets.
 
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It is all a waste of time.

But you said IF the 5 P5 conferences expanded to 16 each Boise St would not be included.
I said that was false.

Boise St in that situation would be one of the 25 brought in.

The logical realignment is 4 Power Conferences of 16 teams.

I like the idea of 8 with 8-10 teams each from the 8 areas
Pacific
Interior West
Upper Midwest
Great Lakes/Northeast
Atlantic
Appalachia
Southwest
Southeast

Pacific- Original 8 PCC schools
Interior West- The old Border Conference mixed with Big 8
Upper Midwest- B1G, Iowa State, ND
Great Lakes/Northeast Michigan and Ohio State
Atlantic Pretty much the original ACC
Appalachia Kentucky, Tennessee, VA Tech mixed with the PA schools.
Southwest SWC
Southeast the SEC without Tennessee and Kentucky
 
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What I think is funny is there are still some who think Boise State is a "brand", like they are relevant or something. Only thing that sticks out with them is their ugly blue turf.

Every school has a brand. Some are just incomparably bigger than others. Boise is not on any P5 conference radar, but they are a nationally recognized program in the college football world. Does the average person on the street know about them like they would Notre Dame? No, not even close. But a game between Boise State and any power 5 school is going to be televised nationally.

For the AAC, Boise State would be a great pick up for football only. They also do not interfere with any other school’s in the AAC tv market or immediate recruiting territory. They would absolutely upgrade the AAC tv profile.
 

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It is all a waste of time.

But you said IF the 5 P5 conferences expanded to 16 each Boise St would not be included.
I said that was false.

Boise St in that situation would be one of the 25 brought in.

The logical realignment is 4 Power Conferences of 16 teams.

I like the idea of 8 with 8-10 teams each from the 8 areas
Pacific
Interior West
Upper Midwest
Great Lakes/Northeast
Atlantic
Appalachia
Southwest
Southeast

Pacific- Original 8 PCC schools
Interior West- The old Border Conference mixed with Big 8
Upper Midwest- B1G, Iowa State, ND
Great Lakes/Northeast Michigan and Ohio State
Atlantic Pretty much the original ACC
Appalachia Kentucky, Tennessee, VA Tech mixed with the PA schools.
Southwest SWC
Southeast the SEC without Tennessee and Kentucky

The easiest solution is to divide up the B12 among the other conferences and have a Power Four + Notre Dame. Just determine who the best fit for each conference is based on need or compatibility. Each conference plays an 8 game conference schedule leaving 4 non conference games to schedule old non conference rivals each year. The new TV deals for each league would be huge.

BIG 10
*Wants AAU members, new markets, and marquee brands: Longhorn football and Jayhawk basketball. The Big 10 values basketball, and Kansas basketball adds valuable content for the Big 10 Network. Texas football is self explanatory.
+ Kansas
+ Texas

PAC 12
*Needs a power football program, and Oklahoma fits the bill, and still has a manageable path to the playoffs annually. Iowa State adds another AAU institution. Texas Tech gets the PAC-12 Network into Texas. Kansas State helps bring the P12 network into the Kansas City market. Four new teams with four new markets in four new states, with earlier time zones for TV value. Oklahoma is the coup and adds the true value.
+ Oklahoma
+ Iowa State
+ Texas Tech
+ Kansas State

ACC
*The new ACC Network could use the 27 million potential viewers in Texas to increase its value for basic cable packages like how the B10 added Rutgers based solely on market. The ACC is already home to several other small private schools (Norte Dame, Duke, Wake Forest, Syracuse, Boston College, and Miami).
+ TCU
+ Baylor

SEC
*Can always add new markets, and both Oklahoma State and West Virginia are good cultural fits for the SEC. Both would be contiguous footprint states. Ok State helps expand the SEC brand and media coverage in the mid west. WVU pulls its reach into the regional Maryland, D.C., Pennsylvania, and Ohio border areas.
+ Oklahoma State
+ West Virginia
 

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If G5 held their own playoff the teams in 2018 could have been...

1, UCF 12-0
Best wins: Cincinnati (25), Temple (34), Pitt (35)

2. Fresno State 11-2
Best wins: Boise State (20), San Diego State (66)

3. Army 10-2
Best wins: Buffalo (43)

4. Appalachian State 10-2
Best wins: Troy (46)
 
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If G5 held their own playoff the teams in 2018 could have been...

1, UCF 12-0
Best wins: Cincinnati (25), Temple (34), Pitt (35)

2. Fresno State 11-2
Best wins: Boise State (20), San Diego State (66)

3. Army 10-2
Best wins: Buffalo (43)

4. Appalachian State 10-2
Best wins: Troy (46)

Smartest thing I have heard you post.

This is the best way for G5 schools to upset the balance of power.
Even negotiate with a company like NBC or Turner Sports.
 
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The easiest solution is to divide up the B12 among the other conferences and have a Power Four + Notre Dame. Just determine who the best fit for each conference is based on need or compatibility. Each conference plays an 8 game conference schedule leaving 4 non conference games to schedule old non conference rivals each year. The new TV deals for each league would be huge.

BIG 10
*Wants AAU members, new markets, and marquee brands: Longhorn football and Jayhawk basketball. The Big 10 values basketball, and Kansas basketball adds valuable content for the Big 10 Network. Texas football is self explanatory.
+ Kansas
+ Texas

PAC 12
*Needs a power football program, and Oklahoma fits the bill, and still has a manageable path to the playoffs annually. Iowa State adds another AAU institution. Texas Tech gets the PAC-12 Network into Texas. Kansas State helps bring the P12 network into the Kansas City market. Four new teams with four new markets in four new states, with earlier time zones for TV value. Oklahoma is the coup and adds the true value.
+ Oklahoma
+ Iowa State
+ Texas Tech
+ Kansas State

ACC
*The new ACC Network could use the 27 million potential viewers in Texas to increase its value for basic cable packages like how the B10 added Rutgers based solely on market. The ACC is already home to several other small private schools (Norte Dame, Duke, Wake Forest, Syracuse, Boston College, and Miami).
+ TCU
+ Baylor

SEC
*Can always add new markets, and both Oklahoma State and West Virginia are good cultural fits for the SEC. Both would be contiguous footprint states. Ok State helps expand the SEC brand and media coverage in the mid west. WVU pulls its reach into the regional Maryland, D.C., Pennsylvania, and Ohio border areas.
+ Oklahoma State
+ West Virginia

Too many other factors in play for anything to occur.
Like I have said everyone is waiting on the ACC network and then waiting on what ND does.
If the ACC network is a success you could see something like this happening.

There is always the PAC 12.

If you look at revenue the Big 12 is doing better than both and Texas is not hurting. Texas has actually increased their lead over everyone else the last 7 years in terms of revenue.
 

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If 15 teams added from G5...

Boise State (yes they would be in)
San Diego State
Fresno State
UCF
Cincinnati
Houston
Army
BYU
SMU (they've been in big time, before it was called big time)
Connecticut

Pretty hard to pick some G5 schools after the first 10
South Florida
Rice
Toledo
Colorado State
Memphis
 

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Notre Dame needs to be forced into a conference. With them making the playoffs without joining then it's going to be difficult to do so.
 

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This whole p5 thing is stupid. All we have now is really another division of schools for football only. When the money from TV goes south then there will be a lot of salary reductions and stadium downsizing.
 
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It is the system in place.
As we go on it be harder for schools to develop a name.
This doesn't mean a G5 cannot without the right AD and president.
Look no further than UCF. UCF pays people to troll Twitter and other forms of social media. Plus UCF is in Orlando. An area of the country that is growing.
It would be harder for a school like Kent State or Marshall to do it but who says they cannot.
 

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This whole p5 thing is stupid. All we have now is really another division of schools for football only. When the money from TV goes south then there will be a lot of salary reductions and stadium downsizing.

Over hyping and over paying college coaches is a big problem for college football. If people quit watching games on TV, then the whole thing would pop the balloon.

Basically the media is making a group of minor league football teams to the pros. Put 32 teams in that group and let the rest of college football get back to what it once was.
 
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Notre Dame needs to be forced into a conference. With them making the playoffs without joining then it's going to be difficult to do so.

There always is an 8 team playoff.
The SEC and Big 12 want to keep it all 4.
Don't know why the B1G wants to expand it.

But there is talk especially if FOX outbids ESPN for it.

Only way ND doesn't join is if their ratings drop and NBC doesn't renew the contract.
There is pressure from the ACC but not enough.
 

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There always is an 8 team playoff.
The SEC and Big 12 want to keep it all 4.
Don't know why the B1G wants to expand it.

But there is talk especially if FOX outbids ESPN for it.

Only way ND doesn't join is if their ratings drop and NBC doesn't renew the contract.
There is pressure from the ACC but not enough.

Big 10 wants it to expand because they missed the last 2 playoffs. PAC wants to extend it because, well, they are desperate.

Big East tried doing the same and failed at it. It's one reason they were picked apart. ACC is begging for ND to join. Quit giving them a place for their Olympic sports and they will crumble.
 
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Big 10 wants it to expand because they missed the last 2 playoffs. PAC wants to extend it because, well, they are desperate.

Big East tried doing the same and failed at it. It's one reason they were picked apart. ACC is begging for ND to join. Quit giving them a place for their Olympic sports and they will crumble.

The other problem is they get 1/15th of the pie without the ACC network having control of their TV rights for football

It sets up a power struggle in the ACC for money and power.
Every single move was based on money. Money at the end of the day controls CFB and college sports. Until the ACC can make the same amount of money they always will have a target.
 

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Money sometimes dries up. There will not be a huge dollar amount left out there soon. ESPN will either burn at the stake or stop forking it out. College football needs to get away from the money merry go round. College presidents need to get back to education and not pimping out their teams. College football is no longer a game. It's more of a beauty contest or a look at me now attitude. It's a disgrace.
 
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Money is not going to dry up for television.
Maybe conference networks but who knows.

People watch college football. If it does dry up it will be because the sport isn't important anymore and I don't see this happening.

Oklahoma and Georgia sued the NCAA and won. ND became involved later and used that to sign with NBC sports.
Before third their rights there were first tier rights and first tier rights haven't dried up and they have remained a major part of CFB since the late 1980's.
Pretty much what ushered in the first round of college football conference realignment.