Aaron Brooks fails drug test

[The Pitchfork Rebel]

DHEA (Dehydroepiandrosterone) is a supplement that promotes optimal hormone levels. It's sold at Wegmans and would be near the fish oil . And its an illegal substance with the USADA.

It's also produced naturally in the body.

I am reserving judgement. I'd like to know what marker appeared outside normal limits and what AB supposedly took.

Wegman's carries stuff that could cause a failed drug test.

Fifteen years ago, I popped a borderline A1C (6.0)

Doc suggested several things, including Vitamin D3 and DHEA. I tried it for a while, my A1C has bounced around between 5.3 and 5.9 and since that's high normal I dropped it. Although it can be ingested, the body naturally produces in the adrenal gland.

Wegmans​

www.wegmans.com

What Should Athletes Know about DHEA? | USADA​

While not included under the Controlled Substances Act, athletes should know that DHEA is considered a prohibited anabolic agent in sport.

www.usada.org

It's banned whether or not prescribed, despite the fact that results of testing on effects of strength are mixed

I never got an increase in strength or musculature from it-and as far as I know, my NCAA -National Coalition of Aging Accountants doesn't ban it for my events (Ledger Wrestling and Spreadsheet Gymnastics).

DHEA​

Understand what DHEA is and the possible side effects associated with this supplement.

www.mayoclinic.org

At one point there was a push to classify it as an anabolic steroid.

I am not saying AB used DHEA. Based on the claims made, I'd don't think this would be it. Let's see if the test results are the potential result of something "next to" or near fish oil.

 

[Anon1751279860]

I agree very careless but minor, people making a mountain from a mole hill again. But it gets clicks and key board warriors can have fun with it.

 

[Corby]

I agree very careless but minor, people making a mountain from a mole hill again. But it gets clicks and key board warriors can have fun with it.

My guess is he gets 2 years and can be back for the open in April 2027. I think he's our rep at 97kg in LA 2028

 

[Tom McAndrew]

 

[Tom McAndrew]

Today's BaschAMania. The AB situation is one of the topics they cover. It begins around the 11:30 mark:

 

[El_Jefe]

That's a partial list. USADA has suspended 13 athletes for DHEA.

Full list here (filter on DHEA at the link):

Sanctions - Anti-Doping Violations | U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA)

A list of all anti-doping rule violations / sanctions issued by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) in its history. Includes athlete & coach sanctions.

www.usada.org

The average suspension was 20 months, though multiple variables are at play: in vs out of competifion, repeat offender, # banned drugs in the test, etc. The 2 harshest (4 yrs each) are clearly not comparable to Brooks.

If time allows, I'll dig into the case specifics and see how many make a reaaonable basis.

 

[El_Jefe]

This case seems comparable to Brooks', except she was popped in competition. She attempted to self-medicate for a medical condition.

She got 8 months.

Toccata Murphy Receives Doping Sanction | USADA

An arbitrator has imposed a eight-month sanction on Toccata Murphy for her anti-doping rule violation.

www.usada.org

 

[WEAREPSU_LI]

Looks like Brooks will have an extended (further) break.

 

[El_Jefe]

Got bored in a mtg ...

The 13 cases are all over the map. Hard to pinpoint a suspension basis, other than it'll very likely be something less than 2 years.

USADA apparently starts at 2 yrs and then adjusts. Generally the sentence is reduced for an out-of-competition test, self-reporting, cooperating with investigators, if the doctor screwed up, etc. But reduction durations are inconsistent.

The two 4-yr cases were blatant. One got busted for an investigation into his drug purchases (without a failed drug test) -- he got busted for a Soviet-level 10 (!) substances over more than a decade.

I'm gonna guess Brooks gets something in the 12-15 month range. Anything in the 6-18 mo range won't be surprising. Under 6 or more than 18 would be.

That's a broad range but the data are widely scattered.

 

[JVP_Yahweh]

All the Russians are taking PED's like candy. I think they are trying to make an example of Aaron for the appearance of "balanced enforcement". Aaron is a man of God and I believe him 100% when he says he didn't intentionally try to gain an advantage

 

[Corby]

All the Russians are taking PED's like candy. I think they are trying to make an example of Aaron for the appearance of "balanced enforcement". Aaron is a man of God and I believe him 100% when he says he didn't intentionally try to gain an advantage

It's the United States ADA . Russia isn't tested by them

 

[El_Jefe]

Adding to the above:

USADA pretty clearly differentiate between mistakes vs flat-out cheating.

But the mistakes still get punished. Mulriple cases of doctor error got 12-24 mo for the athlete.

Also, the shortest suspensions (6-8 mo) went to those with documented medical conditions who self-reported and/or fully cooperated. (One who self-reported but without a condition got 18 mo, so that's helpful but not a magic bullet.)

 

[Corby]

2 seems about right for him. Hopefully nothing more

 

[Dogwelder]

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[nerfstate]

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I think Soylent Green is a safer choice.

 

[El_Jefe]

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Dogwelder be like

 

[JAS]

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You are looking for humor correct? Not serious advice?

 

[Hotshoe]

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[Hotshoe]

Dogwelder be like

Oh, hallelujah! We can post photos directly now! Only took 30 years!

 

[Dogwelder]

… athletes should know that DHEA is considered a prohibited anabolic agent in sport.

I never got an increase in strength or musculature from it-and as far as I know, my NCAA -National Coalition of Aging Accountants doesn't ban it for my events (Ledger Wrestling and Spreadsheet Gymnastics).

DHEA is not banned for accountants because strength is not important for gun sports like accounting.

 

[El_Jefe]

DHEA is not banned for accountants because strength is not important for gun sports like accounting.

What about for the guy behind the deli counter?

 

[mh-larch]

Lots of good info being posted on this topic....thanks for all the good research on past cases and penalties.

Of course Aaron should have been more careful with so much at stake. Which leads to my question since I know so little about how the RTC's operate. Because he is being paid by the NLWC, and is being coached and trained by the coaches of the NLWC, shouldn't he have to seek their advice or even permission to take any kind of supplement? Are these wrestlers just out there doing whatever they choose to do regarding training, nutrition, and supplements without any guidance from NLWC staff? Basically freelancers just training in the room without constant guidance? Kind of blows my mind that they have this much autonomy considering all the investment being made into their development.

Why is Aaron making these decisions by himself? Pick up the phone and consult with the NLWC staff first. Seems reasonable to me. What am I getting wrong here? I think I could take this a step further and ask, as an Olympic Bronze medalist and such a valuable commodity, shouldn't he be consulting the USA Wrestling staff?

 

[Folkstylefan]

These are adults and i am sure the coaches and staff try to inform these adults of the proper ways to vet what they take. Its ultimately up to the athlete to take most of the responsibility of what they take.

 

[El_Jefe]

Lots of good info being posted on this topic....thanks for all the good research on past cases and penalties.

Of course Aaron should have been more careful with so much at stake. Which leads to my question since I know so little about how the RTC's operate. Because he is being paid by the NLWC, and is being coached and trained by the coaches of the NLWC, shouldn't he have to seek their advice or even permission to take any kind of supplement? Are these wrestlers just out there doing whatever they choose to do regarding training, nutrition, and supplements without any guidance from NLWC staff? Basically freelancers just training in the room without constant guidance? Kind of blows my mind that they have this much autonomy considering all the investment being made into their development.

Why is Aaron making these decisions by himself? Pick up the phone and consult with the NLWC staff first. Seems reasonable to me. What am I getting wrong here? I think I could take this a step further and ask, as an Olympic Bronze medalist and such a valuable commodity, shouldn't he be consulting the USA Wrestling staff?

You're dead on about "freelancing" -- from what we've been told, Aaron apparently made an impulse buy inside the store. This never should've happened, except apparent total brain fart.

You're close about the process. The NLWC coaches should not be dispensing medical advice -- they should only direct him to the team doctor. The USA Wrestling doctor should not be on call for individual athletes' purchases out of competition, rather should be coordinating processes and training RTC staffs.

Even so, Aaron needs to verify. If the team doctor makes a mistake, he still gets suspended.

There is an USADA app that Aaron could've used. That would have prevented this purchase -- because DHEA was in big letters on the front of the bottle. It may be less useful for a non-chemist to use the app while in the store to ID multipl long, complex drug names in the ingredients list.

So the best course of action is to get a pre-approved OTC list from the team doctor, shop online only, and verify the ingredients list before buying.

 

[mh-larch]

These are adults and i am sure the coaches and staff try to inform these adults of the proper ways to vet what they take. Its ultimately up to the athlete to take most of the responsibility of what they take.

I agree, Aaron is a grown man, has been competing internationally for some time now and should know better. But he failed a test. Regardless if he knew what he was doing or not, a simple call to the NLWC doctor/trainer or USA wrestling doctor/trainer could have avoided all this nonsense. Lots of resources being poured into these athletes. Seems really careless on Aaron's part

 

[District 4]

What does this have to do with Brooks? Oh that's right -- nothing. But you can't help yourself.

Your actual wrestling content is typically good. Try sticking to it.

Corby must be MSU from HR. Same ******** he always has to be right. Mineo 3.0 lol

 

[District 4]

Be careful . They will call you names. I agree you can't be buying a supplement at Wegmans without clearing it with the Dr or looking the substance up . Careless

Captain ******* obvious. Go back to hr MSU

 

[Corby]

Corby must be MSU from HR. Same ******** he always has to be right. Mineo 3.0 lol

Been wrong a bunch and will always say when I am. I did podcasts for a few years and made predictions all the time. Maybe that post earned you a few friends congratulations

 

[Corby]

Captain ******* obvious. Go back to hr MSU

Not afraid to say who I am and own what I say but nice try

 

[Corby]

Brooks vs Zillmer at RAF August 30
James Green vs Austin O'Connor
Both of these matches have been added to the card

 

[Cstroke]

Not afraid to say who I am and own what I say but nice try

 

[Shpsu]

Surprised nobody has connected DT to Mineo leaking this story before anything official was announced.

 

[Corby]

Surprised nobody has connected DT to Mineo leaking this story before anything official was announced.

That would make for a good story but that definitely didn't happen.

 

[El_Jefe]

Surprised nobody has connected DT to Mineo leaking this story before anything official was announced.

Obviously somebody leaked. That person either has access to the test results or access to Brooks.

Which of those accesses does Taylor have?

 

[Cstroke]

Maybe it was included with Bo's Christmas card when he sent it.

 

[Shpsu]

Obviously somebody leaked. That person either has access to the test results or access to Brooks.

Which of those accesses does Taylor have?

Who in the wrestling community would have access to the test results?

 

[Sayflip717]

So should I be taking DHEA to boost my t levels? This is the real question!

 

[The Pitchfork Rebel]

Hey guys. I’m allergic to soy. If I ingest any into my body, there would be serious consequences. Help me out, please. Do you think I should buy the following product for cooking my meals?
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Do you want phytoestrogens? Soy is horrible for men.

 

[El_Jefe]

So should I be taking DHEA to boost my t levels? This is the real question!

 

[PSU Mike]

Do you want phytoestrogens? Soy is horrible for men.

I drink soy milk. I’m 60. I’ll let you know how my gym session goes today. I’m in my third week of adding dips back into my routine (don’t have the best shoulders) but I should knock out 4x27 plus a bonus set in the 30’s.