New rule in the handbook this year that 3rd place teams in split leagues get a 3 seed.
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AC Reynolds should be a 3 seed not wild card
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I just looked at it and yes Reynolds should be a higher seed. South Iredell should not be seeded above Reynolds. Reynolds is a 3 seed from the MAC and South Iredell is an at large from the NPC. This had to be purposefully done, because its not hard to figure out. The State wants 30% of that gate between Erwin and ACR, simple as that.
Here it is cut and pasted from the NCHSAA Handbook. In the NPC Overall the standings are:
Lake Norman 4A
Mooresville 4A
Statesville 3A
South Iredell 3A
MAC Standings:
Asheville 3A
Erwin 3A
Reynolds 3A
A team in a split conference that finishes second or third in the overall conference standings will be seeded as a number two or number three. (Revised: May 2014)
(4) Seed all #2s by 10-game winning percentage. (Revised: May 2014) (5) Seed all #3s by 10-game winning percentage. (Revised: May 2014) (6) Seed all other qualifying teams (those with four or more wins) based
only on their 10 game winning percentage, regardless of conference
finish. (Revised: May 2014)
Lake Norman 4A
Mooresville 4A
Statesville 3A
South Iredell 3A
MAC Standings:
Asheville 3A
Erwin 3A
Reynolds 3A
A team in a split conference that finishes second or third in the overall conference standings will be seeded as a number two or number three. (Revised: May 2014)
(4) Seed all #2s by 10-game winning percentage. (Revised: May 2014) (5) Seed all #3s by 10-game winning percentage. (Revised: May 2014) (6) Seed all other qualifying teams (those with four or more wins) based
only on their 10 game winning percentage, regardless of conference
finish. (Revised: May 2014)
Guys not trying to be devils advocate but..... I think they have it right based on the info I have seen. SI is the 2 seed in 3a for the NPC, Reynolds is the 3 seed out of the MAC. Even if SI was the 3 seed in the NPC they both have the same record and it would be a coin flip between the two teams, Again this is based off of the info I have seen. At first I thought they screwed the pooch as well but after researching, I think they have it correct
You guys are taking the rule out of context as it only applies to automatic qualifiers. AC Reynolds is in a split conference. By rule the only automatic qualifiers are the top 2 in each classification.The seeding rule referenced only applies to the second automatic qualifier in a split conference.
Since AC Reynolds was the 3rd 3A team, they are a wild card and are seeded by 10-game won-loss percentage among other wild card teams.
Since AC Reynolds was the 3rd 3A team, they are a wild card and are seeded by 10-game won-loss percentage among other wild card teams.
Originally posted by ehswarriors02:
Acr finished 3rd overall.
Playoff seeding works as follows by the rule book
1. First over all orin division seeded with 1's
2. Second overall seeded with 2's
3. 3rd overall seeded with 3's
4. 4th or lower seeded as At large
The rule above does not apply to AC Reynold's situation because they are in a split conference where only the top 2 in each division automatically qualify for the play-offs. Since ACR finished 3rd among 3A teams they are considered a wild card.
The new rule that Simmons references would only apply if Erwin had been the 2nd place 3A qualifier, but finished 3rd or lower in the overall conference standings... hence McDowell being the #2 4A team but 16 seed.
Here is the part of the rule you are not seeing, it is just above they section you have quoted.
Playoff Berths/Qualification:
A team must finish 1st, 2nd or 3rd in the conference to qualify. In a split conference a team must finish 1st or 2nd in their division,
Acr finished 3rd overall.
Playoff seeding works as follows by the rule book
1. First over all orin division seeded with 1's
2. Second overall seeded with 2's
3. 3rd overall seeded with 3's
4. 4th or lower seeded as At large
The rule above does not apply to AC Reynold's situation because they are in a split conference where only the top 2 in each division automatically qualify for the play-offs. Since ACR finished 3rd among 3A teams they are considered a wild card.
The new rule that Simmons references would only apply if Erwin had been the 2nd place 3A qualifier, but finished 3rd or lower in the overall conference standings... hence McDowell being the #2 4A team but 16 seed.
Here is the part of the rule you are not seeing, it is just above they section you have quoted.
Playoff Berths/Qualification:
A team must finish 1st, 2nd or 3rd in the conference to qualify. In a split conference a team must finish 1st or 2nd in their division,
Macfan1,
Yes... It is confusing. Clear & concise rules and guidelines aren't exactly a strength of the association. Just try to figure out the 8-quarter rule.
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Yes... It is confusing. Clear & concise rules and guidelines aren't exactly a strength of the association. Just try to figure out the 8-quarter rule.
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Right or wrong here is my personal opinion, split conferences and non split should be seeded the same. If they are going to seed the 3's in a non split they should do the same for the split. ACR and others are being punished for being in a split by having to take a wild card seed as opposed to a 3 seed. We didn't choose to be in a split we were forced to be. They just need to treat all conferences the same! No matter split or not finishing 3rd overall is still 3rd overall!
This post was edited on 11/9 11:09 AM by reynoldsrocks
This post was edited on 11/9 11:09 AM by reynoldsrocks
I agree 100% reynoldsrocks. I am currently working on a plan for some people that would finally eliminate all split conferences. The way it is now, is just comparing apples to oranges.
I understand what is being said however when the NCHSAA puts this statement in their book and online for all the world to see it makes you think differently. This is under is SEEDING section of he book, not the QUALIFYING section they are two totally different sections.
"A team in a split conference that finishes second or third in the overall conference standings will be SEEDED as a number two or number three. (Revised: May 2014)"
That is THE NCHSAA rules as they write it. With it being in the SEEDING section you would think that is exactly what they meant, but seems they write one thing but mean another, as long as it fits what they want. So if there is no 3 seeds in a split conference why even write this statement?
This post was edited on 11/9 3:27 PM by reynoldsrocks
"A team in a split conference that finishes second or third in the overall conference standings will be SEEDED as a number two or number three. (Revised: May 2014)"
That is THE NCHSAA rules as they write it. With it being in the SEEDING section you would think that is exactly what they meant, but seems they write one thing but mean another, as long as it fits what they want. So if there is no 3 seeds in a split conference why even write this statement?
This post was edited on 11/9 3:27 PM by reynoldsrocks
The fact that tc Roberson has to beat one notoriously bad team to be declared "4a conference champions" is an embarrassment to competitive sports.
Seeding doesn't work that way in a split conference. The top team in each division gets a #1 seed. The 2nd place team in each division gets an automatic bid, but is seeded according the overall conference finish. If they are 2nd in the overall conf standings, they are seeded as a #2, 3rd as a #3. anything lower and they are seeded as a wild card. S. Irredell finished 4th in the overall standings, so they are seeded as a wild card.
On my website, I did a bracket (called the proposed bracket) where splits are seeded like any other conference and I only allow the top team in each division to qualify automatically. Its crazy that TCR and Hunter Huss get #1 seeds. Also the fact that McDowell could go 0-11 and would still make the playoffs.
Also avoided all conference re-matches that I could in the first round.
Another thing that drives me crazy - seeding 10-1 teams over 11-0 when both report as 10-0. Should never happen.
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Also avoided all conference re-matches that I could in the first round.
Another thing that drives me crazy - seeding 10-1 teams over 11-0 when both report as 10-0. Should never happen.
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