ACC Awards...Season is a wrap!!!...22-9 (11-7)
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Grayson is a lock. So are Cat, Brogdon and B. Johnson. The fifth spot is still up for grabs.
Call me a homer, and I am, but I dont think Grayson is out of that conversation for POY what so ever. He's been sensational.
If Duke somehow finishes #1 or #2 in the ACC then I think Grayson has a shot. And I don't think you're being a homer. As it stands now, though, I just like B. Johnson and Brogdon a bit more. They would be my 1a and 1b right now with Grayson as the #2. Cat isn't in my consideration for POY because I think too many others are having really good seasons and they play on pretty good teams. In fact, I'd even say this, Brandon is higher on my list for ACC POY than Cat, but Cat is a guaranteed first-teamer and Brandon isn't quite yet....as odd as that may seem.
I do get it about Cat, but this award is given to "the most outstanding player in the conference", not the best winner or best team. If it was an MVP award, I'm all in on the winning team bit, but the award is celebrating the best player.
So on one hand I understand why it is being said, but on the other hand, if the award is truly about the best player, I think Cat has been the best and Brice is right after him.
So on one hand I understand why it is being said, but on the other hand, if the award is truly about the best player, I think Cat has been the best and Brice is right after him.
I gotta go with Johnson. He was owning us the first half and the beginning of the second half. Don't care for him at all but we could sure use him. If it weren't for him we might have run them out of the Dean Dome. OFC
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I get what you're saying, and I think it comes down to how one interprets the POY. I think the POY makes those around him better and elevates his team's play. On one hand, you can say Barber doesn't have a ton of talent around him so he can't do that, on another you could say his numbers don't reflect what he does for his team. Even without him, they might have one or two conference wins, but with him they only have three. It's the same reason I wasn't for Erick Green in 2013 over Mason. If State was even flirting with a .500 conference record he'd be in the conversation for me. But they're not. So I recognize his play and don't take away from what he's done, but I don't elevate him to POY status...right or wrong. JMO.
I totally get that side of it, it's just like you say, interpretation. I honestly don't feel like a kid's accomplishments should be diminished based on his team's profile. Olivier Hanlan for instance was overlooked as a POY candidate for BC, but his name should have at least been mentioned a little more for how well he played last season. Again, just interpretation of team success vs. individual accolade.
I think if you asked Cat, he would take a winning record over ACCPOY. But sometimes you're dealt the hand that's given.
This interpretation is exactly why i think Grayson is right there. Duke is 1 game out of first in the league. Without Grayson, we're probably down towards the bottom 1/3 of the league. So combine that with his stats, 2nd in the league in pts, top 10 in FG% (which is insane since he's a guard), top 10 in FT%, ETC. he needs to be considered. I think you take brice off that team and they're still a middle to high acc standing team. I'm not diminishing him, just vouching for our guy. I do not think this is a runaway between him and brogdon.
Brogdon is the very best defender in the ACC....hands down, IMO. And he averages 18ppg in conference play. You take him off UVA and I think you can make the argument they're in much worse shape than us without Grayson.
Similarly, UNC is big on names only right now. Besides Joel Berry, every single other player on their team, with the exception of maybe Hicks, is playing below their expectation level. Grayson is the only one of my top three that has another All-ACC performer playing alongside him. You could say Gill from UVA, but he's at best a second-teamer.
Similarly, UNC is big on names only right now. Besides Joel Berry, every single other player on their team, with the exception of maybe Hicks, is playing below their expectation level. Grayson is the only one of my top three that has another All-ACC performer playing alongside him. You could say Gill from UVA, but he's at best a second-teamer.
Barber is leading the ACC in scoring, but he's also the PG on a pretty bad team. He should be 1st team, but he should be no better than a darkhorse for PoY. It's not that the PoY has to come from a top team, but if it were just a matter of math, we'd let computers decide. It's just like the old "margin of victory" issue in college football, where running up the score actually fooled people.
I think Brogden, Johnson, Allen, and Barber are no-brainer first team all-acc. I think the fifth spot is pretty wide open. I think I'd personally lean towards picking Demetrius Jackson or Shelden McClellon, but I think you could make a defensible argument for Ingram, Blossomgame, Michael G., or Damian Lee.
While I think Allen has a pretty strong case for POY, I think it's a nearly foregone conclusion that Johnson or Brogden will be getting that award. Ingram is clearly ROY. I bet Larranega gets COY, but I personally (in my biased view) think K deserves it. This team has not only come a long way from the disorganized mess that showed up against UK, but managed to right the right after losing one of its best players.
While I think Allen has a pretty strong case for POY, I think it's a nearly foregone conclusion that Johnson or Brogden will be getting that award. Ingram is clearly ROY. I bet Larranega gets COY, but I personally (in my biased view) think K deserves it. This team has not only come a long way from the disorganized mess that showed up against UK, but managed to right the right after losing one of its best players.
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Yes, it's hard to understate how good Brogden is defensively. Against us, he basically held Grayson down during the first half and then shifted to BI in the middle of the second half and essentially shut him down (which, in turn, let Grayson get going). He's a better defensive version of Matt Jones who also serves as the focal point of UVA's offense. Further, I would add that it's harder to put up huge offensive numbers at UVA b/c of their slow pace of play -- meaning the 18-20 points he scores on a given night usually constitutes about 25-30% of his team's points in a low possession game. IMO, Brogden is the most effective all-around player in the league -- even if his NBA upside is a bit limited.
grayson is a lock imo...........that 5th spot is up for grabs...lee is a good candidate, but blossomgame is putting up great numbers as well
I think Damian Lee will get on the first team. Great player on one of the best teams in the conference. Also there is the factor of media sympathy for Lee.
Grayson is a LOCK. I still think Brandon could get to first team, but he needs to go off in a few of these final games.
Right now I would have it at......
Grayson Allen
Malcom Brogden
Kat Barber
Damien Lee
Bryce "I'm too scared to want the ball in the last ten minutes against a guy 100 pounds smaller than me" Johnson
Right on the cusp....
Brandon Ingram
Blossomgame (hard to judge because Clemson is hard to watch)
Demetrius Jackson- underrated
Right now I would have it at......
Grayson Allen
Malcom Brogden
Kat Barber
Damien Lee
Bryce "I'm too scared to want the ball in the last ten minutes against a guy 100 pounds smaller than me" Johnson
Right on the cusp....
Brandon Ingram
Blossomgame (hard to judge because Clemson is hard to watch)
Demetrius Jackson- underrated
Crazy to think that Miami is still in the hunt for the ACC crown and doesn't even have a player in the conversation for first team.
Is Rodriguez even a second teamer??? McCllelan??
Is Rodriguez even a second teamer??? McCllelan??
^thats why brice may get the POY and brogden get the DPOY....or else brodgen could sweep both...who was the last to get both or has anyone?????...Battier???
I don't know why the "either/or" there. I think Grayson has pretty well secured a 1st Team nod.
I would love to say Grayson is a lock too. And, he probably is. There is just so many good players in the ACC this year that it is like picking a date from a harem of 10s. lol
1 game left....
1st team: barber...grayson...brice...brogden...(blossomgame/lee/gbinjie.......2 of the 3 should be 2nd team)
ACCPoY: Brogden or Brice
ACCRoY: Brandon Ingram
CoY: Larrannaga
Rookie1st Team: Ingram, Bacon, Beasley, Rowan, (Richardson/Robinson/Kennard)
1st team: barber...grayson...brice...brogden...(blossomgame/lee/gbinjie.......2 of the 3 should be 2nd team)
ACCPoY: Brogden or Brice
ACCRoY: Brandon Ingram
CoY: Larrannaga
Rookie1st Team: Ingram, Bacon, Beasley, Rowan, (Richardson/Robinson/Kennard)
Those are the same members of the media who have spent three years trying to convince the world Paige was a POY-caliber guy.
While reading an article that listed all the ACC post season awards. I saw that Jaron Blossomgame of Clemson won Most Improved Player. I wonder how much consideration Grayson was given for that award considering he had the highest ppg increase from one season to the next in ACC history. I'm not trying to take anything away from Blossomgame just stating how much Grayson improved from a ppg standpoint.
Really glad for Brogdon...I dont see the kid doing taunts, staredowns at players on other teams or even staging "sit-ins" after his team drops a rare one...Its amazing how the media gives a pass to players on certain teams, lol...