Pretty funny that leading ACC schools now looking how to leave a) after they recently brought in lesser schools like LV and b) where they gonna go? Maybe VA/VT/ND to B1G and NC/NCSt/U/Klempsin to SEC with FSU the wild card?
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That is their issue. They are locked into a fraction of what the BIG10 and SEC are getting. FSU, CU, NC, Miami, ND and one more are pushing for unequal payouts because the smaller private schools don't bring anything to the conference. The other proposal is those schools abolish the conference, which they claim voids the contract. They need 8 votes but only have 5 because ND has no vote. If the ACC dissolves the SEC would add Miami, FSU, Clemson and NC. BIG 10 would grab NCST, UV, VT, and ND. The others left to fend for themselves. At least that is the word we are getting
There is a 3rd option as I understand it: 8 of the 14 could break off, dissolve the ACC and nuking the TV deal, and form a new conference.
Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC, NC St, Va Tech, UVa. The Magnificent 7. They'd need 1 more. Louisville or Georgia Tech or Pitt would be monumentally stupid to sit back and be dragged down by Duke/Wake/BC/Cuse.
As of yesterday they only have 5 full member willing to leave, ND not being a full member doesn't have a vote. I don't know enough about contract law, but my question, even if ACC dissolves will ESPN still not control each school's media rights.
Everything I have read indicated FSU and Clemson as the primary SEC targets. Also read that NC St prefers SEC and UNC prefers B1G and their state legislature wants them to travel as a pair. Most speculation I have read is the SEC would not be so interested in Miami.
It's a good question, but my gut tells me that teams don't hold that kind of sway now. The way the revenue has ballooned, the rest of the league is less inclined to listen to whining about turf.
OK, not sure of the attraction of FSU over U. They haven't been much of a factor for years & cannibalize current SEC geography while Miami brings a wider geography & population.
If Texas A&M couldn't block Texas than there are no blocks that anyone can use
How are they gonna get out of the GOR agreement that they all agreed to, all made impossible to get out of, and all signed?
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This schools should have thought about all the pro and cons before signing that long of a contract.
At the time I guess they thought it was a good trade off because ESPN gave them a conference network
I'll say what I said 10+ yrs ago when conference realignment were hot & heavy....I'd actually like to see an outside entity like a conference or the ncaa take a state owned and operated university to court, and challenge their right to associate and operate their athletics the way they best see fit. Or even better, an out if state conference entity require a state university to fork over tens of millions because they change conferences.
Yeah yeah don't be smart and say tv contracts are with athletic departments, which are independent of university sides. The real facts are Norvell is the head coach of Florida State, his boss is the AD, his boss is the university president, who is hire by a board, who are appointed by the Florida governor, who is elected by the citizens of Florida. An outside entity dictating association and financial choices by separate state government entities is a dubious courtroom claim.
A few thoughts:
1. There has always been a pact of the SEC Eastern schools to band together and prevent state rivals from entering (UL, Clemson, FSU, and GT). I don't know if this still exists.
2. I've always thought that FSU and Clemson don't add much to the footprint b/c those are not incremental TV markets. I don't know if this is still the way to look at it, as those are still two large brands.
3. I believe that the SEC has always coveted Virginia and North Carolina (as states) for the footprint, and preferably those two flagship schools. I don't believe that VT and NC State are as attractive. But, I am sure that those two schools, with their rich academics, would prefer the BIG 10 to the SEC.
4. I'm trying to figure out what number is critical mass for each conference. In other words, at what point does adding schools stop making financial sense? Does adding four ACC schools increase the TV dollars enough to increase the per school payout? I'm not sure, but this is a real issue for the Greg Sankeys of the world to figure out.
5. Some on there (Grumpy is one, IIRC) have always said that the SEC would grab schools like Clemson and FSU and GT to prevent the Big 10 from invading the SEC footprint. This has never made sense to me, but we're about to see how the conferences see it.
6. UL is always comical in these discussions. They always use their fixture on Friday night games that have decent ratings to try to convince the big boys that they matter. They don't. They might end up in the scrap heap that is the Big 12 but neither big conference wants them.
1. There has always been a pact of the SEC Eastern schools to band together and prevent state rivals from entering (UL, Clemson, FSU, and GT). I don't know if this still exists.
2. I've always thought that FSU and Clemson don't add much to the footprint b/c those are not incremental TV markets. I don't know if this is still the way to look at it, as those are still two large brands.
3. I believe that the SEC has always coveted Virginia and North Carolina (as states) for the footprint, and preferably those two flagship schools. I don't believe that VT and NC State are as attractive. But, I am sure that those two schools, with their rich academics, would prefer the BIG 10 to the SEC.
4. I'm trying to figure out what number is critical mass for each conference. In other words, at what point does adding schools stop making financial sense? Does adding four ACC schools increase the TV dollars enough to increase the per school payout? I'm not sure, but this is a real issue for the Greg Sankeys of the world to figure out.
5. Some on there (Grumpy is one, IIRC) have always said that the SEC would grab schools like Clemson and FSU and GT to prevent the Big 10 from invading the SEC footprint. This has never made sense to me, but we're about to see how the conferences see it.
6. UL is always comical in these discussions. They always use their fixture on Friday night games that have decent ratings to try to convince the big boys that they matter. They don't. They might end up in the scrap heap that is the Big 12 but neither big conference wants them.
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At one point before all the conference raiding started, UK, Carolina, UGA and UF supposedly had an agreement to keep FSU, GT, CU, Louisville and Miami. They would vote as a block against those teams if they applied to membership, 4 votes was enough to keep a school out. But with conference expansion, 4 votes won't keep a school out.
The catch is schools volunteer to join and play by the rules. They are not forced to join the NCAA. No one forced the ACC athletic directors and presidents to size a long term contract. At the time they were happy, now that the landscape of college athletics has changed the are not happy.
It's culture. Miami is a private school that gets most of its students from rich NE families. Also, the campus is not in a great part of town and they don't even have their own football stadium. They play in the half empty Dolphin's NFL stadium about 15 miles from campus. As a Floridan by birth, who has had family members graduate/play sports at both Miami and FSU, I can say that FSU is much more an SEC college town/tailgating culture fit. Also, Miami does not fund athletics like SEC or even ACC schools do. They would be like adding Vandy in every way, except football and that is because of all the Miami HS talent.
That’s what happens when college football fans are bored on a Friday night.
Great post, accurate to me. Fully with you on FSU & Klemp.
There ain't no way 4.4 million people have ever watched UofL play football on ABC TV, unless they were playing Notre Dame.
Hahaha little brother, enjoy receiving lesser conference revenue and more going to Clemson and FSU
It seems like the larger ACC schools are saying it should be divided differently, but do they have the votes to just "take" the smaller schools cut? Doubtful or they would have already done it.
Please, no UNC. I would trade away Vandy for Ga Tech, which I think was a charter member.
This topic has been beaten to a pulp so many times on this board seemingly the last decade plus.
I agree with others a nc and a virginal school make sense. I would say those 2 and Clemson and fsu to get to 20.
Idk how a 20 team conference works schedules wise but it is crazy. Way of the world though. In basketball I'd say play everyone one time and have one protected rival you play 2 times a year for 2 conference games for 20 total.
Football is trickier because are they really gonna go to like 10 conference games to not make scheduling a complete joke? Idk. In that case one protected rival every season and 9 on and 9 off every other season. Id love a 10 game schedule as big time SEC football is great.
I agree with others a nc and a virginal school make sense. I would say those 2 and Clemson and fsu to get to 20.
Idk how a 20 team conference works schedules wise but it is crazy. Way of the world though. In basketball I'd say play everyone one time and have one protected rival you play 2 times a year for 2 conference games for 20 total.
Football is trickier because are they really gonna go to like 10 conference games to not make scheduling a complete joke? Idk. In that case one protected rival every season and 9 on and 9 off every other season. Id love a 10 game schedule as big time SEC football is great.
I agree with your selection of teams to add to the SEC. If that were to happen, I would like to see four 5 team pods in football. Play the 4 teams in your pod and play 5 teams from one of the other pods each year. That way each team in your pod has an identical schedule.
A little off topic, there is a way for ACC teams to get out of the grant of rights. It would require a simple majority of memebers to leave the conference. The only way that will happen is if at least 8 teams have a landing spot in the SEC or BIG.
A little off topic, there is a way for ACC teams to get out of the grant of rights. It would require a simple majority of memebers to leave the conference. The only way that will happen is if at least 8 teams have a landing spot in the SEC or BIG.
I think Clemson and FSU would be done deals to the SEC. But the other 2 are not a sure thing. NC and Virginia consider themselves elite academically and look down on the SEC, I think they push hard for the Big10 invite. Maybe Miami won't be one of the 4, but their resume, other than Duke and NC in BB is better than anyone in the ACC.