AL lawmakers doubling down on recruiting over tax revenue

QuadrupleOption

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That's stupid as Hell. I'm not a big government guy, but that's income and they need to pay taxes on it. It's ******** that I have to pay taxes on mine and these guys would be getting all their money for free (from state taxes anyway).

College sports isn't life and I'm tired of people acting like it is.
 

TheDawg-Pound

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That's stupid as Hell. I'm not a big government guy, but that's income and they need to pay taxes on it. It's ******** that I have to pay taxes on mine and these guys would be getting all their money for free (from state taxes anyway).

College sports isn't life and I'm tired of people acting like it is.
The alternative is how much revenue it bring in. It might work for Georgia and Alabama but I'm not sure we'd bring in enough to offset.
Mississipi is working to cut state taxes anyway so it's only a matter of time. However that won't be for a while.
 

johnson86-1

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The alternative is how much revenue it bring in. It might work for Georgia and Alabama but I'm not sure we'd bring in enough to offset.
Mississipi is working to cut state taxes anyway so it's only a matter of time. However that won't be for a while.
I think the politics of giving tax breaks specifically to well paid college athletes is probably not good in Mississippi. Could be wrong about how sane or not our voters are, but just seems like a hard sell to say college athletes are going to make more than teachers but pay less in income tax.
 

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That's stupid as Hell. I'm not a big government guy, but that's income and they need to pay taxes on it. It's ******** that I have to pay taxes on mine and these guys would be getting all their money for free (from state taxes anyway).

College sports isn't life and I'm tired of people acting like it is.
I don't like it one bit, but from the government perspective it could make economic sense.

State Governments give tax breaks to businesses to spur the local economy all the time. In this case, the "business" is already a tax exempt, non profit entity. So, maybe the State can help that business attract better players by not taxing their income. Better players means better teams, which means happier fans spending more money!

Yeah, it's a stretch, and I don't even buy it, but it's not insane. The State tax is only about 5%, anyway.

If I was a professional athlete in those states, though, I would want to know why only college athletes are getting this gift.
 

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Asinine. The university does have a big impact on the state’s economy but so do a lot of other businesses who’s employees are required to pay the 2-5% state income tax. As long as there is a state income tax, you pay just like everyone else
 
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Dawgfan61

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Insane. So all the regular college students, alumni, staff, and faculty have to pay taxes on their income, but not these athletes? Why the f*** are they special? That's bs. We wonder why so many of these "kids" are entitled?
 

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The alternative is how much revenue it bring in. It might work for Georgia and Alabama but I'm not sure we'd bring in enough to offset.
Mississipi is working to cut state taxes anyway so it's only a matter of time. However that won't be for a while.
That doesn't matter. If nothing else, it's the appearance of preferential treatment. College athletics has already gone extremely overboard, so why add to it? Besides, if an athlete gets only a token amount (not a huge star) then he'll not have to pay any taxes anyway.
 

The Peeper

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and yet your average Jimmy's and Jane's working part time college jobs, summer jobs, and co-op work semester jobs have to pay taxes on income over $12,950

"Your filing status is also important in figuring out if you must file your taxes. In 2023, single students under 65 needed to file taxes if their gross income was at least $12,950"
 

ckDOG

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I think it’s about holding a slim recruiting edge.

How many businesses have been recruited to MS/AL by giving huge Statle and local tax breaks?

“Don’t go the MSU, they’ll tax you, we won’t”
Oh it's definitely about that. None of these legislators care about the players they just don't want their alma mater to lose out on a recruit to Florida, Tennessee, or a Texas school bc they don't have state income tax to deal with.

Too bad. You run a state not a football program.
 

MSUDOG24

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I think it’s about holding a slim recruiting edge.

How many businesses have been recruited to MS/AL by giving huge Statle and local tax breaks?

“Don’t go the MSU, they’ll tax you, we won’t”
This. Started in GA and would guess it came about because their "rival" can offer no state income tax so we need to do that. AL see that and says hold on now and we are off to the races.
 
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Dawgzilla2

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Asinine. The university does have a big impact on the state’s economy but so do a lot of other businesses who’s employees are required to pay the 2-5% state income tax. As long as there is a state income tax, you pay just like everyone else
But the economic impact of those other businesses is not directly related to their ability to attract the best employees. There are some exceptions, sure, but most businesses will have the same economic impact as long as their employees are good enough.

Maybe restaurants should demand tax breaks for head chefs and bartenders. And attractive waitresses.

To repeat: I do not support this tax break at all, I just see a little logic to it beyond "go team!!"
 

ckDOG

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I don't like it one bit, but from the government perspective it could make economic sense.

State Governments give tax breaks to businesses to spur the local economy all the time. In this case, the "business" is already a tax exempt, non profit entity. So, maybe the State can help that business attract better players by not taxing their income. Better players means better teams, which means happier fans spending more money!

Yeah, it's a stretch, and I don't even buy it, but it's not insane. The State tax is only about 5%, anyway.

If I was a professional athlete in those states, though, I would want to know why only college athletes are getting this gift.
You can make this argument in a vacuum but it turns into a slippery slope hell very quickly. "Hey you don't think my job contributes to the economy? Carve me out or enjoy losing your next election". You start doing this and we end up carving out the tax base before you know it.
 

johnson86-1

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Oh it's definitely about that. None of these legislators care about the players they just don't want their alma mater to lose out on a recruit to Florida, Tennessee, or a Texas school bc they don't have state income tax to deal with.

Too bad. You run a state not a football program.
I know it's wayyyyy too much to expect out of elected officials, but it'd be nice if the ones getting behind this also had the thought of "I wonder if anybody else is deterred from locating here because of high taxes..."

It's like all these geniuses pointing out that the costs of tariffs largely fall on consumers. It'd be nice if just one of them had the thought, "by golly, I wonder if there are any other taxes where the burden of the tax doesn't primarily fall on the party remitting the money to the government."

But might as well with for farts that smell like lilac. Probably not technically physically impossible to happen, but just not realistically going to.
 
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jethreauxdawg

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What? Bruh, its clearly the teams that make it possible for the universities to even have employees.**
Your priorities are mixed up.
You jest, but it has sadly come close to that. Or maybe “athletes allow universities to exist the way they do now with absurd amounts of money being spent on everything except the actual learning.”
 
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ckDOG

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I know it's wayyyyy too much to expect out of elected officials, but it'd be nice if the ones getting behind this also had the thought of "I wonder if anybody else is deterred from locating here because of high taxes..."

It's like all these geniuses pointing out that the costs of tariffs largely fall on consumers. It'd be nice if just one of them had the thought, "by golly, I wonder if there are any other taxes where the burden of the tax doesn't primarily fall on the party remitting the money to the government."

But might as well with for farts that smell like lilac. Probably not technically physically impossible to happen, but just not realistically going to.
Indeed. Policy preferences aside, I think most people here would agree that elected representatives not facing a term limit in our republic rarely have the balls to make tough decisions and will always defer to whatever stance keeps their job and the contributions flowing. Yet despite most of us nodding our head in agreement with that, we still love us some incumbent and keep sending the two flavors of spend more/dont fund it and tax less/don't cut back to office over and over and over to give us this big box of government **** that nobody really likes. Brilliant!
 

8dog

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What? Bruh, its clearly the teams that make it possible for the universities to even have employees.**
Your priorities are mixed up.
To be fair , it ultimately is or will be. Get rid of sports and see how many university jobs go away too
 
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Darryl Steight

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The alternative is how much revenue it bring in. It might work for Georgia and Alabama but I'm not sure we'd bring in enough to offset.
Mississipi is working to cut state taxes anyway so it's only a matter of time. However that won't be for a while.
I'm guessing that won't matter. If our neighboring states start doing that to gain a competitive recruiting advantage, our state will do it anyway. Lane and Walker Manning and David and Dickie and crew will make sure of that.
 

BulldogBlitz

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Since nil isn't tied to play (pay for play), and it seems awfully loose with the endorsement/likeness, doesn't seem like an earned income at all. Will be interesting to see how it all falls out in the next few years.
 

johnson86-1

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Since nil isn't tied to play (pay for play), and it seems awfully loose with the endorsement/likeness, doesn't seem like an earned income at all. Will be interesting to see how it all falls out in the next few years.
I'm not sure what context you are using "earned income" in, but pretty sure that's going to be treated as just strait self employment income. The gray area is going to be whether every state the athlete plays a game in has a right to a cut of that money (as with professional athletes) or whether since nominally they have to claim it's not pay for play, that income is all earned in the state of their college. I would assume this is a function over form situation and the pay is going to be taxable the same way professional athletes are taxed if any state wants to make an issue of it.
 

QuadrupleOption

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Well, Florida, Tennessee and Texas don't have a state income tax, so maybe that's why?
Then Alabama should eliminate the state income tax. Not treat athletes like royalty.

what’s next - exempting them from pesky laws like sexual assault? I mean, they bring in a lot of money, right?
 

OG Goat Holder

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I know it's wayyyyy too much to expect out of elected officials, but it'd be nice if the ones getting behind this also had the thought of "I wonder if anybody else is deterred from locating here because of high taxes..."

It's like all these geniuses pointing out that the costs of tariffs largely fall on consumers. It'd be nice if just one of them had the thought, "by golly, I wonder if there are any other taxes where the burden of the tax doesn't primarily fall on the party remitting the money to the government."

But might as well with for farts that smell like lilac. Probably not technically physically impossible to happen, but just not realistically going to.
So you want no taxes?
 

OG Goat Holder

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Well, Florida, Tennessee and Texas don't have a state income tax, so maybe that's why?
Legislators don't have the balls to just go ahead and drop the whole income tax. They just want to pass BS like this to coddle players even further.

At least TateR is trying.
 

johnson86-1

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So you want no taxes?
??

i don’t think wanting politicians or people in general to understand deadweight loss and tax incidence implies wanting no taxes or even low taxes. I guess voters understanding deadweight loss and tax incidence probably would tend to push taxes lower as there would probably be riots if people really understood they were paying closer to 15% in fica taxes than 7.65% (or even 11%)
 
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I think it’s about holding a slim recruiting edge.

How many businesses have been recruited to MS/AL by giving huge Statle and local tax breaks?

“Don’t go the MSU, they’ll tax you, we won’t”
Ha, more likely that they are hearing, "Well if I go to Texas or Tennessee, I won't have to pay state taxes."