Biden made a bunch of racially insensitive comments that the left declares racist when they don’t know the source. They then elected him president.
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Alec Baldwin kills someone on movie set
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-i dislike Baldwin as he is a giant turd...but anyone who would give Don Jr a *penny* is a rube.
My mother was pretty extreme on gun safety. While playing “army”, she wouldn’t allow us to point our gun mimicking hand gestures at our enemies.(true)
I still blame her for my poor aim.(not so true)
I still blame her for my poor aim.(not so true)
The level of stupidity, on all levels of those involved or in charge, to allow that to take place on a movie set is mind numbing. How many peoples hands did that gun pass through with no one checking the round for it to get into a position to kill someone?
If this had been a conservative actor, the articles and reports would be endless, but since it's a lib douche like Baldwin, the MSM nut huggers are as silent as mice and will spin this as hard as they can to help Baldwin out.
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This thread is beyond comical. The guy actually killed a woman and some here defend him due to his political opinions. You lefties really do believe the law doesn’t apply to you. (May be true unfortunately).
I’d be SHOCKED if conservatives defended someone in this positions based on politics, and if they did, myself and many others would condemn them and their opinions.
The person solely responsible in a situation like this is the person holding and firing the gun. He didn’t check and clear the weapon and then he intentionally aimed it at a woman for absolutely no reason.
Either you lefties will defend your own to death, or you just don’t know a damn thing about guns and gun safety. Ignorance was not bliss in this case.
I’d be SHOCKED if conservatives defended someone in this positions based on politics, and if they did, myself and many others would condemn them and their opinions.
The person solely responsible in a situation like this is the person holding and firing the gun. He didn’t check and clear the weapon and then he intentionally aimed it at a woman for absolutely no reason.
Either you lefties will defend your own to death, or you just don’t know a damn thing about guns and gun safety. Ignorance was not bliss in this case.
Not sure if this was already answered as I just opened the thread and don't want to go thru 10 pages...
That said I wondered the same thing. I heard an interview on 700 wlw with somebody in movie business...forget their role, but long story short he said actors are trained to point the gun away from other actors intentionally.
I'm assuming this is to avoid this type of accident but in this instance it struck someone else on set.
I highly doubt any actor clears the gun. They have people that do this for them. The person who did this was very untrained and the movie had been turned down by a well known prop master. This link discusses that in detail.
Fwiw I'm a Republican and certainly don't blame Baldwin for the shooting itself, no matter if he is a jacka** or not.
Ahh, so you’re claiming that other actors not clearing their weapons as they should clears Baldwin? The only thing that shows is other actors are guilty of this unsafe and dangerous practice, and have been lucky to not be involved in this kind of situation.
There were apparently several cases of live rounds being fired on accident in this movie set alone. Now I agree the prop people should ensure there are no live rounds, but the person firing is still ultimately responsible and has an absolute responsibility to check. The stakes are too high to just trust someone else.
I have a feeling the word “prop” being put in front of the word gun is confusing people. This is a real gun that fires real ammo. There is not a circumstance in existence where it’s ok for someone to take said gun, aim it at a person, and pull the trigger without clearing the weapon, movie set or otherwise. Other people getting away with being stupid does not clear the person who wasn’t so lucky.
The fact he was aiming it at someone not in the movie and while not filming adds a whole new level of negligence. This was not a live scene where he was being directed. He made a series of choices that lead to a woman’s death.
My father in law used to make low budget films a few decades ago, and I can flat guarantee if this happened on one of his sets, the person who pulled the trigger would be charged and convicted. No one would have thought twice about it either. The ONLY reason there is even debate here is because his name is Baldwin.
Overall, this thread's a great example of why every Democrat and Republican needs to be flushed down into the sewer with all the rest of the crap.
You're all clogging up my country and the stench is becoming unbearable.
You're all clogging up my country and the stench is becoming unbearable.
Haha, I’d love to know why you deserve to be on that pedestal you’ve placed yourself on.
He probably doesn't celebrate someone dying because the person doesn't agree with his or hers politics.
You don't think Baldwin holds any blame in this? Am I understanding that right?
Does anyone here know the politics of the deceased woman? I sure don’t…
Also don’t see anyone celebrating her death, but pointing out the person responsible should be held accountable.
Yeah, one would need to explain to me how an actor would be at blame for a tragedy like this. They are actors. They have zero responsibility to check what they believe to be a prop gun to see if there are real bullets in it.
If Baldwin loaded the gun with real bullets and pulled the trigger, absolutely he is to blame and that is murder.
These move sets have prop people, armor people, etc all who are responsible for this.
Now what I will say is if the link is true that producers of the film (Baldwin included) cut corners and skated budget to make the movie, yeah he has fault there.
The simple act of the shot though, don't see how he is to blame for that. There are hundreds if not thousands of movies where shots are fired through a whole movie. Do you think Keanu Reeves checked every gun for real bullets in Jack Wick??
We can just agree to disagree. I can care less if it was Baldwin or Kermit the Frog. This has nothing to do with who did it. Fwiw I think Baldwin is a POS in general and it has nothing to do with this incident.
Movies have people who are responsible for this. I think the evidence will show ultimately that this movie didn't have enough or the right people handling the props/armor. Actors aren't checking/clearing guns man, I have no idea what you are talking about. Trained professionals on sets do that. If actors were doing it these kinds of incidents would happen far more often.
He violated several industry standards. He was not just an actor either. You may want to read the thread or at least go back and read the post about industry standards.
I listened to a person in the industry talk about it. The whole thing.
I do think John Wayne said “ahh hell, get outta my way”. And meant it. No if, ands, or buts. Who the hell is John Wick?
Must be great to be an actor…
If you handed me a gun and told me it was clear, and then I shot someone, I’d have a one way ticket to prison.
Ahh well when you put it that way, it makes perfect sense.
I never considered the fact that having multiple people check, to include the person pulling the trigger would increase the likelihood of this happening. Stupid me thought it may just add one more level of safety to prevent a tragedy like this.
Im an airline captain and I fly all over the world. Everywhere we go, we work with maintenance and gateway personnel to ensure the highest level of safety. I’ll be sure to inform my employer that I, the one flying the plane, will actually lower the level of safety by checking to make sure everyone else did their job properly. That kind of redundant checking can only make things worse…
Thank you for your insight.
Got any free flight hook ups?
Thanks for what you do. I am sure it is a stressful job.
I doubt you check the engine before flight though right? Because you aren't an engineer or mechanic. Your mechanics tell you everything is in order and you check that mark on the pre-flight list. Just like you don't check every passenger on the plane to see if they have something illegal on board. That is up to security.
I’m not sure why anyone would even argue that if Baldwin were a Republican that we’d have a different take on this. It’s stupid. We true republicans are careful with firearms.
We've got a lot of gun safety experts on here that don't know **** about guns. One even applies the same naïve ignorance and thinks he's an expert on airline preflight checks and maintenance.
I've had multiple flights cancelled by the captain due to failed preflight safety checks. There are these little newfangled electronic instruments they use to check that ****, I think.
I've had multiple flights cancelled by the captain due to failed preflight safety checks. There are these little newfangled electronic instruments they use to check that ****, I think.
Well, sorry to burst your bubble, but I do walk around before each flight and check every part of the plane I can see, to include the engines. I don’t open panels, but an exterior check along with checking all indications is part of every preflight.
Guess what happens if I don’t check and then something goes wrong? You guessed it, it’s on me, as I’m considered the last line of safety and the one who is ultimately responsible. Once I sign on the line, I’ve acknowledged everyone else did their job and now I’m the one responsible.
You’re acting like someone clearing a weapon is some great and difficult task. It takes all of 3 seconds and there is ZERO excuse for not doing it. Once an actor takes the gun from the prop person, it’s now that actors responsibility to handle it in a proper manner.
I find your example of what you do to not be the greatest. Are you implying that you check the engine and all the airplane parts and gears before flight, and since you’re the one flying the plane that if there is a crash you should be held responsible? I personally think you should really be in charge of the flying mainly.
Never said I was an expert in anything related to flying. The pilot made an analogy and I questioned it. Not incorrectly I might add.
If you read and listen to the facts about this case and what the experts in this industry say you'd still have your same opinion.
You are still allowed to disagree in this country...that is an ok thing. I'm stating facts about the industry, you are stating opinion.
Conservatives would NEVER defend Baldwin (if he was a conservative): we believe in "personal responsibility"... which is a foreign concept for liberals.
Lol. Wait. So you are equating a mode of transportation that is under federal government compliance and regulations and subject to federal funding (FAA) to the same compliance to a movie gun which it's use is depicted to simulate killing in a movie as the same thing? Hahaha
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I started to write out a long response to your nonsense, but ultimately decided it’s not worth it. You don’t have the first clue what you’re talking about. Stick to you day job of being some sort of medical professional.
I couldn't point a real gun at a person unless I was prepared to kill them, much less pull the trigger. Even after I do a mandatory check and find it unloaded, which I do EVERY TIME I pick up a gun. Every. Time . Even if I know I was the last one to touch it a few hours ago. I check it. It's called gun safety.
They are not toys. If actors treat them as such, people will die just as we've seen here.
I don’t know what has upset you guys. He said as a captain he was responsible for the safety of the flight, I didn’t realize that and thought it sounded like an unfair standard. What? I don’t get it. Did you guys know that that aren’t pilots? I didn’t compare it to the Baldwin situation in the slightest, I don’t give a **** about that situation at all truth be told. It was just a side conversation with the pilot asking if that’s true. Don’t you guys think the pilot having responsibility over the engine is kinda crazy?
I wish I hadn’t brought up my professional as a comparison in responsibility. Even though it does apply, most won’t understand how.
The bottom line is once I’m given a plane and I’ve performed all of my required checks and signed off on them, I’m taking responsibility. If something goes wrong due to something I should have seen or known about, but didn’t due to negligence, I’m liable in every way.
The same thing applies here. He was given a weapon and has a responsibility to check it out for safety purposes. If someone gets hurt and dies due to his negligent handling of the weapon, it’s on him. I don’t care who held it before him or what they told him. You don’t pull a weapon and pull that trigger unless you damn well know what’s in it. Failure to do so is pure negligence. End of story.
The bottom line is once I’m given a plane and I’ve performed all of my required checks and signed off on them, I’m taking responsibility. If something goes wrong due to something I should have seen or known about, but didn’t due to negligence, I’m liable in every way.
The same thing applies here. He was given a weapon and has a responsibility to check it out for safety purposes. If someone gets hurt and dies due to his negligent handling of the weapon, it’s on him. I don’t care who held it before him or what they told him. You don’t pull a weapon and pull that trigger unless you damn well know what’s in it. Failure to do so is pure negligence. End of story.
I'm not upset. I was laughing at that asinine comparison.