Rewatch the Montini - JCA title game. I think ty Isaac had about 500 yards.
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I'll give this a shot......
QB - OToole
RB - Broadner
RB - Isaac
WR - Westercamp
WR - Davis
TE - Fumagali
Can't remember enough linemen so I'll just stay with the skill guys. I think I could win a few games with this group
QB - OToole
RB - Broadner
RB - Isaac
WR - Westercamp
WR - Davis
TE - Fumagali
Can't remember enough linemen so I'll just stay with the skill guys. I think I could win a few games with this group
Per ESPN Chicago: Perez has rushed for 1,930 yards and 29 touchdowns on 181 carries. He has averaged 10.7 yards per run. He has caught 30 passes for 391 yards and two touchdowns. He has returned two punts for touchdowns. He also has 59 tackles, 19 of them going for a loss. He was 5' 11" 200. He looked much stronger than Brodner from what I can recall from 2009. Though I only saw Brodner one time on Comcast TV. Only kidding (really!) Okay , all these guys were good
Tribune had Perez's final stats as:
- Numbers: 192 carries, 2,246 yards, 34 TDs; 35 catches, 441 yards, 2 TDs. 9sacks on defense.
They're both great. That first run in that video is my personal fave. Just posted that on FB as it popped up as a memory.
Another great one was the one handed catch on 4th and 15 on the sideline against HC to keep the go ahead drive alive. Dude has some serious paws.
He would have happily played both ways but GW had the best LB corps in the state last year so he wasn't needed
Another great one was the one handed catch on 4th and 15 on the sideline against HC to keep the go ahead drive alive. Dude has some serious paws.
He would have happily played both ways but GW had the best LB corps in the state last year so he wasn't needed
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You're right, he didn't have to, maybe it's not fair but that's what seperated Perez from Brodner in my mind. My thoughts mean very little, just another fans opinion but both were unbelievable, if I ran a 3 back system Brodner would be my 3rd starter. I prefer bigger backs (assuming they are also freak athletes) to smaller backs like Jackson/Ferguson.
He has had a great career, no doubt.
I do not believe his High School years stacked up to those of Perez and Isaac.
This becomes a lot like the Heisman winner production in the NFL debate that always arises.
Gabe Green, QB @ SHG had 10,394 total yards and 2 titles in his career; 8030 passing and 2364 rushing.
I would buy that if they ran the same style offense, but they didn't. It's a false equivalency. This whole thread is all a big game of "would you rather" where my response to any players mentioned here is just "yeah, I'll take that one."
I get that, and I agree comparing stats in football is less conclusive than it is in other sports, like baseball. Less conclusive, but not irrelevant. Double the yards per carry is staggering.
Wrong
Brodner's stats are:
Senior year - 1,907 yards rushing, 351 yards Receiving, 47 TDs
Junior Year - 1,950 yards rushing, 420 yards Receiving, 27 TDs
Brodner was 1st Team All-State as a junior as well.
I won't say anything to disparage Perez, but you obviously never watched Brodner play football or followed this board discussion much. Most who have followed the Western Suburbs pegged Brodner as the best RB of the last few decades in the combined WSS/WSG.
Brodner lost 1 game at any level of high school and that was the 8A semi to eventual winner Stevie.
Pump the brakes on trash talking the other guys in the discussion. Stick to praising your guy.
This should be solely HS career, citing college and NFL is not really relevant.
Justin Jackson has to be at either CB or RB, Perez also there and Issac, so they likely make JJ a corner.
Schutt made HS kids look silly, and is a lock as a tackle.
Westerkamp is another lock, as is Brian Allen.
Justin Jackson has to be at either CB or RB, Perez also there and Issac, so they likely make JJ a corner.
Schutt made HS kids look silly, and is a lock as a tackle.
Westerkamp is another lock, as is Brian Allen.
Capn....I honestly don't see where I was trash talking. Just compared the stats, as they appeared on IHSA and pointed out I thought one set of stats was better than the other. If they were wrong....well, not surprising given that it's the IHSA. I will just end saying Matt Perez probably had the most successful career in Illinois high school football history when you combine the personal accolades and team accomplishments. Brodner (only 1 championship, not named All-American) is half a step behind. Which is not a bad place to be.
Perez was simply a football player. Gotta put him on the field and let him make plays. Not unlike Dergo
Exactly Bones!
Matt's combination of strength and speed was lethal. He held almost every MS power lifting record. Amazing for a back that weighed between 200-210 lbs.
Would have been fun to watch him compete in the Big 10 if he had stayed healthy!
My issue isn't with the fact that Perez needs to be on the field. On your team, Bones and 95% of the folks on this board, he is on the field.
You just zero'd in on Brodner and used flawed stats to prove Brodner was somehow less of a back.
I just watched the 2008 MS title game and part of the 2009 game and MS had an amazing offense led by stud QBs that could run, hard, and throw the ball (3,500+ yards (wow what an amazing team!)). Perez does look like a great running back and I can imagine those that saw him play are passionate about supporting him.
There really isn't a comparison between MS and the offenses run by GW and GN showcasing a Brodner and Jackson. Those offenses basically tell you where the ball is going within a split second of the snap and sometimes before the snap. Both those guys drew everyone's focus every play.
I have said on this board that I never understood how Jackson gained so many yards out of the Power I. He ran the ball 40 times a game for an average of 250 yards. Do I discount him because he only averaged 6 yards a carry? Or do I remain astonished that the guy was man enough to carry the ball 40 times and STILL gain 250 yards when EVERYONE knew he was getting the ball?
Oh, and then he has to go play CB. Just crazy what that dude accomplished in his years at GN.
Cap'n :
No knock on Brodner or Jackson. Both amazing football players. But remember, when you mention Jackson going to play corner, Perez went and lined up at linebacker. He was an awfully good backer too.
Indiana had him up to 225 pounds during his redshirt freshman year. He had won the starting spot according to the IU coaches before his true freshman year, then blew out his knee. Wins the job again as a redshirt freshman, the injures his back and done.
I will always wonder "what if".
No knock on Brodner or Jackson. Both amazing football players. But remember, when you mention Jackson going to play corner, Perez went and lined up at linebacker. He was an awfully good backer too.
Indiana had him up to 225 pounds during his redshirt freshman year. He had won the starting spot according to the IU coaches before his true freshman year, then blew out his knee. Wins the job again as a redshirt freshman, the injures his back and done.
I will always wonder "what if".
769 carries during Junior & Senior season combined. Across 25 games, that is an average of 31 carries a games. Every game. For two years. Ugh. And everyone knows your getting the ball.
Look up workhorse in the IHSA dictionary and you find JJ
Last point on Brodner from me (as if):
Brods played on a wet-toupee of Duchon Field 7 times each year. As a returning all-state in '15, Brook (with Tuf), HS (with King), and York loaded the box on a field coming off a recent flood. Against Brook he had 59 yards on 23 carries in slop. HS game was held up, then played after a flash thunderstorm passed. And he gain 30 against York in a 41-14 GW win.
And don't forget MC playoff game. One way to look at is "Brodner held to 5 yards a carry (29-145) but those in attendance might characterize otherwise.
What I remember was 6-7k people all knowing who would get the ball on the last 6 min drive. Finishing that 7-0 victory by taking a knee required a heroic (if I may overstate the meaning of a high school football game) effort by Brods the Bod.
I'll take Brods on my team anytime.
Brods played on a wet-toupee of Duchon Field 7 times each year. As a returning all-state in '15, Brook (with Tuf), HS (with King), and York loaded the box on a field coming off a recent flood. Against Brook he had 59 yards on 23 carries in slop. HS game was held up, then played after a flash thunderstorm passed. And he gain 30 against York in a 41-14 GW win.
And don't forget MC playoff game. One way to look at is "Brodner held to 5 yards a carry (29-145) but those in attendance might characterize otherwise.
What I remember was 6-7k people all knowing who would get the ball on the last 6 min drive. Finishing that 7-0 victory by taking a knee required a heroic (if I may overstate the meaning of a high school football game) effort by Brods the Bod.
I'll take Brods on my team anytime.
He's the best running back I've ever watched live, and what's crazy is he's always probably been best suited as a safety.
What he has done at the collegiate level is simply astounding. The Northwestern line has been the worst it's been in years while he's been in Evanston, and he still puts up yards. His YPC is not an accurate barometer, as he breaks 2 tackles before he can even see the LOS...
What Jackson does so well is allude direct hits. Its like they can never get a good lick on him.
Don't forget Grahm Glasgow at Guard..........all state at Marmion, 3 year starter at Michigan and currently on Detroit Lions
Garrett Gobel...Montini
I considered both those guys but don't think they were as good as the 5 I listed.