Not sure if you follow Jay on social media, but those of us with that opinion of Jay have formed it over years of following him and his posts on social media, not simply this issue.
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Not sure if you follow Jay on social media, but those of us with that opinion of Jay have formed it over years of following him and his posts on social media, not simply this issue.
Sky I have the same ability in tripping myself on the steps, the ground, pavement, sidewalk, pretty much anywhere walking upright is required. Its nothing that going back in time 10 years and not riding a motorcycle couldn't fix or either taking physical rehab more seriously and not putting it off until "later". Did it New Year's Eve and I wasn't even drinking yet. Its worse when people are watching.
And on the continuing saga of TV sportcasters criticizing Coach K and Duke for allowing Grayson to play "too soon" in their opinion you can add me to the list of listeners or fans who think its time for Bilas and Jwill to stop trying to prove to the basketball world that they are fair and impartial when discussing Duke. When was the last time anyone actually heard JB or JW actually support K. They might as well have gone to school and CheaterHill U. Coach K has the right to play whomever he wishes whenever he likes as long as he is the head coach. as far as UNCheats or any other group of fans agreeing on K's decisions, well they can just choke on their hate because they cannot change a thing about Duke.
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My theory is that K met with all the players including Allen and decided it wasn't right to unduly punish the whole team by sitting Grayson (in effect that's what was happening with him out). Instead, I think the team decided to limit Grayson's shots and told him to set up his teammates more than he normally would by driving hard and kicking. It makes sense to me to have Grayson playing for everyone else rather than not playing at all (and leaving everyone out to dry) after selfishly acting out in a game. K alluded to Grayson's "new role" in that Bilas interview.
I would argue the good analyst part shey. I frankly think he is bad at it. I don't really care about his opinion on the matter. I do think some of his opinion is likeability driven. Meaning if he comes down hard on the Duke guy, he gets more points with Duke's many detractors. I like Williams, but I think he has his career in mind more than anything else. The louder he shouts his "opinion," the more attenion he gets. No problem from me on that as he needs to put food on the table.
vcugreg are you serious? there's no way UNcheats would ever consider having Grayson Allen or his type of player on their team. Their standards are much too high for allowing such shenanigans a player like Grayson would bring to CheatersHill. What a bunch or morons they are, when the NCAA finishes with them they'll be having a mass exodus of fans supporting the school because they will be so ashamed of anyone finding out they supported the Carolina Way.
They really would not like the fact that he is a legitimate student
Article about his academics for those interested. He'll certainly have a unique perspective as a sports psychologist.
everyone isnt going to agree with the punishment ( I personally thought 3-5/leaning towards 3) , but if it was your kid, how much is enough??...what we do know is that the kid has faced public shame, humiliation, and ridicule....he was suspended one game for one infraction this season..he was stripped of his captaincy..we don't know all the behind the scenes demands and expectations that he now has to adhere to...like schlereth said on mike and mike, do you want his first born as well?....heck draymond green was kicking/hitting guys in the balls and got one game
I will say this, the "being stripped of the captaincy" thing is REALLY really undervalued by basically everyone. That has got to be the absolute worst part of the whole thing for Grayson. Being a captain of the Duke men's basketball team is a BIG ******* deal, and means a LOT to a person. Being stripped of that is as horrifyingly embarrassing as possible.
Now there's a thread over at RR with a gif from the game against Yale from the Sweet 16 last year where a Yale player tripped while driving to the basket and they're trying to say that Grayson tripped him just because Grayson was in a defensive stance when the Yale player drove passed him and tripped
I thought Jay articulated very well last night that K has Grayson's best interests in mind. Especially when Shrek Greenberg tried to implicate that K being selfish in his ending of the suspension. Even the moderator had to flat out ask if Greenberg was implying that and he wouldn't answer the question. Jay then spoke up for K.
I think in general we like to defend our favorite things (teams, foods, etc) and opposition to that is irksome. I don't think Bilas and Williamds are too far in any direction. I think they are fulfilling needs of their jobs. Every summer they are back with the players and coaches and kids s patrons at camps They've done plenty to show their true colors.
I think in general we like to defend our favorite things (teams, foods, etc) and opposition to that is irksome. I don't think Bilas and Williamds are too far in any direction. I think they are fulfilling needs of their jobs. Every summer they are back with the players and coaches and kids s patrons at camps They've done plenty to show their true colors.
If RR is the crazy over a one game suspension for tripping. Their head would have exploded if Grayson had been arrested for laying in the highway drunk with his car in the median. Whew! Glad that didn't happen.
Amen....As I've stated here before both should tune in and watch Grant Hill do a CBS Duke broadcast. He by far and away comes across as neutral during a Duke game he works.
The ego of Bilas is thru the ceiling and I think he's been JayWill's mentor at ESPN on how to bend over backwards to appease John Skipper.I am grateful for everything they did at Duke and their contributions, but they've taken it way over the top....
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Agreed. I expected the hate but unx fans?! WTF? Gotta be the most oblivious mofos on the planet. At what point do any of 'em wise up an' say , "Ya know maybe we should sit this one out? We've got our own issues...much worse than Duke's btw!!!...so it might be prudent not to put our hypocrisy back on display for the gazillionth time in the last 6 years." Heck , PJ ALONE should be enough to make 'em stay quiet about Grayson...
Seth Greenberg is a bit hypocritical too. One game for this. One...
The internet eliminated a great highlight show, with fun people, and turned it into pro wrestling.
And who do we thank for all that...?
I didn't even know about this. Since I'm being super conspiracy guy, that guy did it. Not the accessibility of the Internet!
I think espn went the way of a lot of other media entities and lost sight of the target market.
I'm not even sure what thier target audience is anymore. It isn't me, because I don't like loud noises, and exaggerated hand gestures, Or balloon animals!
That's my point- the people who watch are guys who want to watch sports; that's why we tune in. It isn't tmz and people on their soap boxes, making **** up and blowing things completely out of proportion to the point that it is unwatchable.
I am also getting pretty sick of Bilas and Jay going so far out of their way to show that they have no Duke bias. it is getting a bit extreme.
Yep, Bilas always wants to show everyone that he is the smartest guy in the room.
Bilas I don't mind, because I think he's really good at what he does. IMO, he's the best in the business. He does go a little harder on Duke sometimes....but I don't let something so irrelevant get me down.
As for Jay Will, I just don't think he's very good as a commentator or analyst. Period. I love him as a former Duke player and loved watching him do the things he did on the court while here. But again, whether he says something nice or not about Duke, I just don't feel he's very good at his job.
As for Jay Will, I just don't think he's very good as a commentator or analyst. Period. I love him as a former Duke player and loved watching him do the things he did on the court while here. But again, whether he says something nice or not about Duke, I just don't feel he's very good at his job.
I guess I will have to endure your disappointment because the way Jason Williams has gone over the top in regards to "one of our own" is ridiculous. Quite frankly, I don't give a damn if JWill is one of our greats or a 4 year bench player, his reaction to Grayson Allen his entire career makes me go hmmm
Bilas spends 80% of his air time critquing calls and opining the state of basketball. It was fun when he first started but it's unwatchable now. Just call the damn game and pick your moments, Jay.
Speaking of Jay Will as a CBB analyst only.......it makes me think of when former NY Giant Tiki Barber ended his playing career and started a broadcasting career. Right out of the gate Tiki tried WAY too hard to be cutting edge, controversial about everything. It was cringeworthy, and his broadcasting days were short. I don't wish ill on Jay Will's career, but I get the same feeling when he's on a game. Have opinions, of course. Speak your mind, definitely. But he seems to me to try WAY too hard to be THAT guy, like he needs to be over the top about all things, Duke in particular.
That's just how I see it.
Alan
That's just how I see it.
Alan
I think ESPN is over-concerned with diversity. A year ago, I used to wake up to Sportscenter and its male anchors who were usually knowledgeable and always funny. Now it is Sportscenter AM with 2 female panelists who know little about sports and two males who also suck. And Doris Burke doing mens basketball? C'mon man!
Bilas is morphing more and more into Billy Packer everyday IMO.....That can suddenly mean top of the mountain one day, and forced out the next...
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They just don't have the natural on-air talent they used to (Stewart, a young Vitale, Kenny Mayne, etc.). Also rare now is the consistent, measured delivery of someone like Jim Nantz or Dan Schulman. Everything has to be cute and catchy. Women have to be hot and men have to be controversial. Most news is going the way of sensationalism. Honestly I don't think most viewers really care. It's about quantity and shock value rather than quality.
For those wondering why Bilas seems to be breaking down every foul call this year while calling a game, here is an article stating he's part of a new NCAA Competition Committee. They were talking about it on twitter and determined this might be the reason for his painstakingly long correct/incorrect foul call breakdowns this year. Just thought you guys might be interested. He drove me nuts during the Kansas game earlier this year. I don't mind a breakdown of a foul call, but let's not keep talking about it 4 possessions later...
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources...-men-s-basketball-competition-committee-forms
“This is an important substructure of the Men’s Basketball Oversight Committee, as this group will be charged with reviewing several key aspects of the game,” ... “The competition committee will focus on strategies to maintain the popularity and relevance of the sport and keep the game playable for our student-athletes and watchable for our fans. We are confident this group is going to make significant contributions to the betterment of college basketball.”
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources...-men-s-basketball-competition-committee-forms
“This is an important substructure of the Men’s Basketball Oversight Committee, as this group will be charged with reviewing several key aspects of the game,” ... “The competition committee will focus on strategies to maintain the popularity and relevance of the sport and keep the game playable for our student-athletes and watchable for our fans. We are confident this group is going to make significant contributions to the betterment of college basketball.”
I agree Hokie. When I posted what I did earlier in the thread it was not questionbing Willimas and his affiliation with Duke. The dude is a Blue Devil and will be forever. I respect his opinion, but like I said, I think some of it is driven by who he works for and who is watching the network he is working for. No problem from me there. He isn't doing anything wrong.
Greenburg on the other hand has never missed an opportunity to take on Duke. It shows all the time. He did it as a coach and even more as a talking head.
Drives me nuts too, but not because she is a woman doing a mans game, it has to do with how I feel about her announcing. Which I think is poor.
Agreed! Bills has always seems to be anti-Duke at times. I'm not saying he should defend them but when he commentates and Duke is losing, it's almost as if he is happy. Not a fan at all of his.