Allen: Stay or Go?
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I love Grayson and he is one hell of a player. I'm curious to see what the scouts thought of his 2nd half vs Louisville... When he tried driving the ball in the second half against the length of Egyptian center from Louisville he struggled to get the ball to the rim... Trust me it's one game and I'm not knocking him at all, but I do wonder if scouts will take a look at that more. Man I hope he stays at least one more year!
He will be gone just like tyus. We get to the Dance and the freshman blow up again Allen has good run and we win the title again. Allen says 2 titles in a row and he is gone. Perfect ending
IF we win the title this year that would put Grayson, Marshall , Matt and Amile on a pretty short list of Duke players that have won 2 titles and yeah he could decide to leave but think about this. With the class we have coming in next year combined with the players we have returning next year we'll be a heavy favorite to win the title, so if he comes back then he could be on a very short list of players that won 3 titles while they were in college. I personally think he'll be back whether we win the title this year or not.
Meh. In the league he'll be taking far more jumpers anyway. They may use it as TV cannon fodder, but it won't mean anything in actual discussions.
I think Bonzie Colson is averaging Pete Maravich-like numbers in his four games against Duke.
I agree with this, his driving isn't getting him drafted, his quick release, form, and solid size make him an option at the 2.
It would be foolish for Grayson to come back IMHO. He won't have a chance to improve his stock sharing court time with Giles, Tatum, Jackson, Thornton and Amile. His scoring, rebounding and assist numbers will all drop dramatically.
He will ride off into the sunset as a lottery pick this year and end up playing for Brad Stevens and the Celtics.
My projected starting lineup for next year is as follows:
PG: Thornton
SG: Kennard
SF: Tatum
PF: Jefferson
C: Giles
He will ride off into the sunset as a lottery pick this year and end up playing for Brad Stevens and the Celtics.
My projected starting lineup for next year is as follows:
PG: Thornton
SG: Kennard
SF: Tatum
PF: Jefferson
C: Giles
Some may argue Jackson over Thornton, but there's a lot of water to flow under the bridge until then. PS: Welcome.It would be foolish for Grayson to come back IMHO. He won't have a chance to improve his stock sharing court time with Giles, Tatum, Jackson, Thornton and Amile. His scoring, rebounding and assist numbers will all drop dramatically.
He will ride off into the sunset as a lottery pick this year and end up playing for Brad Stevens and the Celtics.
My projected starting lineup for next year is as follows:
PG: Thornton
SG: Kennard
SF: Tatum
PF: Jefferson
C: Giles
OFC
Perhaps, but I'm confident that Thornton will improve enough over the next year where he'll be the clear cut starter and we'll have Jackson backing him up off the bench.Willcampbell said:
We should have a really solid rotation of Thornton, Jackson, Kennard, Jones and Tatum filling the 1-3 spots of our lineup next year.
I'm more worried about the bigs situation: if Jefferson doesn't red shirt, is Giles our only reliable front court option? We really need Jeter and Obi to develop in the off-season since I don't think DeLaurier will be ready to play major minutes right off the bat.
I'd also be surprised if Matt isn't starting. Not saying anything about talent, just senior leadership.
Yeah, I can't see any way that Matt doesn't start next season. He'll be the lone senior and we will have a bunch of freshmen and sophomores that will lean heavily on him on defense.
Yeah, I think he is a solid late first rounder, 25ish or so. He's not going anywhere though.
I think he will go this year.
That said, contrary to this and others, I don't think the talent coming next year would necessarily hurt his draft stock. Those players will be freshman and no matter how highly ranked we just don't know how they will perform. Chase Jeter was ranked 16th on Rivals, 11th on ESPN; Thornton went to 14th on Rivals when he entered; and even look at Ingram. Great player but it's taken him a while to get things going and the lack of depth has also helped to force K to lean on him more. But, Grayson was the man early and still has done very well even since Ingram and Kennard have improved. Frank Jackson is borderline top 10 but he may not wind up jumping in right away.
K would still rely on Grayson and give him free reign. K does this with a number of players. If you earn your stripes you get an advantage. Were Grayson to stay, his scoring might dip some but I suspect it would still be a short lineup (if Amile comes back this year we lose him and Plumlee and Ingram). Jeter will still struggle to get minutes.
Grayson could still very well be the slashing scorer and leader on the team. And, he might take better shots and become a more efficient player and if Duke goes deeper in the tournament and Grayson has some big games, his stock will still be just as high. So, having more talent around him doesn't necessarily diminish his stock.
Only if his play dipped would it diminish.
All that said, I think he'll go for sure this year if he feels confident he'll be a first round pick b/c that's guaranteed money for 4-5 years. But, if it's borderline 1st/2nd then that's a risk and he may stay.
I definitely agree about the guaranteed money aspect.
I also agree that how he is viewed in next year's draft wouldn't change just because some good players are coming in. Grayson is going to be who he is. Scouts want to see him handle the ball better and they want to see how consistent he can remain in his shooting. What's going to hurt his draft positioning next year is the insane amount of talent coming from the next class and potentially a few guys who aren't leaving this year, plus the amount of talent coming from the Euros. There's just more talent available in next season's draft. The year after looks good for guards as does this year. That's why I stated what I did. Just my opinion though.
If Grayson comes back, is it possible that Tatum doesn't start? Or do we trot out a 4 small lineup again?
Thornton
Allen
Jones
Tatum
Giles
There is no way Jones, a senior captain, is not going to start. He isn't a Josh Hairston-type. He is an actual regular contributor on both ends. A completely solid 3 and D type of player. He might even be K's favorite on that team.
Let's say Grayson does go, do you replace him with Kennard or go big with Jeter? I think Chase is going to be good. I really do.
Thornton
Allen
Jones
Tatum
Giles
There is no way Jones, a senior captain, is not going to start. He isn't a Josh Hairston-type. He is an actual regular contributor on both ends. A completely solid 3 and D type of player. He might even be K's favorite on that team.
Let's say Grayson does go, do you replace him with Kennard or go big with Jeter? I think Chase is going to be good. I really do.
But as much as I hate to say it, we could be thin again next year. If Allen and Ingram go, we don't land Bolden, and Giles takes awhile to completely heal. We are potentially looking at a 6 man rotation until Giles gets back (or unless Obi or Vrank step up)