Almost feel bad for Ole Miss.
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Losing White sucks, but we'll still have Warren and Terrico, with EP back, and Buckner is supposed to be a hoss in the middle. Just broke Jarvis' high school record for blocks.
We have Cranston plus a new signee coming in. Malcolm def stepped his game up this season, but I don't feel like it will drastically effect us. Honestly, I predicted Cranston to take Malcolm's spot anyways just because he plays better and is bigger. Best of luck to Malcolm though, he was a good guy.
I think it makes it more difficult obviously, but I still think barring major injuries, we'll be in the tourney. I don't see why we wouldn't. I'm sure you'll laugh at me and tell me I'm crazy just like a lot of posters did on here last year when I said that our football team would be in a bowl game in 2008.
I disagree with that. Malcolm was coming along, and he was going to be a very good 5 for us next year. Cranston would not have taken his spot. It's definitely a tough loss for us because Cranston is a definite step down. However, I still think we'll have a good enough team to make the dance next year.
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Also about the comment above about Buckner breaking Swat's high school shot block record, who gives a damn. Let me know when Buckner gets close to Jarvis' NCAA record. I've seen video of Buckner and he does look good, but the videos I saw looked like he was playing against Bayou Academy. I could have blocked some of those guys and I suck. And if you think he'll come in and set the world on fire, see Romero Osby 2009. Top 50 recruit that everyone wanted and it will take him until next year to get it going. If you're banking on Buckner to be the savior in the post, you might be in trouble. Also, from what i've read, he're more of a face-up guy anyway.
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Cranston is not better than Malcolm. Malcolm was a black hole when he got the ball, but Cranston was no where near as athletic and by the end of the season Malcolm was playing pretty well for us.
Its a blow, we needed to add a big man before we lost White, now we are in trouble. When your coach is saying you are going to play Cantinol more, that means it is not a good thing.
Supposedly AK has wanted to run up tempo pressing style offense/defense well next season he will have to do something like that because we will more than likely be running a 4 guard lineup most of the season.
Its a blow, we needed to add a big man before we lost White, now we are in trouble. When your coach is saying you are going to play Cantinol more, that means it is not a good thing.
Supposedly AK has wanted to run up tempo pressing style offense/defense well next season he will have to do something like that because we will more than likely be running a 4 guard lineup most of the season.
how this past knee injury is going to affect/if affect Warren's play. And they better hope this isn't a Ronald Steele case where it becomes a reoccuring event. On the Buckner thing about passing Varnado in high school blocks, Buckner does play in class A while Varnado played I believe played in 4A. Not taking anything away from Buckner, but there is a pretty big difference in class A ball and 4A.</p>
he needs to make the dance or he's in big trouble. Injuries are one thing, defections are a coach's responsibility.
Uhh.. ok. There is Valium in the Kool aid if you think that UM won't lose a step because Cranston is better than Malcom White.jtbaski1 said:
Yea we Bulldog fans don't care if Varnado leaves either... we have Elgin Bailey. He is bigger than Varnado.
Kennedy is already saying we'll probably be a pressing and running team now. I guess if Huertas stays he'll get to keep his starting job now.
WalkTheDawg said:
Good comparison. Cranston is fine coming off the bench to give minutes at the 5. Cranston starting and giving you the bulk of your minutes at the 5 is not a good thing. Malcolm had plenty of flaws, but Cranston is a definite step down. And to make matters worse, you either have to go with anorexic Henry, Cantinol, or a true freshman to fill in those minutes as a back up that Cranston was eating last year.
graddawg said:
You're answering your own question. They keep saying he's coming back, but the rumor has been that he'd finish up and go ahead and leave to play overseas.
Just curios, SEC managed to get 3 teams into the tourney this year. Is it your opinion that next year the conference will be more highly regarded and therefore send more teams or do you see Ole Miss supplanting one of the 3 teams that went this year? You also have to figure in the "bubble teams" that did not get in this year and also the politics of the legacy SEC powers. How do you see it shaking out that Ole Miss gets in?
Optimus Prime 4 said:
Huh? If Huretas stays? Has there actually been talk of him leaving too? If not... I have been having to bump my sarcasm meter here lately to get it to read right.
I realize that T. White and Huertas played well this season but even if Polyniece, Warren, and Gaskins come back to add to the mix Ole Miss still does not have an inside presence at all now that M. White is gone. It is almost like a team loaded with point guards and two guards but no rebounding or interior defense.
Yes, I see the SEC being much better next year. The league was really young this year across the board, including both of our teams, which were some of the youngest in the country.
I think the SEC will get 5 or 6 teams in next year.
I feel like these teams will make the tourney next year:
Tennessee
Florida
Ole Miss
MSU
Kentucky - if Meeks and Patterson return. If Meeks and Patterson leave, they will be out.
I feel like these teams will have a shot:
Alabama
Vanderbilt
South Carolina - will have a great shot at the tourney if Downey returns. If Downey is gone, no chance.
These teams will not make it:
Georgia
Auburn
LSU
Arkansas
I think the SEC will get 5 or 6 teams in next year.
I feel like these teams will make the tourney next year:
Tennessee
Florida
Ole Miss
MSU
Kentucky - if Meeks and Patterson return. If Meeks and Patterson leave, they will be out.
I feel like these teams will have a shot:
Alabama
Vanderbilt
South Carolina - will have a great shot at the tourney if Downey returns. If Downey is gone, no chance.
These teams will not make it:
Georgia
Auburn
LSU
Arkansas
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especially with your big man not coming back.
With everyone returning you were still only at the "I feel like these teams will have a shot" level. I mean, be realistic here. You didn't even sniff the NIT this season. That's a pretty big jump to guarantee yourself a Dance ticket. Even with players coming back from injuries, they still will be nagging a little and a year off from live basketball.
At this point, UT, Florida, State and UK for sure have a better outlook than Ole Miss. Probably Carolina and Vandy as well. I will give you that you do have a shot.
With everyone returning you were still only at the "I feel like these teams will have a shot" level. I mean, be realistic here. You didn't even sniff the NIT this season. That's a pretty big jump to guarantee yourself a Dance ticket. Even with players coming back from injuries, they still will be nagging a little and a year off from live basketball.
At this point, UT, Florida, State and UK for sure have a better outlook than Ole Miss. Probably Carolina and Vandy as well. I will give you that you do have a shot.
You were one of the ones laughing at me for guaranteeing we'd make a bowl game in 2008, if we avoided crippling injuries. We can check back on this one later as well.
You may be right to an extent, but you have to remember that basketball players play AAU ball in the off-season. So while he's playing A or 2A ball in Tennessee against a bunch of small schools, he plays some of the best around in AAU.
For any player there is a major adjustment between high school and SEC action though, and from what I hear Buckner played a lot of the 3 with his AAU team, which tells me he's used to handling the ball and being a face to the bucket guy. Therefore, even if he is able to adjust to the speed and strength of the game, I expect there to be even more of a learning curve if he's going to be asked to come in and play the 5 as a back to the basket guy. I could see Buckner helping us some next year at the 4 maybe, but I really doubt he'll be able to do much to offset the lose of Malcolm White. That job will fall on Cranston and Cantinol and possibly Henry if he gains 30 pounds. That's not reassuring.
We'll still have some success, but we're going to have to be a team that relies on hitting outside shots, creating turnovers, or driving and kicking to get our offense going. I can't see us being able to do the inside-out thing at all. It wouldn't shock me to see us run some line ups out there where our we don't have anyone taller than 6-6.
For any player there is a major adjustment between high school and SEC action though, and from what I hear Buckner played a lot of the 3 with his AAU team, which tells me he's used to handling the ball and being a face to the bucket guy. Therefore, even if he is able to adjust to the speed and strength of the game, I expect there to be even more of a learning curve if he's going to be asked to come in and play the 5 as a back to the basket guy. I could see Buckner helping us some next year at the 4 maybe, but I really doubt he'll be able to do much to offset the lose of Malcolm White. That job will fall on Cranston and Cantinol and possibly Henry if he gains 30 pounds. That's not reassuring.
We'll still have some success, but we're going to have to be a team that relies on hitting outside shots, creating turnovers, or driving and kicking to get our offense going. I can't see us being able to do the inside-out thing at all. It wouldn't shock me to see us run some line ups out there where our we don't have anyone taller than 6-6.
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you get your props.
But either way, I don't see what your football situation has to do with your basketball situation. Not many similarities between the two. That's probably why you injected it into the argument, because your other angle was getting you nowhere.
But either way, I don't see what your football situation has to do with your basketball situation. Not many similarities between the two. That's probably why you injected it into the argument, because your other angle was getting you nowhere.
"Also about the comment above about Buckner breaking Swat's high school shot block record, who gives a damn. Let me know when Buckner gets close to Jarvis' NCAA record. I've seen video of Buckner and he does look good, but the videos I saw looked like he was playing against Bayou Academy."
I have no idea if Buckner will ever approach anything close to what Jarvis did/does... but for you to make the claim that you believe that he won't because of the High School competition he faced is retarded. The high school competition, overall, that Buckner faced in Memphis is lightyears ahead of the competition Jarvis faced in Brownsville. He faced much tougher competition in order to set that record.
It doesn't really mean anything in the end, but your statement is still stupid.
I have no idea if Buckner will ever approach anything close to what Jarvis did/does... but for you to make the claim that you believe that he won't because of the High School competition he faced is retarded. The high school competition, overall, that Buckner faced in Memphis is lightyears ahead of the competition Jarvis faced in Brownsville. He faced much tougher competition in order to set that record.
It doesn't really mean anything in the end, but your statement is still stupid.
Well, obviously I should know the difference between Brownsville and Memphis high school talent. I'm assuming that you also know the difference between Noxapater and Macon talent as well. I'm sure that Memphis talent is more, but the statement that he "broke Varnado's high school block record" doesn't mean ****. Like I said, when Buckner gets to Division 1 basketball and the SEC, after year 3, you bring your *** back over here and see if Buckner has more career blocks than Varnado. The reason I made that comment is because I watched his scout.com video. The players he was going up against that day was laughable. If that is Memphis basketball, then the MPSA needs to push farther north and compete with them. I'm sure that Magnolia Heights would fare well with that team.
I don't think Varnado even started in high school until midway through his junior year. I also think he had a late growth spurt. Just saying. However, high school records don't mean much if anything. I can remember kids growing up that averaged 30 a game in high school that never even sniffed the floor in college. Blocking shots in high school is generally just a function of being taller than everyone else.
"Well, obviously I should know the difference between Brownsville and Memphis high school talent. I'm assuming that you also know the difference between Noxapater and Macon talent as well"
I wasn't the one making an authoritative statement on the matter... you were. Generally, for someone to speak authoritatively on a subject, it is best for them to have some knowledge on the subject matter- which is exactly why you won't hear me comment on the virtues of Macon and Noxapater talent. Clearly you don't subscribe to that same basic precept of logic.
Besides, we're not talking about two (relatively) obscure towns in rural Mississippi. It is pretty universally known to anyone who has followed basketball for more than, say, five minutes, that Memphis is a well-known hotbed for basketball talent.
"the statement that he "broke Varnado's high school block record" doesn't mean ****."
I think, at the very least, it means that he is a pretty good basketball prospect.
"I'm sure that Magnolia Heights would fare well with that team."
I am sure you are right. I am sure Magnolia Heights would love to compete against Memphis' inner city schools, especially after their only trip into Memphis was to lose 72-48 to a team of Home Schooled players. You're smart.
I wasn't the one making an authoritative statement on the matter... you were. Generally, for someone to speak authoritatively on a subject, it is best for them to have some knowledge on the subject matter- which is exactly why you won't hear me comment on the virtues of Macon and Noxapater talent. Clearly you don't subscribe to that same basic precept of logic.
Besides, we're not talking about two (relatively) obscure towns in rural Mississippi. It is pretty universally known to anyone who has followed basketball for more than, say, five minutes, that Memphis is a well-known hotbed for basketball talent.
"the statement that he "broke Varnado's high school block record" doesn't mean ****."
I think, at the very least, it means that he is a pretty good basketball prospect.
"I'm sure that Magnolia Heights would fare well with that team."
I am sure you are right. I am sure Magnolia Heights would love to compete against Memphis' inner city schools, especially after their only trip into Memphis was to lose 72-48 to a team of Home Schooled players. You're smart.