Amen sister (link)...

[was21]

http://www.usatoday.com/s...down-football/56166544/1

"...but I sure don't think that college football should be left in the hands of the Barry Switzers and Jackie Sherrills of the world.."

 

[was21]

http://www.usatoday.com/s...down-football/56166544/1

"...but I sure don't think that college football should be left in the hands of the Barry Switzers and Jackie Sherrills of the world.."

 

[Xenomorph]

I'm not arguing if they should or not. I'm arguing that I think they will.

 

[patdog]

We could argue all day about what they should or shouldn't do, but they're going to do something. This is an organization that bans postseason events from states with a Confederate flag on their flags unless they're performance-based and also bans some Indian mascots (but not others). They're not going to just sit there and look like they're ignoring this.</p>

 

[EAVdog]

A lot of 'everyday folks' depend on the revenue created by the football program. Penn State self penalizing no bowls for 2 years as a sign of being introspective about the situation would be sufficient in my eyes.

Of course that is coupled with whatever Civil or Criminal penalties levied through the courts.

 

[was21]

with regard to the entire matter. It's still as if they're in denial and it's business as usual. In its own interest, it should take steps to voluntarily shut it down for a number of years. It just doesn't seem that the program should go unscathed with so many possible dead bodies still laying around that haven't been identified. I also think the NCAA will be forced by pressure , whether it's media based or some other base, to get involved.

 

[RocketDawg]

With the new interim coach the could easily not even qualify for a bowl. So it would be no penalty at all. It's got to be more severe than that.

 

[Xenomorph]

Are very incongruous to me. And I bet they will be to the NCAA too.

 

[slickdawg]

Well, good question.

Just one month for each known victim would cover a year, and that light of a punishment is laughable, considering what they have done.

It will come down to punishing the program vs. punishing the players and coaches that had nothing to do with this.

 

[MaleBovineK9]

As She said in the article, this is the most heinous thing to happen and be perpetrated by an American university ever. A bowl ban is way too easy.
People keep saying "all your hurting w the death penalty are players/coaches that weren't involved". If that's the rationale, then no school should ever be punished for anything, because people who arent involved are always victims of punishments levied by the NCAA. was it Jerious Norwoods fault that Kevin Fant got some tires? No, but he was punished for it. It's about making an example, that some things are much bigger and more important than 17n football. If Perv State gets the death penalty, every school will take note and have systems in place to insure a game is never put ahead of human dignity and welfare, particularly children.

If it were State, I'd have the same opinion.

Shut the 17er down.

 

[was21]

been used in the past also penalized guiltless athletes and corches as well, and it stuck like glue and schools went down with probation because of it. From a layman's standpoint, this seems to be ripe for that allegation if there ever was a case that did. I don't have a dog in the hunt and most others on this board don't either, but fair is fair and unfair is unfair.

 

[Xenomorph]

In every penalty the NCAA has levied there have been innocent victims. In that regard, this will be no different.

 

[GloryDawg]

To make is more harsh they should take 85 scholarships away and give a three year bowl band and probation for 10 years. Other then that they can play football as normal.</p>

 

[slickdawg]

Hopefully they do get the SMU treatment. Allow any player or recruit that wants out immediate eligibility elsewhere.

Just think of the message you are sending if you do nothing? The NCAA would be as complicit as Paterno, Schultz, Spanier and Curley.

 

[futaba.79]

that I've had my head in the sand about NCAA involvement. I've been arguing that crimes were committed, not rules violations.

I've been wrong. I now think the NCAA is within its scope of jurisdiction to shut down the Penn State football program. Hopefully, the decent people in charge at that university will take that action themselves.

 

[GloryDawg]

Norwood did not get punished for the tires. Norwood got punished because Croom could not coach a O-Line.

 

[was21]

..or so it seems to me....haven't heard that anything Sandusky or the others did as far as a coverup had anything to do with recruiting violations.

 

[slickdawg]

THE PENNSYLVANIA STATE UNIVERSITY
GUIDE TO NCAA RULES ...for Alumni, Faculty & Friends
One of the important cornerstones of the Penn State athletic program is the loyalty and enthusiasm of Nittany Lion fans who have demonstrated by their interest in our teams, and their attendance at events, that they are without equal.
Penn State athletics appreciates this marvelous fan support, which stimulates and encourages our student-athletes and energizes our entire organization.
We must be cautious, however, not to let enthusiasm for athletics lead us into conflict with the very specific rules and regulations of the National Collegiate Athletic Association or the Big Ten Conference.
The NCAA definition of "a representative of the University's athletics interests" is very broad and encompasses many if not all of the people who are regular attendees at our sports events. If you fall into this category, there are a number of activities regarding contact with student-athletes and athletic recruits that could put the University at risk for NCAA sanctions.
We have summarized the applicable NCAA rules in this pamphlet. Please take the time to read it carefully and should you have any questions, call our athletic compliance office at (814) 863-XXXX.
<span style="font-weight: bold;">The University is charged with the responsibility to exercise "institutional control" of its athletics interests and we are committed to maintaining the kind of responsible program in which all of us take such great pride.</span>
Penn State is grateful for all you have done to make this one of the model programs in the nation. We know, based on our contacts with Alumni, faculty and friends across the Commonwealth and the country, that you share our earnest ambition for athletic success within the rules.
Gratefully,
<span style="font-weight: bold;">TIMOTHY M. CURLEY Director of Athletics</span>

 

[futaba.79]

but the NCAA has the power to take punitive action for APR issues, player eligibility issues and so forth. That's all part of institutional control. Penn St athletics was used to further criminal activity. There is supposed to be independent checks and balances. Athletics is supposed to be part of the university. To me, the football program separated itself from the rest of Penn State University, thus lack of institutional control.

 

[patdog]

But a week or so after this came out someone posted the NCAA rule about institutional control. It included control over compliance with laws and regulations. I don't think there's any question that Penn St. had a major breakdown in institutional control over compliance with laws.

 

[AssEndDawg]

4 year bowl ban after that (which won't matter since they won't be going to a bowl in the 4 years after the DP), loss of scholarships, lots of them. Players can transfer immediately and play and players who want to stay at Penn State for education must have scholarship honored for at least the coming school year. That's my opinion...

 

[slickdawg]

<h2>NCAA statement on Penn State</h2>

Statement by Bob Williams, vice president of communications</p>

“Likeeveryone else, we are reviewing thefinal reportfor the first time today. As President Emmert wrote in his November 17thletter to Penn State President Rodney Erickson and reiterated this week, the university hasfour key questions,
concerning compliance with institutional control and ethics policies,
to which it now needs to respond. Penn State’s response to the letter
will inform our next steps, including whether or not to take further
action. We expect Penn State’s continued cooperation in our examination
of these issues.”</p>

</p>

 

[Dubs.sixpack]

Sly Croom for 5 years and be forced to pay him that $200 Million they just received in donations. But that might be worse than the death penalty.

 

[BulldogBlitz]

letter dated november 17, 2011. response requested by "december 16" (no year). this should already be a done deal? or at least, penn state sent in their answer to those four questions and the NCAA is now comparing what they put in the letter to what the investigation churned up.

not to make light of this... but when is kickoff? i'd love for the season to start to give those of us who don't want to wallow in this quagmire the opportunity for diversion.

 

[SheltonChoked]

[list type=decimal]
[*]Immediately change Joe Pa's coaching record to 307-74-3 and his bowl record to 18-9-1. All seasons since the cover-up of a member of the Penn State coaching staff committing a felony on university property do not count. They never happened.
[*]Set up camp at Penn State. Start looking at everything for as far back as Joe Pa was the coach. Throw the book at them for every violation you find.[/list]

If they can cover up this for 15 years, there is more dirt.</p>

 

[SixtonPackerish]

<h2>NCAA statement on Penn State</h2>

Statement by Bob Williams, vice president of communications</p>

“the university hasfour key questions,
concerning compliance with institutional control and <font color="#000099">ethics</font> policies,
to which it now needs to respond."</p>

</p>

 

[EAVdog]

That the PTB involved in the cover up spend some time in Orange Jumpsuits and the University forks over hundreds of Millions to the victims. I'm more focused on seeing real justice for the victims than punishing the Football Team. Although I don't think the NCAA can turn a blind eye to the way things were run in Happy Valley. Some sort of probationary period has to be meted out.

 

[LiterallyPolice]

Maybe on the Internet somewhere, that could tell us how much time left until kickoff.

Seriously though. I'm with you.

 

[FlabLoser]

Proud Larry is the one who suspended Fant, not the NCAA. He suspended Fant on Friday and applied for re-instatement which was given the next week.

 

[GloryDawg]

bd

 

[patdog]

He had no choice but to suspend Fant and immediately apply for reinstatement. Anything else would have been a lack of institutional contol. The NCAA screwed us on that one for not immediately granting reinstatement like they almost always do in similar cases. Not Templeton. If somebody can show that Templeton was late in applying for reinstatement, then yeah, bash him all day long for that. But you can't bash him for suspending him in the first place.