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MeridianDog · Nov 15, 2010

This is a really long and amazing string about CamGate. It is filled with interesting FBI stuff, Crooked Auburn Banking stuff, Federal WireTapslikely uncovering requests for payoffs from Auburn and all sorts of stuff.

Caution. It is incredibly long, but better than a Grisham novel.


http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/MessageTopic.asp?p=22723259&Pg=1

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scariest part to me...the NCAA is going to come up with a penalty to knock someone below Ole Miss...
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Does that mean they wont be able to beat jacksonville st. after sanctions?

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I never knew about the Red Elephant Club
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According to many people on ITAT, the REC is the group behind all the newton stuff. Supposedly it's a very powerful group that controls the media. Including the New York Times I believe
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I like this quote:

All the while Tommy Tuberville is kicking back in Texas while watching this unfold. One smart guy right there.

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This on W&L the supposed guy who says that the feces will hit the fan tomorrow (Tuesday) and who he is:

I have communicated with W&L for around 7 years concerning insider info related to SEC football. He was at his peak while Shula was the coach and knew nearly the entire coaching staff at that time very well. He attended most practices and would always report on who is looking good, etc.

His connections are still substantial, but he does not have the same access to Alabama football that he once had now that Saban is here.

In real life he is a fairly influential religious figure in the state who works with athletes at the high school and collegiate level. He does not post much, and nearly never about casual things. When he sends me something, I read it carefully. Having said that, he is an Alabama fan, but not one of those that is "out to get" another program.

I would put some stock in any post of his, but more in those related to Alabama as opposed to Auburn. What he is hearing about this scandal is likely coming from the Alabama camp and not from Auburn sources. He never gives up more info than he has to as he protects his sources very well.

I think he basically told us what our instincts were already saying....just that we now know our instincts are shared by people more in the know than ourselves.

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(I love this stuff the guy W&L is just like Deep Throat in Watergate)

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I'd post more, but you really need to read the string

MeridianDog · Nov 15, 2010

This is a really long and amazing string about CamGate. It is filled with interesting FBI stuff, Crooked Auburn Banking stuff, Federal WireTapslikely uncovering requests for payoffs from Auburn and all sorts of stuff.

Caution. It is incredibly long, but better than a Grisham novel.


http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/MessageTopic.asp?p=22723259&Pg=1

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.the NCAA is going to come up with a penalty to knock someone below Ole Miss...
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scariest part to me...the NCAA is going to come up with a penalty to knock someone below Ole Miss...
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Does that mean they wont be able to beat jacksonville st. after sanctions?

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I never knew about the Red Elephant Club
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According to many people on ITAT, the REC is the group behind all the newton stuff. Supposedly it's a very powerful group that controls the media. Including the New York Times I believe
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I like this quote:

All the while Tommy Tuberville is kicking back in Texas while watching this unfold. One smart guy right there.

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This on W&L the supposed guy who says that the feces will hit the fan tomorrow (Tuesday) and who he is:

I have communicated with W&L for around 7 years concerning insider info related to SEC football. He was at his peak while Shula was the coach and knew nearly the entire coaching staff at that time very well. He attended most practices and would always report on who is looking good, etc.

His connections are still substantial, but he does not have the same access to Alabama football that he once had now that Saban is here.

In real life he is a fairly influential religious figure in the state who works with athletes at the high school and collegiate level. He does not post much, and nearly never about casual things. When he sends me something, I read it carefully. Having said that, he is an Alabama fan, but not one of those that is "out to get" another program.

I would put some stock in any post of his, but more in those related to Alabama as opposed to Auburn. What he is hearing about this scandal is likely coming from the Alabama camp and not from Auburn sources. He never gives up more info than he has to as he protects his sources very well.

I think he basically told us what our instincts were already saying....just that we now know our instincts are shared by people more in the know than ourselves.

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(I love this stuff the guy W&L is just like Deep Throat in Watergate)

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I'd post more, but you really need to read the string

MeridianDog · Nov 15, 2010

This is a really long and amazing string about CamGate. It is filled with interesting FBI stuff, Crooked Auburn Banking stuff, Federal WireTapslikely uncovering requests for payoffs from Auburn and all sorts of stuff.

Caution. It is incredibly long, but better than a Grisham novel.


http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/MessageTopic.asp?p=22723259&Pg=1

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.the NCAA is going to come up with a penalty to knock someone below Ole Miss...
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scariest part to me...the NCAA is going to come up with a penalty to knock someone below Ole Miss...
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Does that mean they wont be able to beat jacksonville st. after sanctions?

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I never knew about the Red Elephant Club
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According to many people on ITAT, the REC is the group behind all the newton stuff. Supposedly it's a very powerful group that controls the media. Including the New York Times I believe
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I like this quote:

All the while Tommy Tuberville is kicking back in Texas while watching this unfold. One smart guy right there.

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This on W&L the supposed guy who says that the feces will hit the fan tomorrow (Tuesday) and who he is:

I have communicated with W&L for around 7 years concerning insider info related to SEC football. He was at his peak while Shula was the coach and knew nearly the entire coaching staff at that time very well. He attended most practices and would always report on who is looking good, etc.

His connections are still substantial, but he does not have the same access to Alabama football that he once had now that Saban is here.

In real life he is a fairly influential religious figure in the state who works with athletes at the high school and collegiate level. He does not post much, and nearly never about casual things. When he sends me something, I read it carefully. Having said that, he is an Alabama fan, but not one of those that is "out to get" another program.

I would put some stock in any post of his, but more in those related to Alabama as opposed to Auburn. What he is hearing about this scandal is likely coming from the Alabama camp and not from Auburn sources. He never gives up more info than he has to as he protects his sources very well.

I think he basically told us what our instincts were already saying....just that we now know our instincts are shared by people more in the know than ourselves.

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(I love this stuff the guy W&L is just like Deep Throat in Watergate)

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I'd post more, but you really need to read the string

Topgundawg · Nov 15, 2010

Damn I was waiting for Freddy to jump out of the bushes... There was so much stuff being thrown around against Auburn I don't know where to start:

1. CAM stop going to most of his Classes
2. Auburn tied into the Alabama Gambling Ring under FBI investigation
3. Wire Taping picking up Pay for Play
4. Pat Dye a Bank executive. ???? Coaching prepared him for that position
5. Auburn getting kicked out of SEC

**** makes our Cowbell problem look like child's play.

AlCoDog · Nov 15, 2010

shaschboy · Nov 15, 2010

on all of those indicted in the gambling vote scheme. 2 of the main characters-McGregor and Geddie-are Auburn grads. There's no telling what they have on tape and Cam/recruiting was just a nugget that fell in their lap during their investigation. Most of those indicted weren't Rhodes Scholors so this should be a lot of fun.

cps36 · Nov 15, 2010

So he better be going.

ababyatemydingo · Nov 15, 2010

Apparently, McGregor influenced a government official on some favorable legislation regarding his gambling halls, and paid the dude off by rigging a bingo machine, and having the gubment guy visit his gambling hall and being directed to said rigged machine. Allegedly, the rigged machine paid out well over a hundred thousand dollars to the guy, so that he would have plausible deniability if accused of a quid pro quo. That same poster said that the FBI tapes will show that Cecil was paid in casina chips from McGregor's gambling halls.

MeridianDog · Nov 15, 2010

He is gone as soon as bowl games are over.

I thought the whole string of FBI wiretap involvement picking up on the cash offers was interesting.

There is no way that auburn gets kicked out. What did a Bamer guy say? They have been identified to take OM's place in the cellar

MeridianDog · Nov 15, 2010

It was interesting to look at this train wreck from another angle.

Seems the Alabama and LSU guys have a different opinion of what's gong on than MSU fans.

MeridianDog · Nov 15, 2010

Let me put "if" in quotes. I happen to believe there are tapes and that the FBI has them. But if they do, they will not walk away from criminal activity, just because it is not a part of their investigation, so they will eventually pursue any cam activity as a criminal activity. If it was a phone call across a state line, I think it may be criminal activity. extortion?

MeridianDog · Nov 15, 2010

depends on when grades go to the AD office. That might not happen for another few weeks. They may be on Plains time down there.

MeridianDog · Nov 15, 2010

Interesting when he write that they could just deliver him $100,000 in chips to his room and let him go down and turn them in as winnings, since their security tapes are their property and they get rid of them periodicaly and might not have any tapes shoudlan investigaor drop by and ask to see the Good Pastor pulling a slot handle.

The guy aslo said that if he cashed out his chips in less than $10,000 buckets, it was not tax reportable to the IRS. The most I ever cashed in was $40.00 so I don't know if that is true or not.

dashriprock · Nov 15, 2010

reading it. allot of wishful thinking but .................

MeridianDog · Nov 15, 2010

and it was on the internet, so it had to be true.

I bet you know that the truth is very dirty lots of the time and germ-ex is helpful.

cps36 · Nov 15, 2010

I, tylerdurden24, hereby confer upon the
graduate of the BOL/W&L thread the wisdom with which to beat down
"All In" Aubies and the right to one day join the other graduates of set
thread as we nod knowingly with a cigar in hand while the blaze of the
tragic Auburn football program dances just beyond our respective
horizons.

Eureka Dog · Nov 15, 2010

travel to AZ".

Maroon Eagle · Nov 15, 2010

...because of grades and the bowl game was on December 31-- before the beginning of the spring semester.

BigMSUDawg · Nov 15, 2010

MeridianDog said:
Interesting when he write that they could just deliver him $100,000 in chips to his room and let him go down and turn them in as winnings, since their security tapes are their property and they get rid of them periodicaly and might not have any tapes shoudlan investigaor drop by and ask to see the Good Pastor pulling a slot handle.
 The guy aslo said that if he cashed out his chips in less than $10,000 buckets, it was not tax reportable to the IRS. The most I ever cashed in was $40.00 so I don't know if that is true or not.

...and it's illegal on it's own merit (no matter where the money comes from).

karlchilders.sixpack · Nov 15, 2010

only bankers know that.

gptdawg · Nov 15, 2010

Pretty sure $10000. not correct. More like $1200. I think. I don't know personally either.
Edit to add: I think you're supposed to report all gambling earnings to IRS. The casinos don't have to issue paper unless over a certain amount ($1200?)

AssEndDawg · Nov 15, 2010

gptdawg said:
Pretty sure $10000. not correct. More like $1200. I think. I don't know personally either.
Edit to add: I think you're supposed to report all gambling earnings to IRS. The casinos don't have to issue paper unless over a certain amount ($1200?)

at least in Mississippi are over $1200 for a single slot machine pull, anything $2000 and over if you are cashing in chips. As mentioned above it is illegal to try and cash in $1900 in chips and then come back later and cash in $1900 more. Of course so is tax fraud so if your willing to go one way you might as well structure.

Todd4State · Nov 15, 2010

he didn't report his earnings from gambling to the IRS.

Spotdawg · Nov 15, 2010

I think that anything $1200 and over on slots they issue you a form kinda like a 1099. Now on table games, I have never been issued a single piece of paper or been asked for ID when cashing chips. I've been told that it's a $10k threshold.

That's why I don't have a players card either. Trackingplayku.

Maroon Eagle · Nov 15, 2010

I've been paying attention to what Monticello writes. Interesting and informative. Very logical and knowledgeable since it looks like he knows W&L's background very well.

Topgundawg · Nov 15, 2010

I have to admit some pretty heavy posts.

RoofingDawg · Nov 15, 2010

and him being investigated with some banking scandal in florida with colonial. may the world crash down on all of them. thanks for posting.

RougeDawg · Nov 15, 2010

how the timeline makes sense to what one of my friends told me last night. He is a sports reporter. Said some big, big, news is coming out either Tue or Wed and that his Boss/Editor told him this early Sunday. It makes sense after reading all of this stuff... The dots are beginning to connect, slowly but surely.

UpTheMiddlex3Punt · Nov 15, 2010

He's still pissed about the Petrinogate incident back in '03 and is willing to give details about who is who in the world of Auburn donors. If anything it will make the FBI's investigation easier.

patdog · Nov 15, 2010

But cashing chips in is not the same as winning. If you cash more than $10,000 in chips in, the casino would have to report that to the IRS too under a different law. But just cashing in chips for less than $10,000 would not trigger any reporting requirements.

dudehead · Nov 15, 2010

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UpTheMiddlex3Punt · Nov 15, 2010

Auburn is 17ed. Hard. Someone said the political structure of the state of Alabama will change because of this, but the political structure already has changed. We are going to have major ethics reforms and those are going to be tied up with the PAC-to-PAC transfers that were supposedly being used to launder this money.

gringodawg · Nov 15, 2010

<div style="text-align: left;">across state lines?? yea that would be wire fraud</div>

BCash · Nov 15, 2010

The detail into that thing is awesome. I agree, if half of that is true, AU is the filthiest program I've ever heard of. I wonder how AU fans would respond when you tell them they were close to getting their accreditation taken away a few years ago?

jakldawg · Nov 15, 2010

to "your University might lose accreditation (for real this time)" is quite a step up.

Sarc Dawg · Nov 16, 2010

I knew a lot of people really pissed about that whole situation.It was a big deal.Bobby L. should have beentold to get the hell away from Auburn then, but he was too powerful (and rich) at that time. He'smade Auburn his play thing for far too long.

fishwater99 · Nov 16, 2010

The casino is supposed to watch you and report if you go over 10K in the same day, but most casino's don't.. Been there done that..

blacklistedbully · Nov 16, 2010

Yes, I'm tooting my own horn, but I did suggest this link on Rivals back on 11/11. Frankly, was surprised it didn't see to foster much discussion over there. Did find another poster cut & paste it in a later thread, but again, not the debate I expected.<div>
</div><div>My rivals post:</div><div><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 11px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; "><tbody><tr><td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="125" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 8.5pt; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 6px; padding-bottom: 6px; padding-left: 6px; ">blacklistedbully
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Find Buddy</td><td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 8.5pt; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 6px; padding-bottom: 6px; padding-left: 6px; "><table width="100%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 8.5pt; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 6px; padding-bottom: 6px; padding-left: 6px; ">Auburn hiding money trail?</td><td align="right" valign="bottom" nowrap="" class="" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 8.5pt; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 6px; padding-bottom: 6px; padding-left: 6px; ">Edit|Reply</td></tr></tbody></table>_________________________________________________Interesting article by Paul Davis, writer for the Opelika-Auburn News. Especially interesting when you consider it came out 3 weeks ago. Could explain why the FBI is so interested in the Cam Newton case. Also shows how prepared Auburn is to hide any money-trails.

Auburn could be in deep, deep, deep doo-doo.

"The lobbying firm of FineGeddie& Associates in Montgomery has its snout in so many troughs that a normal person would think the group would be satiated by now.

Fine-Geddieis the premier lobbying group in Alabama with a client list akin to the Fortune 500. The firm’s leaders are Joe Fine, a former University of Alabama trustee and legislator, and RobertGeddie, an Auburn graduate.

They’ve cut more deals than a blackjack player and now, according to the Department of Justice, one of its key lobbyists,Geddie, has been indicted. He has allegedly been working with the state’s major gambling interests to influence a vote favoring the gambling houses.
So serious is the situation that his individual photo and biographical sketch has been removed from the firm’s website. The day after he was indicted, he took a leave of absence from the firm.

A whopping amount of the money flowing to the firm, almost a million dollars thus far, has been paid by the Auburn Athletics/Tigers Unlimited Foundation (TUF).

Some Auburn grads who send in money that goes to Fine-Geddienow say they want a review of the ties between the lobby giant and Auburn University.Geddieis tainted by the federal indictment and thus is tainting the university, according to concerns voiced in e-mails making the rounds in cyberspace.

Fine-Geddieis being paid by the Tigers Unlimited Foundation. A similar agreement exists with the University of Alabama. At Alabama, it’s the University Foundation employing Fine-Geddie.

Tigers Unlimited is a foundation that exists to raise money for Auburn’s athletics program, while the University Foundation’s main activity is to supplement the salary of University of Alabama System officials. Both universities simply say the contracts are between private corporations and don’t have to meet public records laws. Several such foundations with similar contracts with lobbyists have been successfully sued and forced to open their books. Such action is being considered in Alabama.

Geddiewas indicted largely on the basis of intercepts of cell phone and land line conversations with those in the alleged pay-for-play scheme.
Asked if the University is going to continue their contracts with Fine-Geddie, Deedie Dowdell, who heads the Marketing and Communications Department at Auburn, said there are no plans to end the contracts.

Tigers Unlimited Foundation files Federal tax form 990 which is for organizations exempt from income tax. Tigers Unlimited has millions of dollars at its disposal and it claims that it does not have to disclose the names of its donors. Dowdell agrees the private organization does not have to reveal its sources of millions of dollars. But most of those close to the university know who those big-cash donors are, or used to be.

I have looked at the tax forms covering five full years, part of one year and found that current forms are not available.

Those forms are so complicated it would take a forensic accountant to make heads or tails of them. It’s not just money laundering, it’s more like pressure washing, steam cleaning and then dry cleaning.

In addition to Fine-Geddie, the University has its own marketing and communication department that costs AU around a million per year, and a legislative liaison on staff, Sheri Fulford who is paid about $180,000 per year. And the trustees have been known to have another lobbyist for special projects. His name is Rick Hartselle.

All this rumbling, stumbling, lying and cheating is going on as we speak. Talk about public corruption. How obscene is it when it’s not just gambling, but in higher education. A lot of the lobbying by Auburn is on behalf of trustees seeking to hold on to their seats on the board.

We’ll elect a new governor and new lawmakers next month. Shortly thereafter, new trustees will be named at Auburn, maybe six or seven.

Some of the sitting trustees are pouring money into local races to insure that they keep their treasured seats on the Board of Trustees.

Bobby Lowder, who would like to be a trustee for life, is working as hard as he can to keep his post, although some of his clout may have slipped away when he lost his bank, Colonial. It was seized by the feds.

He has since left Montgomery where Colonial was once headquartered and moved to Auburn. He also holds onto his post as head of the University’s Finance Committee. Having one of his lobbyists indicted may be the least of Lowder’s worries today. The feds are moving forward quickly toward prosecution of some 50 bank executives and directors of failed banks to recover as much as $1 billion paid out by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation. Federal attorneys are already setting up talks with the former bank executives trying to settle as many cases as possible.

Thus far in 2010, 287 banks have been seized by the FDIC. The federal insurance fund has had to cough up almost $12.7 billion to make depositors whole after the banks were seized. Know which was the biggest bank that went down last? It was Lowder’s Colonial Banc Group. Lowder also had several of his Auburn trustee buddies and friends sitting on the board of Colonial. They included Jimmy Rane and Pat Dye. Another major stockholder was casino owner Milton McGregor, who was talked into taking on another $13 million in shares just months before the bank failed.

The late John Miller, also on the AU board, was the primary attorney for Lowder’s bank and was paid millions. Trustee Paul Spina, another former board member, was associated with Lowder’s bank in a lesser capacity. Former trustee Earlon McWhorter, a contractor-builder, also found a friendly banking experience a Colonial where he also borrowed millions.
The late Jimmy Samford, who once headed Auburn trustees, maintained an office in Lowder’s building in Montgomery where he engaged in lobbying for Lowder and the bank. The current head of the trustees is John Blackwell who has borrowed millions from Colonial. Ditto for Sen. Lowell Barron, a former AU trustee and the most powerful man in the Alabama Senate.

LobbyistGeddiehas also been working on another project in Lee County. He has supplied thousands to Republican Senatorial Candidate Tom Whatley, some of which was supposedly obtained from gambling interests. Whatley says he has not “knowingly” accepted gambling. Whatley is running against Democrat Sen. Ted Little. Little also has been accused of taking gambling money. He, too, says he has not knowingly done that. Little said he was told his large amount of cash came from the Alabama Education Association. Little sits on the Senate committee charged with confirming Auburn’s board members, a place where confirmation can be stalled or killed. That’s where lobbyists do their dirty deeds.
Corruption, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. I know each one when I see it. Hope you do, too. Election day is almost here.

Paul Davis writes a Sunday column for the Opelika-Auburn News. You may contact him at [email protected]."</td></tr></tbody></table></div>

DawgatAuburn · Nov 16, 2010

Auburn's issues with SACS were bad, but there was no real possibility of losing accreditation. None.

The Lowder stuff is accurate.

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