An Olive Branch...

[OHIO COLONEL]

Yep. After the 0-6 start, it would’ve happened this season. I also wonder if Cal would’ve made those smartass remarks regarding our fanbase had it been a normal year, where full capacity was permitted. I’m leaning towards no, he wouldn’t have. He knew he could TRY get away with it this season.

FIFY

 

[ShadowFromHomewardBound]

I think you're fair minded and pretty even keeled. We may disagree but it's civil and discussed like adults.

Agree- I may disagree a bit with IL but he is pretty fair minded imo as well.

 

[Cowtown Cat]

Agree- I may disagree a bit with IL but he is pretty fair minded imo as well.

Is that some brown I see on your nose?

 

[ShadowFromHomewardBound]

Is that some brown I see on your nose?

Meh, trying to take the high rode. I said my peace about it in my first comment in this thread lol.

 

[Cowtown Cat]

Meh, trying to take the high rode. I said my peace about it in my first comment in this thread lol.

Just busting your balls, bro.

 

[cathouse_rivals216755]

And you know this for a fact how?

9-16 Record with the #1 recruiting class in the nation. You are who your record says you are according to a famous coach.

 

[ShadowFromHomewardBound]

Just busting your balls, bro.

Man I know thissssss! We tight! You are one of the good’ns

 

[cathouse_rivals216755]

What I get from "real world" interactions (meaning, live and not on the internet, which isn't even a real place I don't think), is that any fans that have left the program didn't do so over OAD. To be sure, folks are definitely tired of it, it doesn't produce like it did and all you have left are (present year excepted) good but not great teams with near total roster turnover. Not appetizing. The people that have left, who have said I'm done with UK basketball until Calipari leaves - and I don't think that's a significant percentage, by the way - are the ones mad about kneeling/social justice issues.

And I'm not sure what there is to do about that, can't put the genie back in the bottle.

Point 2. Let's assume none of the assumptions I see about Cal here are true - let's assume he's not stubborn, arrogant, resistant to change, etc. Moving from a OAD model to something more traditional will be very difficult. I've said this before - I always worried about the next guy after Cal. Cal retires, the recruits decommit, all returning players leave early. The next guy is in a world of hurt, and likely for several years. Now we're faced with changing mid-stream. How do you do that, exactly, and not have a period of, well, bad teams? How do you get from here to there.

I don't really entertain serious thoughts of wanting Calipari gone. First ballot Hall of Famer, coach of the decade, yada yada. He ain't leaving until he's ready (just like K, Roy, Izzo, etc.), so I don't even think about it.....

With a life time contract and the pending end of OAD super recruits coming to UK, Cal has become the "next Coach" that has to follow his model.

And there is really no place for him to go but either continue to try and cobble together a roster from the transfer portal, recruit second tier OAD wannabes, and hope that he gets lucky with building team chemistry with a bunch of misfits.

 

[cathouse_rivals216755]

His expectations weren't as high, BJ's were, Cal played him to hopefully unlock that potential. BJ was the better player on the whole, even if he wasn't good. Dontaie could, break games open by himself, true, but he could also give up 10 straight points while barely contesting drives and not being in the right spots. Where as BJ might give up 10 straight points, but at least he was where he was supposed to be.

My argument is simply against the fact that Cal was effing with DA intentionally to spite the fans or whatever conspiracy y'all are on. He didn't, he played who he thought had the highest upside given a surplus of minutes. He does that every year w/ the freshmen.

If what you're posting is true, then why would Cal open his post game presser with "DA missed a screen."?

And proceeded to illiterate every single mistake DA made in the game while never saying anything about the other individual player's mistakes?

Why do you think Cal did that? Was he messing with DA or the fans? Maybe both?

Help me out here.

 

[gojvc]

Just wait until next year when the stands are about half full. ***** going to be hitting the fan then. Assuming all seats are open by then.
Lots of revenue has already been lost

I think the days when UK can charge $77 for nosebleed seats to games like Missouri are over regardless.

 

[cathouse_rivals216755]

It’s quite simple really. I don’t want to turn this into a thread about politics because I’m not political. I actually detest politics. But Cal is a liberal and Kentucky is the reddest state in the country. Fans always hated it but overlooked it when we were winning. Then the florida game happened and the season ended up in the crapper. Now it’s Katy bar the doors. I think this is the elephant in the room and anyone who says the loss of fans is just about Cals approach to the game and coaching/recruiting style is kidding themselves.

So are you contending that IF Cal and the team had not taken a knee at UF that BBN would have been ok with a 9-16 season and that **** show that Cal put on the floor this year?

And do you really think BBN fans really care more about Cal's politics over winning and losing basketball games?

I agree, the poor decision Cal made in Florida crossed a line with many UK fans, especially us older fans, but it had nothing to do with politics or race, it was about respect for what others have sacrificed for this nation, and for the many veterans who have been willing to offer the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom.

It is much the same narrative that some tried to put forth when it was obviously time for Tubby to move on. The same fanbase that embraced Tubby Smith as a NC coach, also voiced their displeasure when his program became stale, recruiting fell off, and it was obvious to all that the program was in decline and that Tubby was not the coach to get it back up to a championship level.

Again, it was about winning and losing with the BBN. Yet, once again, many, including media such as Dickie V tried to portray it as UK fans having a problem with race.

Total BS. Are there some racists in BBN? Probably. Does the majority of BBN put race ahead of winning basketball? Absolutely not.

There have been many on here and other sites concerned about the direction of the program since 2015 and some earlier than that. The 2013 team showed everyone what COULD HAPPEN ANY YEAR that Cal misses on a recruiting class.

Add to it Cal's war on the fans, arrogance in addressing fans concerns, lack of leadership, and being stubborn as a mule has turned a big portion of BBN off to Cal and his shtick.

Cal has lost the trust of BBN for multiple reason and it has nothing to do with race.

 

[cathouse_rivals216755]

You can repeatedly explain your position to some posters on here and they will literally continue to say you believe the exact opposite in other threads even tho you explained to it to
them verbatim. Then they will never reply back to you when you quote them telling them they’re incorrect in their assumptions

it’s like -

“I like waffles and pancakes equally”

“He says he loves pancakes and hates waffles!”

“No really, I like them both equally.”

“He said he hates waffles and loves pancakes!”

It's because your response doesn't fit THEIR narrative.
Sound familiar?

 

[nickhorvathsuxazz]

Total BS. Are there some racists BBN? Probably. Does the majority of BBN put race ahead of winning basketball? Absolutely not.

There have been many on here and other sites concerned about the direction of the program since 2015 and some earlier than that. The 2013 team showed everyone what COULD HAPPEN ANY YEAR that Cal misses on a recruiting class.

Add to it Cal's war on the fans, arrogance in addressing fans concerns, lack of leadership, and being stubborn as a mule has turned a big portion of BBN off to Cal and his shtick.

Cal has lost the trust of BBN for multiple reason and it has nothing to do with race.

You couldn't find a single, solitary member of BBN who would put race ahead of winning. You won't find a single white fan who'd rather lose w/ a team full of white players instead of win w/ a team full of black players, and conversely, not a single black fan would rather lose w/ a team full of black players vs. win with a team full of white players.

The whole deal of trying to interject race into the equation is ludicrous. If you're coaching UK, it's simple: win and we're with you...lose and you get to feel the heat. Period.

Players: if you play w/ fire, passion and pride in the name on front of the uniform, you're beloved regardless of whether your w/l record is less than stellar, or you fall short of the prize. Maximum effort, that's all we ask from the players. It's up to the coach to mold that effort into a winning team.